Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Tbev]

Thanks bud, I was worried for a second there.... Haha

 

[Moonbogg]

I'm going to try ditching the micro coil design and spread the coils out more. Perhaps not really side like a traditional coil, but somewhere in between maybe. I am guessing the heat is just too concentrated because I get this problem a lot. Lots of people have success with micro coils, but i'll try a more traditional one since mine always taste like burnt dog crap after several hours. I'll also tweak the wick to thin it out at the tails since they are BUSHY and HUGE right now.

 

[JeremyR]

OK HERE ARE THE GOODS

2) With respect to the other parts of your post, THERE IS NO STUDY WHICH CERTIFIES RAYON AS SAFE FOR HUMAN INGESTION, Inhalation, QUIT PRETENDING THAT THERE IS ONE.

Oh I just had a heart attack... Oh I'm back now ! I just keep a defibrillator at my side it runs off an 18650 and hooks right up to my mod. Lol

Your post is irrelevant man. It's not processed it's made by chemical reaction. The reactions release the cs2 from the cellulose when this happens it becomes rayon.

The studies are with pure carbon disulfide. The chemical evaporates very quickly. You have no idea how rayon is made, that's very obvious.

No one said it was tested for ecig use. No ecig component has been tested to prove its safe in our use. Cotton isn't tested for inhalation with all the pesticide residue on it. The science behind how it is made is solid and proven and tested by a third party with highly sophisticated equipment.

But virgin rayon has been tested and certified free of harmful chemicals. State of California has cleared it as well as also being non carcinogenic up to their standards.

You obviously didn't read many posts here which I can understand. But I recently posted that rayon is used in artificial livers.

 

[JeremyR]

The same flawed logic can be used to say pg is a deadly carcinogen.

Studies in animals have demonstrated that propylene oxide is a direct-acting carcinogen. B6C3F1 mice exposed by inhalation to propylene oxide developed hemangiomas and hemangiosarcomas of the nasal mucosa. F344/N rats exposed to propylene oxide in air developed papillary adenomas of the nasal epithelium. Degeneration of the olfactory epithelium and hyperplasia of the respiratory epithelium were induced in the nasal cavities of Wistar rats exposed to propylene oxide by inhalation. Squamous cell carcinomas of the forestomach developed in rats administered propylene oxide by gavage.

CDC - NIOSH Publications and Products - Carcinogenic Effects of Exposure to Propylene Oxide (89-111)


Oh and you probably don't know what I'm talking about but this chemical is what pg is directly made from.

The final product Pg is considered safe however and only has gras status from the FDA as well.

 

[SlickWilly]

But I read in on the internet.........

 

[awsum140]

I think this guy has a problem recognizing what is really going on. No one, that I am aware of, is vaping with rayon. What is being used is cellulose or viscose. Additionally, no one is purposely burning it and inhaling the fumes. To the contrary, we all avoid that like the plague. All of his research and cites seem to be for rayon fabric and possible problems with that. He also ignores, completely, the use of cellulose/viscose in medical applications like surgery and feminine hygiene products.

 

[jakematic]

I think this guy has a problem recognizing what is really going on.

Agreed - it's a typically presenting hysteria, grasping for a way to justify a 'feeling'.

Same reason my tinfoil hat business went under - people felt like they were bugged

 

[awsum140]

Hmmm. Maybe I'll start a business certifying that specific tin hats are not bugged.

 

[HolmanGT]

I was going to buy some olives but I think I'll bypass the middle man and just pick up some LYE to sprinkle on my salad.


10 Most Popular Food Plants That Contain Poison/Toxin


"What is Rayon"

 

[JeremyR]

I was going to buy some olives but I think I'll bypass the middle man and just pick up some LYE to sprinkle on my salad.


10 Most Popular Food Plants That Contain Poison/Toxin


"What is Rayon"

Thanks for posting this link
DAIWABO RAYON CO.,LTD

An interesting tid bit that sounds exactly like how we say to wick it.

"(Rayon has high flame resistance when a certain amount of fiber is inserted into a certain space)"

You need a certain amount in your coil.

Also -
"Combustion gas has no toxic gas as it is originated from C, H and O."

 

[JeremyR]

I think this guy has a problem recognizing what is really going on. No one, that I am aware of, is vaping with rayon. What is being used is cellulose or viscose. Additionally, no one is purposely burning it and inhaling the fumes. To the contrary, we all avoid that like the plague. All of his research and cites seem to be for rayon fabric and possible problems with that. He also ignores, completely, the use of cellulose/viscose in medical applications like surgery and feminine hygiene products.

Yes.

What we are using is actually regenerated cellulose. Viscose is actually the liquid cellulose before it's regenerated by chemical reaction into regenerated cellulose fiber. In the market many of these terms are used to mean the same thing as rayon.

The name was given to it by the ftc and import goods agency's . The made up the name rayon. It debated how they came up with it but they say its Ray from the sun, on like cott'on' .


http://books.google.com/books?id=nq...he+name+rayon+was+created+by&output=html_text

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For the next forty years this material was called artificial or imitation silk. By 1925 it had developed into an industry unto itself and was given the name rayon by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The term rayon at this time included any man-made fiber made from cellulose. In 1952, however, the FTC divided rayons into two categories: those fibers consisting of pure cellulose (rayon) and those consisting of a cellulose compound (acetate).

http://www.swicofil.com/viscose.html

Notice the FTC calls it pure cellulose

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Encyclopedic Dictionary of Polymers, Volume 1
http://books.google.com/books?id=HR...X&ei=SSnlU4OoCISUyAS68oHwAQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwATgK

 

[PaulBHC]

I'm trying to inhale rayon but the box keeps getting stuck in my nose. Any suggestions?

 

[PaulBHC]

The name was given to it by the government agency. The made up the name rayon. Ray from the sun, on like cott'on'

Canola is another made up word. Canada and oil. It comes from rape seed and someone didn't think that would sell very well.

 

[classwife]

I'm trying to inhale rayon but the box keeps getting stuck in my nose. Any suggestions?

This is NOT how this works !!

 

[awsum140]

My overall point is that what we are using is cellulose, not rayon. Any research that involves rayon is just not applicable, no matter what a naysayer may want to imply.

 

[cindycated]

But the big ole box says "100% Rayon."

I think people are just confusing it with the fabric, which yes, is very artificial-looking and has a lot of bad stuff in it.

 

[JeremyR]

My overall point is that what we are using is cellulose, not rayon. Any research that involves rayon is just not applicable, not matter what a naysayer may want to imply.

It's all the same in what we are talking about. Regenerated cellulose/viscose/rayon are all generically used to describe the main fiber like cotton. Notice the Sally's box says 100% rayon.

Rayon = pure regenerated cellulose : per the federal trade commission FTC .

The rayon he is talking about is fabric that's been further processed into clothes and had dyes and other agents added. A cotton fiber can have formaldehyde added or flame ......ants. But that doesn't mean cotton balls have formaldehyde. Or that all cotton has these chemicals. Just because something says cotton or rayon on the label doesn't mean it's the same as virgin fiber.

But yeah I get what you mean

Ps
it's just he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Just like many others, and that's fine.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

I wish this guy would actually stick around and engage some of these responses. He comes here and drops a wall of text with studies that don't even apply to the material being used then vanishes. Anyways it just seems like he's trying to be a giant PITA or is having reading comprehension issues.

 

[Tbev]

Thanks for posting this link
DAIWABO RAYON CO.,LTD

An interesting tid bit that sounds exactly like how we say to wick it.

"(Rayon has high flame resistance when a certain amount of fiber is inserted into a certain space)"

You need a certain amount in your coil.

Also -
"Combustion gas has no toxic gas as it is originated from C, H and O."

And if your "certain amount" is too big for the "spot" your putting it in, a little spit will do the trick.

 

[JeremyR]

Another thing to note that diawabo mentions

Its cross-sectional surface is shaped like a chrysanthemum and can take in large amounts of water to the fiber due to capillary action.