Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[CbrVapeRR]

Not much in this post that isn't already known, but felt like sharing!

I ordered a new rba head for my Delta II since I couldn't get the chimney apart, and ended up scratching it up and seeing what looked like brass underneath so decided better safe than sorry and chucked the old one. The new one came pre-installed with a cotton wicked coil. I decided to go ahead and use that first. I got *maybe* 15ml through it before it started tasting gnarly(er).

Re-wicked this morning with Sally's and my DIY Green Apple Menthol is so much more apple and menthol. And I'm actually getting a bit of a nic rush from it, which I definitely was not getting using the cotton.

I think I might have finally found part of my issue with wicking. Previously I had been pushing the tails way back from the juice channels to prevent clogging them up. However the wick that was preinstalled with the rba head was right over the channels, I couldn't even see them down there. When I re-wicked I let the tails fall right at the edge of the deck so they're covering the channels, but not going into them. Haven't gone very hard at it yet, but so far so good!

For reference, the coil is reading at 1.1 and I'm going at it with 5.8v (~30.5W). I used ~1/2 the width of Sally's and got a nice squeak as I pulled through, no muted taste to start.

Three cheers for Rayon!

Thanks for sharing

 

[JeremyR]

Not much in this post that isn't already known, but felt like sharing!

I ordered a new RBA head for my Delta II since I couldn't get the chimney apart, and ended up scratching it up and seeing what looked like brass underneath so decided better safe than sorry and chucked the old one. The new one came pre-installed with a cotton wicked coil. I decided to go ahead and use that first. I got *maybe* 15ml through it before it started tasting gnarly(er).

Re-wicked this morning with Sally's and my DIY Green Apple Menthol is so much more apple and menthol. And I'm actually getting a bit of a nic rush from it, which I definitely was not getting using the cotton.

I think I might have finally found part of my issue with wicking. Previously I had been pushing the tails way back from the juice channels to prevent clogging them up. However the wick that was preinstalled with the RBA head was right over the channels, I couldn't even see them down there. When I re-wicked I let the tails fall right at the edge of the deck so they're covering the channels, but not going into them. Haven't gone very hard at it yet, but so far so good!

For reference, the coil is reading at 1.1 and I'm going at it with 5.8v (~30.5W). I used ~1/2 the width of Sally's and got a nice squeak as I pulled through, no muted taste to start.

Three cheers for Rayon!

Already know by us.... but everyday there is a new person... So we can't repeat or share our stories enough.

Yeah it's the little things that really can make a big difference.

 

[Kingboomer]

@jks89 - Yup we like testimonials! Oh and would you care to share your apple menthol recipe? I DIY as well and that one sounds pretty tasty!


-Kingboomer

 

[TrollDragon]

Found a great way to wick the Taifun GSII this morning with Rayon.

Instead of using the PTFE Tubes or Mesh Straws all I did was split the wick in half, trim the bottom tails to just sit in the juice well then pull the other half up through the feed holes. Trimmed quite close and spread flat. Juiced up and working perfectly without a dry hit or leak.

Pull the other half of the wick through these holes and trim.

The only issue will be if you need to get at the coil, you will have to rewick afterwards.

 

[jks89]

@jks89 - Yup we like testimonials! Oh and would you care to share your apple menthol recipe? I DIY as well and that one sounds pretty tasty!


-Kingboomer

For this batch I used 5% Hangsen Apple, 5% TFA Granny Smith Apple, 5% Mad Vapes Menthol, 1% ECigExpress Sweetener. 40/60 PG/VG mix. The TFA GSA is a little odd, so I'm gonna be looking around for a different brand when this one runs out. The menthol was pretty strong for me, so I'm gonna drop that down to 2.5% on the next batch. This one is definitely more of a Menthol Apple than an Apple Menthol with the 5%.

 

[CbrVapeRR]

Oh I mis read...

 

[Chris863]

Went to Sally's today and picked up a box of Rayon! They only had the larger sizes the 3lb box and the 500 ft. I ended up going with the smaller of the two in the 500 ft box and man this stuff will last a very long time and for 15 bucks it is significantly cheaper than the Japanese Cottons.

Hopefully Rayon doesnt have any sort of expiration or shelf life and it will keep for many months and years to come as I got more than I know what to do with!

Wondering on my first wicking attempt do I just cut a small piece twist one end and do it like the Japanese Cotton? Im wicking an Orchid v6 and a Billow v1.

OK after reading the first post of this thread I realize Rayon is completely different than cotton, going to have to relearn how to wick. So from what I gather the basics are that the tails need to be very thin and the middle of the Rayon at the heart of the coil as thick as possible.... interesting, this will definitely be fun really looking forward to a cleaner vaping experience

 

[PaulBHC]

No need to cut it. It pulls apart real easy. Don't worry about wasting any, you have two lifetime supplies. Wash your hands first then pull out a few inches from the roll and yank it off. Play around with it. Pull some small pieces off the and roll them between your palms. Chew a piece to see it you get any taste.

Generally you spread out the piece from the box and pull off a width a couple of inches long. I roll it with my palms, wet one end with my mouth, twist the tip and trim with scissors. Then feed it through a coil. Read the first post in this thread.

 

[Chris863]

Thanks Paul. Appreciate you explaining the basics. Really helpful.

One more thing im curious about, when prepping the wicks do I saturate them about the same amount of juice as I would with cotton? Just dont want to waste juice since the Rayon is much more absorbent.

 

[PaulBHC]

I don't wet the wick at all other than the tip to make a point. You want to be able to feel the resistance of the wick when it compresses as you pull it through the coil.

Rayon doesn't swell up like cotton when wet with water or juice.

 

[Eric Auer]

Anyone use Rayon in a Genesis?

Eric

 

[CbrVapeRR]

Thanks Paul. Appreciate you explaining the basics. Really helpful.

One more thing im curious about, when prepping the wicks do I saturate them about the same amount of juice as I would with cotton? Just dont want to waste juice since the Rayon is much more absorbent.

I make sure and saturate after I've trimmed it up.

 

[PaulBHC]

I do AGA T2 and RSST. I make the coil smaller diameter than the deck hole. Vertical coil. I get the wick started with a wet point down the coil and into the deck. Then I use a paper clip to push the wick down into the tank. I have to press the wick against the deck hole wall with the paper clip and then push the wick down the wall. Like scraping the last of the peanut butter off the jar. Tricky to perfect the technique but worth it.

 

[TrollDragon]

Anyone use Rayon in a Genesis?

Eric

I am from the school of #NoCottonInMyGenny

 

[Chris863]

Wow alot of different methods here. Paul your techniques sounds really innovative I dont think I can get that advanced first time. Im pretty sure I dont have a vertical coil anyway with the Orchid V6 anyway they lay horizontally. I do have a Cthuhlu V2 coming soon and that tank is more versatile so perhaps get into more complicated wicking down the road.

But CbrVapeRR so your saying after I pull the coils through then go ahead and saturate them? Thats what I normally do, I wouldnt prewet a wick and try to put it through the coil.

So would I be ok after the wicks are trimmed and the proper size, securely pulled through the coils putting liquid over the rayon at that point, saturating the wicks like you normally would with cotton?

Guess after my first try if I get some dry hits then I didnt do a good job. But if it hits like a champ with good flavor nice and clean than Ive done well

 

[CbrVapeRR]

Wow alot of different methods here. Paul your techniques sounds really innovative I dont think I can get that advanced first time. Im pretty sure I dont have a vertical coil anyway with the Orchid V6 anyway they lay horizontally. I do have a Cthuhlu V2 coming soon and that tank is more versatile so perhaps get into more complicated wicking down the road.

But CbrVapeRR so your saying after I pull the coils through then go ahead and saturate them? Thats what I normally do, I wouldnt prewet a wick and try to put it through the coil.

So would I be ok after the wicks are trimmed and the proper size, securely pulled through the coils putting liquid over the rayon at that point, saturating the wicks like you normally would with cotton?

Guess after my first try if I get some dry hits then I didnt do a good job. But if it hits like a champ with good flavor nice and clean than Ive done well

Chris, yes I put quite a bit of juice right at the coil and soak the tails good so it's good and primed. I had an orchid v4 and its how I did it in that also. Make sure your tails are pretty thin and it should work killer.

 

[PaulBHC]

Sorry Chris that last post was for Eric and how to wick a genesis device.

 

[jks89]

Wow alot of different methods here. Paul your techniques sounds really innovative I dont think I can get that advanced first time. Im pretty sure I dont have a vertical coil anyway with the Orchid V6 anyway they lay horizontally. I do have a Cthuhlu V2 coming soon and that tank is more versatile so perhaps get into more complicated wicking down the road.

But CbrVapeRR so your saying after I pull the coils through then go ahead and saturate them? Thats what I normally do, I wouldnt prewet a wick and try to put it through the coil.

So would I be ok after the wicks are trimmed and the proper size, securely pulled through the coils putting liquid over the rayon at that point, saturating the wicks like you normally would with cotton?

Guess after my first try if I get some dry hits then I didnt do a good job. But if it hits like a champ with good flavor nice and clean than Ive done well

If you do get dry hits, make sure you do some troubleshooting before pulling the wick. One mistake I've made before is thinking that the muted/off taste after the initial wicking is a problem. It's possible it's just a little over density, so make sure to give it a little time before you decide it's bad as that taste will go away. The time it takes to go away will depend on how much over density you went.

As you probably read in the first post(s) you want to check density and tails. Put a little pressure on the wick at the edge of the coil and see if you have any gap between the coil. If so, you want to use a bit more. With the tails, check and see if you have discoloration. If that's the case, your tails are too thick.

Really the best way to figure it out is just get down and dirty and wick that thing!

 

[JeremyR]

Went to Sally's today and picked up a box of Rayon! They only had the larger sizes the 3lb box and the 500 ft. I ended up going with the smaller of the two in the 500 ft box and man this stuff will last a very long time and for 15 bucks it is significantly cheaper than the Japanese Cottons.

Hopefully Rayon doesnt have any sort of expiration or shelf life and it will keep for many months and years to come as I got more than I know what to do with!

Wondering on my first wicking attempt do I just cut a small piece twist one end and do it like the Japanese Cotton? Im wicking an Orchid v6 and a Billow v1.

OK after reading the first post of this thread I realize Rayon is completely different than cotton, going to have to relearn how to wick. So from what I gather the basics are that the tails need to be very thin and the middle of the Rayon at the heart of the coil as thick as possible.... interesting, this will definitely be fun really looking forward to a cleaner vaping experience

Welcome Chris!

Shelf life is indefinate, you figure you've got your money's worth the first year, the rest is a bonus.

You've got a lot of great help here already, and on point answers.

One thing, Rayon takes A Lot of juice to be fully primed. Give it 3-5 min to make sure it won't take anymore juice. My fev Wick takes about 30 drops to prime and I can vape it an hour just off that first prime!

A little muted off taste at first is ok and better than being too loose which will cause the coil to start to dry. Ideally the muted taste is done by the end of that initial prime or less. There is a density that's good flavor right away but its hard to nail that right away. Usually on first attempt if it tastes perfect it could end up being too small in the coil. Its a fine line.

On Tails you want to focus mainly on the portion of the Wick that bends, either down or to the side. Its almost like a relief cut. If your Wick is really short less thinning is needed maybe not at all on certain applications.

Always Inspect the deck, coloring can show problems and push on the wick at edge of coil to make sure it remains in full contact, no gap at the edge.

Listen for the squeak or feel the vibration pulling the Wick through, this is the sign your in range on density, I usually just go a just tad bit more to make sure.

Give it a try, the Rayon will let you know what's up we can Interpret its language for you.

 

[JeremyR]

How to get enough density through the coil.

On pulling the Wick through the coil when it gets snug and seems tight, the trick I use is to gab both sides near the coil and pull, like your trying to pull it apart. This tightens the fibers. Like taking a bunch of strings bundled up at the ends, they will be loose in the middle, but when you pull both ends the strings come tight together. Same concept, this helps you get the Wick through easier and pre compresses it.

The double insertion method may be easier for you but its easy to go over board.

My videos aren't great but they show these pulling and stretching methods I use, and how I confirm the squeak.