Questions from a pipe smoker

[Hotrootsoup]

Hello all. I've been smoking a pipe for the last two weeks, and while I am far from addicted, I have realized that I love nicotine. It makes me less anxious, and more motivated. The only problem is the delivery system. As much as I enjoy my pipe, I do not like the health risks, or the fact that I have to brush my teeth every smoke (I split up each bowl into ~4 sessions), so I have decided to check out e-cigs. I know there are patches and the like, but I love smoke. I love blowing rings, and blowing it out my nose, watching it float away, etc. Anyway, I have a few questions about the switch.

1.) I know that pipe/cigar smoking is less addictive because you don't inhale. It's absorbed through the mouth and results in a lower peak nicotine level. Does this method still work fine with e-cigs? Any reason it wouldn't, like faster absorption rates?

2.) I want to get the nicotine / time levels right. This involves question #1. Assuming I am not inhaling into my throat, and I want about 20-30 min of smoke a day, what level of nicotine liquid should I go for? Basically I would like to smoke a lot, but never get more than 1 pipe bowl of nicotine per day.

Thanks in advance.

 

[klynnn]

Welcome to ECF. I believe there are e-pipes also. Epipemods.com if you want to check them out.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

There are also pipe tobacco flavored juices.

 

[bigdaddybrink1]

There are e-pipes and e-cigars. Plus many vendors have cigar flavors....cant think of vendor right now, plus im on my phone, but try googling it.....

 

[JazzyTech]

Hello all. I've been smoking a pipe for the last two weeks, and while I am far from addicted, I have realized that I love nicotine. It makes me less anxious, and more motivated. The only problem is the delivery system. As much as I enjoy my pipe, I do not like the health risks, or the fact that I have to brush my teeth every smoke (I split up each bowl into ~4 sessions), so I have decided to check out e-cigs. I know there are patches and the like, but I love smoke. I love blowing rings, and blowing it out my nose, watching it float away, etc. Anyway, I have a few questions about the switch.

1.) I know that pipe/cigar smoking is less addictive because you don't inhale. It's absorbed through the mouth and results in a lower peak nicotine level. Does this method still work fine with e-cigs? Any reason it wouldn't, like faster absorption rates?

2.) I want to get the nicotine / time levels right. This involves question #1. Assuming I am not inhaling into my throat, and I want about 20-30 min of smoke a day, what level of nicotine liquid should I go for? Basically I would like to smoke a lot, but never get more than 1 pipe bowl of nicotine per day.

Thanks in advance.

My father smoked pipes and cigars for years along with cigarettes. He's been smoke free thanks to e-cigs. And Yes, vaping is very much like pipe smoking, except you can go above and well beyond the flavors that are found in pipe tobacco. As for getting an oral nicotine hit, I can tell you it's right up there with pipes and cigars. The best thing is you won't stink like smoke
As for the nicotine, less is more. Since you are not addicted, this is certainly no time to become so in my opinion. Nicotine is a poison, albeit a widespread accepted one. I'm working my way down, and you up?
The intake levels of vaping are not as efficient as smoke so nic levels tend to be higher with vaping. I'd suggest you buy a few small samplers with varied nic levels to try. Above all, remember that the Nicotine may not make itself apparent in your system (compared to cigarettes) and you can get pretty sick from too much. Caution is certainly advised.

Bottom line: There is no(yet) reliable data concerning nicotine intake. Vaping is still very new. There is a general consensus that vaping doesn't deliver nicotine(10 micron) as efficient as smoke(1 micron).

 

[JazzyTech]

Also: the lower ohm (1.8) coils tend to give a hotter vape more like the heat of cigar/pipe smoke.

 

[ironbytes]

Welcome Hotroot. To answer question one I believe it is more like smoking so you would have to inhale into the lungs. As for question 2 I would start with smaller bottles and find what work good for you. I was lucky. I started at 12 mg and it was perfect for me. It seems alot of people I know start at 12-16 mg and adjust from there but that is just my experience

 

[Hotrootsoup]

I should have mentioned, I'm not specifically looking for an e-pipe or pipe flavored anything ,etc.

So it seems there isn't too much data on nicotine levels. That's a shame =/

The problem is I know exactly how much I like smoking when it comes to pipes (1 bowl a day) but I have no idea how that translates over. I don't even know what the safe limits are. I assume low-nicotine content would be good? Are there charts of cigarette - e-cig cartridge levels? I assume a pipe bowl would hold about 4-5 cigs worth.

 

[01max]

jazz carto pipe is another vendor i here good things about, thinking of getting one myself, they offer carto or tank versions. you can youtube it

 

[JazzyTech]

Most references are for heavy smokers and that's usually 24-32mg levels. A typical pack a day smoker is about 18mg. I don't remember much beyond that, but you may have luck doing some searches here. There are a lot of helpful people, and I'm sure you're not the first to ask this question.

 

[Los Marauder]

Hotrootsoup- As to nic % in your juice, as you are not addicted, and want to vape quite a bit, get a realy low mg of nic. Like 5mg. You will definately be able to tell if you have vaped to much, as you will get dizzy arer nausiated. Also if you keep mg low you will likely stay un- addicted. As to inhailing, you do not need to inhale vapor for the nic. I used to smoke stoggies, and the cross over style worked just the same. If you want something that looks like a pipe, post another question for what pipe like vaping devices people like most. If you just want any old thing that vapes, and vapes well, I suggest you try Echo's, or K Go's. Both work great, and for the price rock. I myself vape Echo's. No buttons, great cartomizers, flawless proformance, and last for a couple years. You can also order a Kuwako from Janty, that is a pipe bowl that will slip right on the end of your Echo and visualy make your set up look just like a pipe. Its about $15.00 if I remember right. Check out the "eGo/Echo Kuwako Thead" here on ECF. Good luck

 

[Langdell]

Well, well, well, a thread maybe I can contribute to. I'm a longtime pipe smoker. I don't intend to quit smoking a real pipe, but I looked into vaping to (1) reduce my smoking (as of a few years ago, I had gotten to the point where I smoked constantly when at home or driving and several times throughout the workday) and (2) enjoy similar pleasure where smoking is not permitted. When I first tried vaping a few years ago, there were a couple of e-pipe models available. I tried both, and they proved unsatisfactory, and I gave up vaping at the time. Just got back into vaping after seeing better technology is now available--and I do mean "just", like less than two weeks ago, so I'm a newbie all over again.

Anyway, the vaping device I suggest you look into first is the Jazz Cartopipe, which is made and sold by forum member romaniac. (I would link to his site but am not sure if that's permissible. If you Google it you'll find it right away.) I have only had mine a couple days, but so far I am extremely satisfied and see no reason this pipe won't last and provide a good experience for a long time. It's a beautifully designed and crafted device. So far it works very well, and it gives a truly satisfying vaping experience that's very close to smoking a real pipe--at least close enough that this veteran pipe smoker finds it very satisfying. I have also been tempted by the epipemods pipes and may yet order one to try, but I haven't yet so can't say anything more about them. (One reason I went with the Jazz first is that, to this newbie, the Jazz website was a little less confusing about what all you needed to get in addition to the pipe itself to make it work.)

With the Jazz and also other gaping devices I've tried, I have followed similar habits to my pipe smoking, i.e., not inhaling the "smoke." And that has worked fine for me; I feel like I'm still getting the same type of nicotine hit as with a real pipe, which is more of a steady, consistent low-level hit than a cigarette smoker inhaling a blast into the lungs. I have, however, stuck mostly with the higher nicotine smoke juices to help make sure of getting satisfactory nic absorption levels.

On the subject of pipe smoking itself, I'm not going to say it's "safe," but my research and personal experience do suggest it's "reduced harm" compared to cigarette smoking. This is anecdotal and a sample of one obviously, but after years of pipe smoking I've had doctors and nurses who normally equate "smoker" with cigarette smoker comment on how my overall health, heart and lung function, appearance, etc. are surprising for someone who has been a "smoker" for so long. So take that for what it's worth. You do get hooked on the nicotine, but I think it's a more gradual thing than with a cigarette habit. And there's less in the way of highs and lows--like I said above, it's more of a steady, low level absorption--rather than that quick, 5-minute, high level hit the cigarette smoker seeks, a habitual pipe smoker will be more apt to want to "sip" on nicotine throughout the day, if you will.

Hope that's helpful.

 

[Hotrootsoup]

Thank you, that was extremely helpful =)

I know it's reduced harm, but there is still some danger to it.

I don't really care about it looking like a pipe. Honestly I'd prefer cigarette shape so I don't get stopped by police for assuming I'm smoking weed. Also more portable, etc.

Interesting that you pick high nicotine juice. How much do you smoke? I plan on maybe 30 min a day. Could you explain what the comparison has been like? How does the amount of time / juice nicotine level match up with say one pipe bowl?

 

[JazzyTech]

Well, well, well, a thread maybe I can contribute to. I'm a longtime pipe smoker. I don't intend to quit smoking a real pipe, but I looked into vaping to (1) reduce my smoking (as of a few years ago, I had gotten to the point where I smoked constantly when at home or driving and several times throughout the workday) and (2) enjoy similar pleasure where smoking is not permitted. When I first tried vaping a few years ago, there were a couple of e-pipe models available. I tried both, and they proved unsatisfactory, and I gave up vaping at the time. Just got back into vaping after seeing better technology is now available--and I do mean "just", like less than two weeks ago, so I'm a newbie all over again.

Anyway, the vaping device I suggest you look into first is the Jazz Cartopipe, which is made and sold by forum member romaniac. (I would link to his site but am not sure if that's permissible. If you Google it you'll find it right away.) I have only had mine a couple days, but so far I am extremely satisfied and see no reason this pipe won't last and provide a good experience for a long time. It's a beautifully designed and crafted device. So far it works very well, and it gives a truly satisfying vaping experience that's very close to smoking a real pipe--at least close enough that this veteran pipe smoker finds it very satisfying. I have also been tempted by the epipemods pipes and may yet order one to try, but I haven't yet so can't say anything more about them. (One reason I went with the Jazz first is that, to this newbie, the Jazz website was a little less confusing about what all you needed to get in addition to the pipe itself to make it work.)

With the Jazz and also other gaping devices I've tried, I have followed similar habits to my pipe smoking, i.e., not inhaling the "smoke." And that has worked fine for me; I feel like I'm still getting the same type of nicotine hit as with a real pipe, which is more of a steady, consistent low-level hit than a cigarette smoker inhaling a blast into the lungs. I have, however, stuck mostly with the higher nicotine smoke juices to help make sure of getting satisfactory nic absorption levels.

On the subject of pipe smoking itself, I'm not going to say it's "safe," but my research and personal experience do suggest it's "reduced harm" compared to cigarette smoking. This is anecdotal and a sample of one obviously, but after years of pipe smoking I've had doctors and nurses who normally equate "smoker" with cigarette smoker comment on how my overall health, heart and lung function, appearance, etc. are surprising for someone who has been a "smoker" for so long. So take that for what it's worth. You do get hooked on the nicotine, but I think it's a more gradual thing than with a cigarette habit. And there's less in the way of highs and lows--like I said above, it's more of a steady, low level absorption--rather than that quick, 5-minute, high level hit the cigarette smoker seeks, a habitual pipe smoker will be more apt to want to "sip" on nicotine throughout the day, if you will.

Hope that's helpful.

Whew! Man I'm glad you showed up... I was running outta options Great info from a real pipe smoker, not hear say

 

[jimwantstoquit]

Can you please clarify something for me. You said you've only been smoking a pipe for 2 weeks. Are you a past cigarette smoker? Or until 2 weeks ago, have you never smoked tobacco ever?

 

[Langdell]

Thank you, that was extremely helpful =)

I know it's reduced harm, but there is still some danger to it.

I don't really care about it looking like a pipe. Honestly I'd prefer cigarette shape so I don't get stopped by police for assuming I'm smoking weed. Also more portable, etc.

Interesting that you pick high nicotine juice. How much do you smoke? I plan on maybe 30 min a day. Could you explain what the comparison has been like? How does the amount of time / juice nicotine level match up with say one pipe bowl?

Well, to be honest, it's too early for me to be able to say too much about your questions since I've literally only been back to vaping for a matter of days and just got the pipe device a couple days ago, so my vaping habits aren't well established yet. (And what you're saying about you not needing a device that looks like a pipe makes sense in your situation as not a veteran pipe smoker to start with. In mine, it was more the feel I was looking for--I'm used to holding the pipe bowl, etc., and with cig-type vaping devices constantly missed that. I'll mention, however, that in all my many years of smoking a tobacco pipe I've never once had a cop stop me for suspicion of smoking anything else. So I wouldn't be concerned about that.)

On the hig nic juice, I went with that on the idea that it's better for ensuring absorption of nic through mouth membranes, but I don't know if that's really the case, just my own idea. I also use snus, which I started shortly before the first time I tried vaping. I stuck with the snus and used it to reduce my pipe smoking, so for a few years my habit had been that I'm either smoking or have snus in my mouth most of my waking hours. So I'm just now starting to work the vaping into that routine. The past couple days I'd say I've replaced at least a couple hours of smoking or snusing with vaping on the Jazz pipe throughout the day. Whereas a pipeful of a pretty typical sized pipe can give a half hour smoke more or less, a vaping device should give at least a few hours of vaping per battery charge/liquid fill. So one thing that makes the epipe somewhat more convenient is how you can just puff on it for a few minutes and set it aside and come back to it later if desired.

 

[Langdell]

Whew! Man I'm glad you showed up... I was running outta options Great info from a real pipe smoker, not hear say

Happy to help.

 

[Hotrootsoup]

Thanks for the info =)

I'll probably just start with something fairly mild and see how it goes.

 

[RosaJ]

Start at the bottom, 3-6mg, and go from there. I'm currently sampling cigar/tobacco flavors from Spring Vapors Black Label line. Excellent mixes, favorite so far is the Honey Flue Cured and their regular RY4. Oh, and their Creamy Peanut Butter and B&M and...

I also like fruit flavors so I'll order some of those from them. It's the first time I can vape pg without any allergic reaction. Nik is an ejuice wizard LOL.