Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[JeremyR]

Thanks Owl,

After all the "Well you mean you didn't know that" comments from last night I was afraid to even mention it again. Thank you for not leaving me out on this tiny limb all alone. .
On last comment on Jeremy's power off while still maintaining air flow... "Easier said than done". It is hard as He11 to break old habits. It is driving me crazy because I keep forgetting to do it that way and I know it is the right way to do it. Ugh!

Sorry Holman the smilely face after that was supposed to take away the negative demeanor. I didn't mean to talk down to you i was just kidding it took me a year before I figured that out too!!!! you'll get it after a few days.. I don't want to belittle anyone that would go against the purpose of my membership to this forum. And after my placeholder joke I finished the post as intended.

Others were just playing on old school vaping tricks that today, in hind sight, are pretty hilarious to me.

 

[vampyrex13]

Loving the rayon so far. I just finished doing some taste tests between cotton and rayon and am definitely set on rayon as my regular wick material. Seems like I can run higher wattage without getting any hint burned taste as well.

 

[HolmanGT]

Sorry Holman the smilely face after that was supposed to take away the negative demeanor. I didn't mean to talk down to you i was just kidding it took me a year before I figured that out too!!!! you'll get it after a few days.. I don't want to belittle anyone that would go against the purpose of my membership to this forum. And after my placeholder joke I finished the post as intended.

Others were just playing on old school vaping tricks that today, in hind sight, are pretty hilarious to me.

Jeremy,

Absolutely no offense taken... Actually I was just playing with the group and you.

I didn't know about letting go of the button first it just never dawned on me and after you mentioned it I thought about it for a minute and came to the conclusion !!! Duh !!! It probably accounts for the baked on gung that I have always had build up on my coils.

 

[Marc411]

So far on my REO only I pick up the taste of the CC on the second day od use. I run a 1 ohm coil on the REO and load the coil as discribed getting it tight with a little squeak but the second day the taste gets funky.

Thoughts

 

[HolmanGT]

Loving the rayon so far. I just finished doing some taste tests between cotton and rayon and am definitely set on rayon as my regular wick material. Seems like I can run higher wattage without getting any hint burned taste as well.

vampyrex13,

"Seems like I can run higher wattage without getting any hint burned taste" That was something I noticed also and actually surprised me the most about the Rayon. I still have this concept in the back of my mind that this stuff is going to melt... Absolutely not true but it is amazing how old concepts continue to lurk around in the back your mind.

In fact I can and do run rayon at considerably higher temps than I ever did with cotton and the few times I tried that with silica I would just end up baking gunk onto the silica. The only thing I have been able to do to the rayon is very slightly scorch a tan spot under the coil.

 

[vampyrex13]

Yeah, I don't have any hint of burning on my rayon fibers compared to cotton. I was getting ready to increase my coil diameter from 2mm to 2.5mm because of the burnt taste at 27.5 watts, but with the rayon in there, I've had no issue.

 

[TheKiwi]

Watching PBusardo's review of organic cotton, Koh gen do, hemp and rayon!

So far in the wick test, in terms of wicking speed,
1) KGD
2) rayon
3) hemp
4) organic cotton.

Of course, the tests aren't particularly scientific and certainly not remotely close to be conclusice


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[HolmanGT]

So far on my REO only I pick up the taste of the CC on the second day od use. I run a 1 ohm coil on the REO and load the coil as discribed getting it tight with a little squeak but the second day the taste gets funky.

Thoughts

Marck,

That is really strange. I'll start with I don't have a clue what would cause that to happen. Actually I don't even know what Rayon tastes like. When that was a big topic I actually took about a one inch piece of Sally's CC and chewed it like bubblegum and mine had absolutely no flavor just kind of a crunchy texture.

Have you tried boiling (lightly of course) a small piece to use as a test wick and see if that cures the problem. I am really just guessing at things you might try to narrow down any possible causes.

 

[TheKiwi]

Burn test: pretty much equal.

Flavor test: both KGD and Rayon came up tops. "Tasted flavor only"

Juice change test: KGD "holds on to previous juice longer" while rayon "transitions faster"

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[TheKiwi]

OOH OOH JEREMY GETS A SHOUTOUT!

Well deserved of course. Look at you, you rock star


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[TheKiwi]

Performance degradation test after 3 days: the rayon tastes better than the Japanese cotton. The Japanese cotton has a little burnt taste

Side notes:

Both rayon and KGD wicking keeps up with chain vaping ridiculously well.

PBusardo mentioned something interesting: he found the vape to be smoother on the KGD, and the rayon to be a little "harsh"

Possibly increased throathit from rayon which most folks seem to have commented about


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[JeremyR]

So far on my REO only I pick up the taste of the CC on the second day od use. I run a 1 ohm coil on the REO and load the coil as discribed getting it tight with a little squeak but the second day the taste gets funky.

Thoughts

Have you pulled one out to see if your really burning it?

Usually on day two your getting coil dry burn, not rayon. The wick may have reduced in size, causing the coil to dry burn. This typical happens on day two or after a good amount of vaping. Sounds to me like you may need more rayon unless its a wicking problem. Kinked wick maybe causing it to feed slow

In the beginning I thought I was tasting the rayon on a dry hit and it wasn't rayon at all but a coil dry burn which tastes pretty funky. ...

What do you think is it really cc your tasting? It would taste a little woody/ nutty, or if it burnt up it tastes like a campfire kinda. It's made from wood cellulose. Juice burning on coil dry burn is a chemically metallic nasty burnt taste.

 

[TheKiwi]

Heh. GUNK TEST:

KGD left, rayon right.

Note that both coils are gunked up. But you can see that on the KGD, the gunk is considerably more such that it has creeped up and gunked up the cotton wick itself. For the rayon, gunking is found almost exclusively on the coil only.

After washing both wicks, he comments that the rayon wick was cleaner (less dark discoloration)

ETA: SORRY IF IT SEEMS LIKE IM SPAMMING THIS! Just thought a summary would be handy.


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[Rossum]

Phil has posted his 47 minute video wick review at Taste Your Juice | Can I Taste Your Juice?

I'm not too enamored with his VG wicking test. First off, nobody vapes anything quite as viscous as straight VG. Even "100% VG" liquids have some water in them, which reduces the viscosity a lot. Second, what difference does it make how quickly a DRY wick moves liquid? Don't we all prime our wicks?

The wicking test I would have done (and maybe will do) is to start with wicks pre-wetted with clear liquid and then see how fast they move colored liquid. Whether this would actually produce different results is unclear, but I'm confident it would be a more realistic test.

 

[TheKiwi]

I find it strange that none of those who have reviewed rayon made an effort to point out that while indeed chemicals are used to create rayon, these are washed off and for all intents and purposes can be considered absent from the end product. That alone is a huge point to make about rayon, no?

Like I said near the time when Jeremy first started this thread, I don't really care what's used in the manufacturing process, so long as the final product is "clean".


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[JeremyR]

Heh. GUNK TEST:

KGD left, rayon right.

Note that both coils are gunked up. But you can see that on the KGD, the gunk is considerably more such that it has creeped up and gunked up the cotton wick itself. For the rayon, gunking is found almost exclusively on the coil only.

After washing both wicks, he comments that the rayon wick was cleaner (less dark discoloration)

ETA: SORRY IF IT SEEMS LIKE IM SPAMMING THIS! Just thought a summary would be handy.


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FYI, thank you I very much appreciate your posts..

It's clear that he actually used too much rayon.( Well that pic is kinda blurry.)That's why it gunked.! May be too chunky on the right side. It wasn't angle trimmed.

This may be his first or second attempt at using rayon.

A little more time with it and I think he would be seeing even far better results.

Funny thing is it still outdid kgd

 

[JeremyR]

I find it strange that none of those who have reviewed rayon made an effort to point out that while indeed chemicals are used to create rayon, these are washed off and for all intents and purposes can be considered absent from the end product. That alone is a huge point to make about rayon, no?

Like I said near the time when Jeremy first started this thread, I don't really care what's used in the manufacturing process, so long as the final product is "clean".

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Yeah most of them have little knowledge of it.. Unfortunately I don't make video reviews or I would say that

I should find a way to make a full out video on rayon.. But I don't have the software or cameras to make it presentable.. Would need an substantial outline put together to cover all the aspects of the research.. Well see, in the mean time it's in print.

 

[Blind Owl]

The 'comfort factor' ramble near the end struck me as kind of silly. After all, he's been happily vaping so-called organic cotton (call me evil-minded, but I tend to be suspicious of all such claims), which as we know is bleached etc. etc. KGD may be pure as driven snow, but then so is medical-grade rayon.

To be fair, he did point out that beauty-salon CC isn't the only rayon game in town.

Nice to see all the gunk on his coils! Here I thought I was doing something wrong…

 

[awsum140]

The software, and the expense of good software, is what stops me too, Jeremy.

 

[JeremyR]

Loving the rayon so far. I just finished doing some taste tests between cotton and rayon and am definitely set on rayon as my regular wick material. Seems like I can run higher wattage without getting any hint burned taste as well.

This is great vampyrex! Glad to have you onboard.