Raw nic juice is raw

[tuggyman]

Hi,
I have been purchasing UK and HK readymix juices @24mg, and no major problems (other than relating to switching ie loss of taste and bleeding/receeding gums - ect.) i put these down to the process of 'giving up'.
However, i have recently moved on from ready made flavoured liquid to DIY, (stocking up here in UK in the logical (totally un-logical) event of ban), after research i found the cheapest unflavored liquid to comes from the US, and purchased 3 litres @24mg and 1litre@100mg (7years worth with correct storage).
The 24mg @PG75, VG25 is strong. I vaped it naked - the roof of mouth was very tender i felt dizzy (after ~2 cigs) - and you can kind of taste the nic - it was far-far stronger than any ready mix i had previosly purchased.
So I cut 24mg raw nic 50 percent with 75/25 - effects not so bad bit still STRONG, same for the next cut 50 percent again.
After a lot of attempts i settled on 15% of the original 24mg raw juice mixed with VG/PG.
.... whats gone wrong here? 24mg should mix with flavours straight out of bottle.
Is US Nic far stronger than UK + HK mixed juice - or am i doing something wrong?
thanks
tuggyman

 

[SantanzChild]

You sure you didn't mix your 24/100 bottles up? Might want to test it.

 

[tuggyman]

No, I tripple checked, against lable (customised for UK customs), and the colour, the 100mg was pinky/grey the 24mg was clear

 

[tuggyman]

I'm going to check another bottle of 24mg Nic.
be back shortly.

 

[cudaman68]

that does seem weird I started at 24mg and I'm dropping to 18mg now and never had that problem. did you shake the bottle good?

 

[Faylool]

Nicotine test time

 

[tuggyman]

ok - i shaked both 1 litre 24mg up good, both have the same 'firery' nicoteen taste.
i'm no stranger to mr Nicoteen after smoking for 30+ years at +50 cigs per day, but both raw nic sampled taste the same as original post describes.
OK i agree, nic needs to be quantified, to prove i do not have a (sensitive) mouth.
how best to do this gents?

 

[tuggyman]

i'm not unduly angry if this does prove to be incorrect, i will cut it and give/sell to friends, what does p i s s me of is i bought lot of protection for 100mg of nic ie gloves, glass mixing bottles, googles, etc. for mixing this (stuff), to already mixing and not knowing!

or maybe, i have a (sensitive) mouth which reacts to USA nic. lol

 

[sailense]

Raw nicotine is always going to hit really hard because flavorings mask a lot of the hit, menthol the most. Try mixing with a flavor and see how it tastes. I think you'll notice a difference versus just straight nicotine.

 

[tuggyman]

Thanks For reply
The only reason i tried neat nic was because every mix i made be it banana cream or strawberry etc resulted in a burning Mouth and dizzyness and sweats (1/2 hour).I can disount flavors and diloution - This was because i mixed neat 75PG 25 VG and added exactly the same flavour to elimate flavour from the equation - this resulted in a smooth non argressive experience.
Also i vaped neat PG +VG to elminate these also - no adverse effects.
I'm a Electronic Engineer and well tested at analytical problems.

 

[sailense]

Ah, I see now. Mind sharing your exact ratios in ml? Maybe there's something with that.

 

[Mad Scientist]

... i found the cheapest unflavored liquid ....

I think this might be the issue. Where did you get the stuff? Some vendors sell wildly variable nic % and have no clue how to ensure that what's on the label is what's in the bottle. Nic base is inexpensive enough generally that it's worth it to only buy from known reputable vendors.

 

[tuggyman]

Well i mixed base 24 nic - to lots of attempts for roughly 5% flavours (awaiting drip-atomizer from Fast-tech to elimate multiple tests with clearomizers)
in ml - example - strawbery cream- 30ml total - required stength18mg
Nic @24% - 22.5ml
PG/VG @75/25- 6ml
Dilution 0mg
flavour 1.5ml
flavour - 1.5ml (TFA - strawberry cream)

 

[tuggyman]

when i say cheapest, i really did my homework(2 weeks).
The cheapest reputable company that exports to UK, and has a very good rep from this forum.
i do no wish to name them, in case i'm incorrect in my assertions.

 

[YKruss]

Who is the vendor?

 

[tuggyman]

Look, I've been given up for 2 month, this is all new to me and i could be full of (stuff) regarding this issue, iam well read in this forum and really understand all the mechanics of e-smoking.
How ever it is not my wish to point a finger at any company at this point, all i want to know is it possible for neat nic to be incorrectly apportioned.
If this case is in my favour i will reguard as a bonus and adjust personal protection accordingly. Oh And rub my hands together with glee.
My only worry the is said 1 litre @100ml pinkish/greyish liquid as described in first post.
if anyone is willing i will send 2x 30 ml to test for nic content - preferably UK based. please.
many thanks

 

[classwife]

Please, do not evade the forum censors, this is a family and work safe forum - thank you

 

[tuggyman]

Please, do not evade the forum censors, this is a family and work safe forum - thank you

I'm sorry but i disagree, this forum is surely for 18+ i do appreciate swearing can be a problem, but in a adult world, i am fed up of being censored by liberal thinking people. The langage is an extension of our personalities, and used correctly can be expessive and brilliant.
But i will reframe in future, maybe if appropriate, maybe.
Thanks

After re-reading and sobering up re-reading maybe censorship is not such a bad thing (in this case ONLY) lol

 

[Mad Scientist]

... all i want to know is it possible for neat nic to be incorrectly apportioned. ...

Yes.

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[Crash Moses]

I think it would be a good idea to test your base so you know exactly what strength it is.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-suppliers-forum/240767-diy-nicotine-test-kit.html