Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Nick N]

JeremyR - Will do. Hundreds of feet of Kanthal and 499.95 feet of Cellucotton left. I like to tinker so I'll keep it. Most likely I will be progressing to mech mods and bigger batteries, lower ohms.

 

[cindycated]

Ya know what though? I'm still using Evods and Spinners (even worse than your stuff) with 1.8Ω single coils (32g, 6/5 wraps, 1/16") and it's working wonders for me. I haven't even had to dial up the Spinner. I'm not a cloud chaser though - just need my flavor fix. I have a crazy sweet tooth. When I was using yarn, I had to up my flavors and sweetener (DIY) and rewick every other day (no big deal to you, PITA for me). With rayon, I've been able to knock the flavor AND the nic down by about 20-25% with even more satisfaction (the yarn seemed to tone everything down),and now rewick once a week. When I first switched, my juices had so much flavor and sweetener that they made me nauseous, and the nic hit me so hard that I was getting a little loopy. So maybe you just have to play with your wicking a little bit more (more/less). Box says 44060, right? (haha making sure you got the right stuff )

 

[Tbev]

Oh yeah! You got it!

 

[mnealtx]

Just thinking, who wants to try wicking their kayfun, ect., the way I wick my dripper? Separate 1/8-1/4 of the wick and cut the rest of the wick straight off at the point it bends down and just use the remaining small portion of the tail to go down the juice well?? Like how I did it in the video but for the kayfun.. Who's gonna try it?

That's pretty much how I'm wicked in the Erlkonigin right now...you have to thin out the tails a lot so you don't clog the juice channels. You *also* (despite what Quorax says) have to have the tails long enough to go *below* the juice ring, or it'll come out and be sticking out into the side of the bell.

Ask me how I know that.....

I'm at 2 days on the latest wick... still chugging along, good flavor and moist vape. Had to go up a 10th of a volt yesterday.

 

[b.m.]

So you are saying that although I am getting the same amount of flavor and vapor as the yarn, there is more to be unlocked?

I don't want to be a downer, but I wanted to share my experience on my setup. I haven't done any long term tests obviously, but wick longevity is at the very bottom of my list. Yarn is so simple to change out.

My juices are 0 nic if that matters, I haven't smoked a cigarette in a long time.

If your not seeing a difference from the cotton,then yes there is definitely more to be unlocked.It took me several days of rewicking to finally get it right,but now that i have it figured out,i doubt i will ever use cotton again,which sucks because i have a 40ft box plus a bag of organic cotton balls,but the rayon is definitely 100% better once you get it right.By the way,i am in columbus also,which sally's did you find it at?The one i went to only had the cotton,no rayon,and the woman working looked at me like i was stupid,said she had never heard of it haha,so i ended up buying 12' off of ebay.When you pull it through the coil,start with a thin tail,and pull it until you feel it making a squeeky type of feel.That's how i did mine and it crazy how much of a difference it makes.

 

[Nick N]

Morse Rd. at Easton

Here is how it went:

Opened the door, cashiers looked at me funny right when I walked in. Grabbed the only box on the shelf (44043), then went and picked out a few nail polishes my Wife and daughter would like (the bribe).

Cashier #1 says "I gotta ask, what are you buying this for (the rayon)?"
Cashier #2 says "Probably to use on tile." <-- I have seen this mentioned online
I pull my Vamo with Aerotank Mega attached out and say "I plan to use it to wick this."
*Cashier #1 & 2's heads exploded.



OK, I made that last part up.


Hey my brother in law's co-worker wants to try organic cotton... how about trading like 10 organic cotton balls for a couple of feet of rayon while you wait for yours to be delivered?

 

[b.m.]

Haha,yeah there is nothing like the look on the employees faces when you walk in,almost like they have never seen a guy come in,and they are not sure if a guy is even supposed to be in there.I have long hair and tattoos,so that made it that much more interesting haha.But yeah,i will have to check that one on morse next time i get over that way,i tried the one on E. Broad a few weeks back,and no luck there.Not sure if they were out or dont stock it at that one.

 

[Aal_]

You don't have enough power.

Your only Putting out 11w maybe 12 with a single battery at 1.8. Last I knew the output was 2.5 amps with one battery. You would need 2-3 more watts with rayon over your current set up to see the capabilities.

You can
A- recoil to 2.3-2.4 to be able get the full 15w at 2.5amps. You will get more power with higher ohm with your setup due to amp limit.
Or
B- the better option get a pair of 18350 imrs and stack it up (5amp limit) and you'll be able to push it to the max in voltage mode, 6v 1.8ohm 20w

Jeremy just a small comment regarding your point A. This is not possible. In VW devices the resistance is not relevant. Vamo outputs like max 3.1 amps with one battery you will never reach 15 watts with one battery because the max it outputs is 4 volts x 3.1 amps so between 12 and 13 watts max.

 

[ffwd4490]

Picked up the giant box today and sadly I think I will be trying to return it or pay it forward here in Columbus. I did not notice much difference between my Sugar 'N Cream cotton yarn. I must be doing something wrong? Maybe the advantage is for the sub ohm crowd? I have a Tobh and I haven't bothered changing it out yet based on my experience with the following setup:

Aerotank Mega - rebuilt latest gen dual coil as 3mm single - 1.8 ohm with 28 gauge Kanthal

Vamo v5, 15 watts powered by Efest 18350 (purple)

With yarn I am getting tons of flavor and vapor already (in the Tobh as well) Cellucotton didn't change much.

I really wanted it to be awesome.

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Nick. I have been using yarn almost from the start of my vaping experience, which I know isn't that long. The improvement with cellucotton is almost null for my wife and I. I'm going to stay with it for now though and see if I can dial it in more. Thing is when you have a setup that works very well and you are already getting full flavor, sometimes it may be better to just leave it alone.

 

[RIMP]

could one of yall provide a link to the yarn you're using? On the walmart site they're so many options

 

[Tbev]

It's the peaches and cream yarn it's white BC you want the one with no dye in it.

@alwani the device has a max amp output, you can use any combination of watts n res. To get there if you put a build on there that has low enough res. It will fire up to the point that it meets it's max vs. A higher res coil will allow you to go all the way thru the voltage range BC no matter what v your at its still below the amp limit.

I run 1.4ohm on my foggers on vamos and provari, they run thru the full range of volts offered by ea device, if I put a 0.9 ohm build on they might fire but only at 3.3v and error message at 3.4v and above.

Don't ever question Jeremy, he's all knowing, you should know that by now!

 

[JeremyR]

If it can put out 3 amps with one battery it would be possible to fully power 1.8 to 15w.. But I can't find anything saying vamo puts out 3 amps with one battery. It may.. They just say 5 amps max but you need stacked 350s to reach that. At any rate the device is amp limited and resistance does determine the applied amp load.

If a device is amp limited to 2.5 amps you can see how actual power output is reduced at lower ohms... Peek at this chart 2.5 amps is in red. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1

 

[awsum140]

Tbev, I'd agree, totally, with you, but there is a caveat with VV/VW devices. That maximum current figure is effected by the efficiency factor of the boost circuit used to get to six volts. That is lost power and explains why most 15 watt devices can't really achieve 15 watts and sort of peter out at 13 or so. That explains why my Vamo at 15 watts performs exactly like my 134 at 12.5 watts for example. That other 2.5 watts is lost to the boost circuit and just won't appear at the atomizer connection no matter what the display might say. The same is true in voltage mode.

The quick way around the problem is to stack 18350s and supply 7.2 volts to the boost circuit. Then, you might get very close to the advertised rating of 15 watts since the "floor" voltage is so much higher. I am not advocating stacking for anyone unless you know lithium batteries and understand all of the hazards and precautions needed for maximum safety.

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Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. No warranty or guaranty is expressed or implied. The reader specifically agrees to hold the poster harmless and free from any liability for damages whether consequential or inconsequential. I am not a doctor, physicist, chemist, engineer or lawyer and play none of them on TV. I hold no degrees in any recognized field of academic study. Your results and mileage may vary. Proceed at your own risk.

 

[Nick N]

So I just stacked my fully charged 18350 purple Efests in my Vamo v5 and cranked it to 15 watts with my cotton yarn'd Tobh.... I see why Rayon could be an advantage... a hot burnt hit. Yuck.

I prefer the form factor and cooler vape I get with the single 350, but I intend to keep playing with the rayon and stacking the batteries.

With one of the singles above the Vamo displays "RMS 3.2A" at 15 watts when fully charged (1.6 ohm coil).

 

[Tbev]

I believe a chip, any chip for that matter operates @ x% efficiency, I'd assume that decreases the harder you push it but I dunno. I'm not a big vv guy I do run Fv4 on. Provari and one on my dad's vamo and they both run about 95%as well as on say my paps lux @0.8ohm.

 

[awsum140]

If you're getting 95% efficiency you're basically violating the laws of physics. Generally, the losses run around 15% on any type of boost circuit that can handle fair amounts of power. I would guess that the higher the power involved, the lower the efficiency goes as well, heat being a good suspect for that.

 

[Tbev]

Dna 30 claims 95%efficiency. My bottom feeder, that I made has 0.1 vdrop @0.33ohm, you can do the math on that one...

 

[Tbev]

My bottom feeder is mechanical.

 

[Tbev]

 

[atroph]

Not white peaches and cream. That stuff is bleached. ECRU is supposedly the untouched stuff.

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