Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[TrollDragon]

Okay, finally hit the 100ml mark on my first set of Titanium coils. They were installed on Nov. 4th and the only maintenance I've had to do was I had a loose post screw that needed tightening. Other than that, it's just been 'add juice, swap battery, and vape'. I'm loving this low maintenance with temp control! I gotta admit, these coils and wicks are looking waaaay better than any of my other set-ups after a week of non-stop vaping!

Nice!

Is that a 0.2 ohm build of 26g on 2.5mm?
I might just have to try that with my SP. What temp do you have it running at?

 

[Kaezziel]

Nice!

Is that a 0.2 ohm build of 26g on 2.5mm?
I might just have to try that with my SP. What temp do you have it running at?

Yep, pretty close. My mandrel is 2.4mm, but yes. 10 wraps put me very close to 0.2 ohms. I originally had temp set at 300°F, but I've since bumped it to 350. Still set at 50 Watts though. Give it a shot, brother... it's been working well for me so far. I attached my previous post about this build in case you needed further clarification.

YAAAYYYY!!! My 26g Ti-1 wire came in last night. I finally got a chance to twist up a couple of coils, and I gotta say that I am absolutely loving life right now!
The coils are 2.4mm I.D., 10 wraps each (duals), total resistance is showing up as 0.21 ohms on the Invader. TC is set at 300°F, and running at 50W. Super quick to heat up and no burnt taste at all. I see what you guys/gals have been raving about now!
Anyway, this first pic is the fresh coil.
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This is with rayon wick after the first tank of juice.
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Juice is a DIY Peaches-N-Cream, 70vg/30pg, pretty sweet and a fairly heavy gunker. So far everything is looking promising, but I'll gladly accept any critiques from the audience!

 

[TrollDragon]

Yep, pretty close. My mandrel is 2.4mm, but yes. 10 wraps put me very close to 0.2 ohms. I originally had temp set at 300°F, but I've since bumped it to 350. Still set at 50 Watts though. Give it a shot, brother... it's been working well for me so far. I attached my previous post about this build in case you needed further clarification.

I had looked at those pics and glossed over it for some stupid reason not actually paying attention.

I pulled the SP apart this morning for a good cleaning and was pondering what to put in it. I really didn't want another dual 24g so I jut set it aside, well I know what I am building tonight!

My clone cuts smaller gauge wire bad, so I'll see if I have any post size screws that I can cut the heads off of and thread down into the holes to act as a base. That way the post screws can capture the 26g Ti instead of cut it.

I see you run thin tails right down into the juice channels, I'll try that as well since mine are normally just a sliver into the channels near the top.

Be just like having a new RTA, Thanks!

 

[Kaezziel]

No worries, bud. That's why I reposted for ya!

If you have a sharpening stone (for sharpening knives, I use mostly diamond stones) you can take the screw out of the post and smooth out the bottom of it on the stone. Work at it a little bit until it's slightly rounded all the way around and smooth on the bottom. That will help tremendously in not cutting your wires. I do that with ALL of my RBA screws. Sadly, it didn't help so much with the nickel wire... that stuff is just way too soft for my liking.

Yeah, I just seem to have better luck doing my tails that way. I thin them out pretty good, apply a little juice and then paste them down in the channels. Then I screw the chimney cap on and cut off the excess tail. I did the same thing with the Orchid... neither tank has ever leaked on me, and I'm able to get every last drop out of the tank. I haven't seen a need to try any other method yet, so I just keep doing it that way...

Good luck on the rebuild, brother... lemme know if you have any problems. I can always try to grab a few more pics from different angles if you need. Maybe someday I'll photo each step and just throw together a little Silver Play/Rayon tutorial... LOL!

 

[awsum140]

Troll, I stuff nickel wire into that over drill under the wire holes. It can be a little tedious and time consuming, but it works every time. The other thing is that I use a Dremel with a cutoff wheel as a grinding wheel to take the burr off the post screws and leave them nice and flat. At least that process only takes a few seconds. Oh yeah, hold the crew in forceps when grinding them, otherwise you'll over-buff your finger tips, LOL.

 

[Kaezziel]

Good idea, Awsum! Maybe I'll stuff some of my nickel wire into that hole also... at least then I'd have a use for it!

 

[TrollDragon]

Thanks guys!

I have a spool of Ni200 as well taking up space that will be put into play as hole filler.
I've buffed a finger or two with the Dremel before.

 

[awsum140]

Thanks guys!

I have a spool of Ni200 as well taking up space that will be put into play as hole filler.
I've buffed a finger or two with the Dremel before.

Me, too, and it smarts!

What I do with the wire, 30 gauge, is to double it up, put it through the hole, then tighten the screw until it squirms and is cut off. If it doesn't get cut off, just wiggle to break it. Rinse and repeat as necessary until there is no more squirm when the screw is tight. I can be slow and tedious, but I'm cheap and want to get rid of that nickel wire constructively.

 

[heliguy]

My first to wick jobs I made I thought I noticed a slight nutty taste to it and decided to use a little less Rayon. It was fine for a couple days then I started getting this burning on long pulls. Its kinda like a hot leg but 1000 times less intense. I just inspected my coils and it looks like 1 of the sides of 1 coil is drooping a little bit and not making full contact with with the last wrap. I must have used to little this time. It wasn't loose by any means. It was still pretty tight just not as jammed in there as my first two wick jobs. I guess rayon does really shrink because I had pretty fluffed out ends coming out of the coils when I made them.

Still trying to get the perfect amount of rayon. I was much closer with my first two attempts and was pretty happy with actually. Im going to rewick with more rayon again.

Is a nutty taste a sign of too much rayon? It wasnt that strong before just a hint that i noticed. Maybe I need to be somewhere in the middle.

 

[Kaezziel]

My first to wick jobs I made I thought I noticed a slight nutty taste to it and decided to use a little less Rayon. It was fine for a couple days then I started getting this burning on long pulls. Its kinda like a hot leg but 1000 times less intense. I just inspected my coils and it looks like 1 of the sides of 1 coil is drooping a little bit and not making full contact with with the last wrap. I must have used to little this time. It wasn't loose by any means. It was still pretty tight just not as jammed in there as my first two wick jobs. I guess rayon does really shrink because I had pretty fluffed out ends coming out of the coils when I made them.

Still trying to get the perfect amount of rayon. I was much closer with my first two attempts and was pretty happy with actually. Im going to rewick with more rayon again.

You might try just stuffing a small tuft of rayon into the side that is drooping. Use the tip of a needle and just pack a small bit into the end. Once it's wet it'll stick in place like it was born there (as long as you don't tug on it). Of course if that doesn't work, then you can always yank it all out and start over with a new wick... but it'd be worth a shot to see if that was enough to fix the problem.

 

[JeremyR]

My first to wick jobs I made I thought I noticed a slight nutty taste to it and decided to use a little less Rayon. It was fine for a couple days then I started getting this burning on long pulls. Its kinda like a hot leg but 1000 times less intense. I just inspected my coils and it looks like 1 of the sides of 1 coil is drooping a little bit and not making full contact with with the last wrap. I must have used to little this time. It wasn't loose by any means. It was still pretty tight just not as jammed in there as my first two wick jobs. I guess rayon does really shrink because I had pretty fluffed out ends coming out of the coils when I made them.

Still trying to get the perfect amount of rayon. I was much closer with my first two attempts and was pretty happy with actually. Im going to rewick with more rayon again.

Is a nutty taste a sign of too much rayon? It wasnt that strong before just a hint that i noticed. Maybe I need to be somewhere in the middle.

It is, but the extent is what matters. It sounds like the first ones were really good. Better to have a little off taste and know you have enough. The longer the muting lasts over the inital break in of a few vapes, the more you know you've gone over. But it can still work depending on circumstances.

Its not really that it shrinks but the wetness brings all the fibers together and aligns them while expelling all the air in between and around the fibers.

What probably happened was the Wick was light on that side of the coil. The side you were pulling to, its the thinnest usually. When you get to that point where its tight, hold both sides close and stretch, then pull one coil width through to get the density to the other side.

Or try the double wick method for a more even density.

 

[Landman]

My first to wick jobs I made I thought I noticed a slight nutty taste to it and decided to use a little less Rayon. It was fine for a couple days then I started getting this burning on long pulls. Its kinda like a hot leg but 1000 times less intense. I just inspected my coils and it looks like 1 of the sides of 1 coil is drooping a little bit and not making full contact with with the last wrap. I must have used to little this time. It wasn't loose by any means. It was still pretty tight just not as jammed in there as my first two wick jobs. I guess rayon does really shrink because I had pretty fluffed out ends coming out of the coils when I made them.

Still trying to get the perfect amount of rayon. I was much closer with my first two attempts and was pretty happy with actually. Im going to rewick with more rayon again.

Is a nutty taste a sign of too much rayon? It wasnt that strong before just a hint that i noticed. Maybe I need to be somewhere in the middle.

I had the same problem when I started using rayon. For me, it wasn't how thick it was in the coil, it was thinning the tails that had a direct effect on the off taste. I was thinning the tails only slightly more than I would with cotton and constantly had the nutty flavor. Sometimes it would go away in 10 or so drags, sometimes it took 1/2 a tank. I tried just using less rayon but had the burnt taste you described. I finally took a tightly packed coil and then thinned the tails way more than I thought would work and from the first drag, the flavor was spot on. It depends on the tank I'm using, but I generally thin out 60-80% of the wick tails and I've not had any issues since.

Edit: To clarify, I only have about 20-40% of wick left in the tails compared to what I started with.

 

[TrollDragon]

I didn't get a chance to fill the post holes so I was just careful, sorry for the phone pictures and janky looking coils.

I had 10 wraps then accidentally cut one so I ended up with 9 instead for 0.17 ohms. I didn't feel like cleaning more Ti so it can stay like this for now.

All wicked and trimmed with tails in the channel. Running on the iPV D2 with 35J @ 451F providing a very nice warm vape. I'll see how it runs tomorrow at work.

@Kaezziel

 

[Chris863]

Does really high VG juice really shine with rayon since its so absorbent?

Right now I have a mix of 65% VG 35% PG but curious to know if 90%-100% VG would really produce some wonderful clouds.


As for my progress with rayon Im vaping on my Billow V1 and seems on my 3rd attempt Ive gotten it the best. Just made the switch to 28G SS as well. But had to make some small 2mm diameter coils since the resistance is a little higher than I expected and wanted the coils to have enough wraps to be long enough to cover the air holes at least. So confused as to how I am supposed to use TC Mode for SS on my XCube II but thats a different matter entirely. For now in Wattage mode I have it at 15W and its really hitting me harder than my 24G Kanthal with Japanese cotton at 25W!


I'll have to try thinning the tails even more and as one poster said to think of the rayon as a tree with the heart in the center being the thickest and then the roots get thinner and thinner as you move to the outside.

 

[CbrVapeRR]

Does really high VG juice really shine with rayon since its so absorbent?

Right now I have a mix of 65% VG 35% PG but curious to know if 90%-100% VG would really produce some wonderful clouds.


As for my progress with rayon Im vaping on my Billow V1 and seems on my 3rd attempt Ive gotten it the best. Just made the switch to 28G SS as well. But had to make some small 2mm diameter coils since the resistance is a little higher than I expected and wanted the coils to have enough wraps to be long enough to cover the air holes at least. So confused as to how I am supposed to use TC Mode for SS on my XCube II but thats a different matter entirely. For now in Wattage mode I have it at 15W and its really hitting me harder than my 24G Kanthal with Japanese cotton at 25W!


I'll have to try thinning the tails even more and as one poster said to think of the rayon as a tree with the heart in the center being the thickest and then the roots get thinner and thinner as you move to the outside.

I don't use tc. So can't help there. But I do use max vg. With a billows v2. I get awesome flavor and clouds gilore lol. I run 2.5mm coils 26ga kanthol .5 ohmish. My air holes aren't always totally covered by the coil and it works well for me. I also trim my tails A LOT. Leaving a mass in the the coil. I just let the tails rest in the top wide section of the juice channel. But I have a billows v2... Keep playing and you will find the sweet spot!

 

[Kaezziel]

I didn't get a chance to fill the post holes so I was just careful, sorry for the phone pictures and janky looking coils.

I had 10 wraps then accidentally cut one so I ended up with 9 instead for 0.17 ohms. I didn't feel like cleaning more Ti so it can stay like this for now.

All wicked and trimmed with tails in the channel. Running on the iPV D2 with 35J @ 451F providing a very nice warm vape. I'll see how it runs tomorrow at work.

@Kaezziel

Looks good, Bro! You'll have to let me know whether or not having the tails in the channel that way are working for ya... Like I said, it's been good for me, but I haven't tried any other method. I'm pretty interested in a comparison, ya know?

 

[JeremyR]

Does really high VG juice really shine with rayon since its so absorbent?

Right now I have a mix of 65% VG 35% PG but curious to know if 90%-100% VG would really produce some wonderful clouds.


As for my progress with rayon Im vaping on my Billow V1 and seems on my 3rd attempt Ive gotten it the best. Just made the switch to 28G SS as well. But had to make some small 2mm diameter coils since the resistance is a little higher than I expected and wanted the coils to have enough wraps to be long enough to cover the air holes at least. So confused as to how I am supposed to use TC Mode for SS on my XCube II but thats a different matter entirely. For now in Wattage mode I have it at 15W and its really hitting me harder than my 24G Kanthal with Japanese cotton at 25W!


I'll have to try thinning the tails even more and as one poster said to think of the rayon as a tree with the heart in the center being the thickest and then the roots get thinner and thinner as you move to the outside.

I've never used anything but 100vg since the very first Rayon Wick.. Unless it's below freezing, then I add as little water as possible to keep it feeding from my tank. No problem dripping in sub zero with 100vg, just tanks don't like to feed that molasses below zero.

Being a full vg vaper made rayon that much more amazing than cotton.

 

[TrollDragon]

Looks good, Bro! You'll have to let me know whether or not having the tails in the channel that way are working for ya... Like I said, it's been good for me, but I haven't tried any other method. I'm pretty interested in a comparison, ya know?

Thanks Bro!
The tails just trimmed at the top of the juice channel has never given me a problem or dry hit so I doubt the tails in the channel will either. Those channels are huge and I think it would be quite the task to choke them off...
I was also quite impressed with the warmth of the vape coming off the TC build, and to be honest I didn't think the little D2 would ramp up the dual 26g that easily. You do know that if I end up loving the Silverplay in TC mode that I am going to use it more often, so I will have to get some more TFA flavors to make up a simple juice supply. I really wish that their Green Tea or Honey flavors didn't have that nasty cat urine after smell. I might just have to make up a simple Peach vape, I wonder what goes good with there Juicy Peach?

I really need to clean up and fill the wire holes. I'd like to rig up a bigger tank for it too, maybe a Kayfun nano and middle to the Aqua top section. Extending the chimney and keeping that 6mm bore would be the tricky part.

I'd love to have a V2, but $70 landed is just not in the cards...

 

[TrollDragon]

I see the Freaks have a V2 product line out now, Yarn (Silica Style), Wicks (Bacon Style) and Pads (KGD Style)...
The Yarn and Wicks are available on FT of all places.

 

[Kaezziel]

Thanks Bro!
The tails just trimmed at the top of the juice channel has never given me a problem or dry hit so I doubt the tails in the channel will either. Those channels are huge and I think it would be quite the task to choke them off...
I was also quite impressed with the warmth of the vape coming off the TC build, and to be honest I didn't think the little D2 would ramp up the dual 26g that easily. You do know that if I end up loving the Silverplay in TC mode that I am going to use it more often, so I will have to get some more TFA flavors to make up a simple juice supply. I really wish that their Green Tea or Honey flavors didn't have that nasty cat urine after smell. I might just have to make up a simple Peach vape, I wonder what goes good with there Juicy Peach?

I really need to clean up and fill the wire holes. I'd like to rig up a bigger tank for it too, maybe a Kayfun nano and middle to the Aqua top section. Extending the chimney and keeping that 6mm bore would be the tricky part.

I'd love to have a V2, but $70 landed is just not in the cards...

Yeah, I haven't managed to choke them either. And even with the Invader set to 350F, it's still a warm enough vape for me. Trust me, you're gonna end up loving it and using it a lot more often in TC mode. I've only picked up my mech/dripper combo once in the past week... it's been non-stop SP/Invader with TC.

A bigger tank would be nice, but I don't think I could handle it being any larger/longer than it already is... I'm too used to little RDAs, and the SP is huge by comparison already.

As for a DIY mix with TFA Juicy Peach... check my blog post: Kaz's recipes The Peaches-N-Cream is my ADV. I mix that stuff up in quart sized mason jars... feel free to tweak it to your liking, and if you come up with some awesome addition, then let me know! I'd love to improve on it if I can...

Oh, and yeah, I know what you mean. I used money from my juice budget to pick my V2 up... I did find a 10% off coupon code somewhere, though... that helped a little bit.