Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[HolmanGT]

Btw my lady who doesn't vape jus said our convo sounds very perverted haha

I think any vaping conversation to a non-vaper has to sound a little strange. i.e. Steel cable, Fish stone wicks, PG/VG ratios... etc.

By the way I really wasn't trying to be a wise guy about removing the tip thing. I was going by your "Join Date" and just figured "he may be dripping thru the tip". I know that I have done that much to my regret.

But I am glad I was able to entertain you and your lady.

 

[Mone415]

I think any vaping conversation to a non-vaper has to sound a little strange. i.e. Steel cable, Fish stone wicks, PG/VG ratios... etc.

By the way I really wasn't trying to be a wise guy about removing the tip thing. I was going by your "Join Date" and just figured "he may be dripping thru the tip". I know that I have done that much to my regret.

But I am glad I was able to entertain you and your lady.

Nah I kno. No worries man. I did laugh. Cuz I used tuh do that b4 an I really don't like drippin what I can't c. Thanx man

 

[Blind Owl]

Thanks for the update blind owl!

I've got the flash e-vapor which is somewhat similar to the gs..

I have some stainless mesh on the way finally so I can get a good tank wicking going. Wasn't able to get it like I would like with out stainless feeder wicks.

Yep each device and build can have its own way that will work best. It's all trial and error. I can see if fat tails have a constant feed they would be fine.

I didn't have much success trying to wrap the SS around a needle, the way I've seen in some videos. After flaming it thoroughly to limber it up, I found simply rolling it tighter & tighter (and tighter!) worked fine for me. Once the 'feeder' wicks are in place, and if necessary, it's easy to run a needle down the centres (Cdn. sp.).

 

[b.m.]

The big trick is still getting the density right, every time. I just wish there was a technique or secret formula to be able to do that!

That's the stage i'm at now.I will say when you get it just right,this stuff is amazing.I have done a few that turned out pretty good,and thought i finally had it right,no dry hits or burnt taste,but after a few days,my wick and coil were so black and gunked up,i would have to change them.I would put new ones in,and thought i used the same density,but would get really dry funky tasting hits.Now,i got really lucky the last few days,and got it better than any other attempt i've done yet.A few days ago i got my orchid clone,wrapped a couple coils,and shoved some rayon in,the stars must have been aligned just right because after 3 days now,i am still getting that moist very flavorful hit so many people have talked about,somuch so that i am dreading the day that i finally do need to change it,because i know i wont get it the same.Although i think i may be getting the feel for it,i was so happy that it turned out good,that i redid my fogger last night,and while not quite as good as i got it with the orchid,i did still manage a very useable set,not as moist tasting,but good enough to know it is close,so i just need to keep at it and eventually i think consistency will come.

 

[cindycated]

b.m., it'll be a lot easier to get there from here, now that you know what "right" feels like. You're learning the tricks - pretty soon it'll be second nature.

 

[b.m.]

Yeah,getting it right has me spoiled now haha.I use my fogger as my all day tank,so after typing that,i took it off and put the orchid on my stingray,and my god i definitely have to redo the fogger again,so i can get it to the same level.I'm at the point i will definitely need to either cut back or drop my nic level,because after just a few minutes,i already get that nic buzz going haha.

 

[Tbev]

I always drip from a needle bottle, way better and I carry it around with no cap with no problems, I use 5ml and 10ml bottles depending on how long I'll be out n about.

That being said I haven't found anything as sweet as a fogger v4 to carry all day.

 

[JeremyR]

Glad you got it bm...

As you can see for some that just try it, they won't get that optimol density and say it's not good. But as you've found it really makes a big difference.

Also your getting the nic buzz now which says it all!

Being so I can say that people on the inter webs that say it's this or that clearly don't have the density correct.

 

[b.m.]

Yeah,i was ready to give up the first few times i tried it,i was not impressed at all,but every time i checked this this thread,i would see more and more people talking about how great it was,so i made it my mission to get it right before i decided if it was that good or not.Now that i know what it's like when done correctly,there is no turning back haha.I even started spreading the word a bit.I get the daily emails from gotsmoke.com,and today one of the deals listed was organic cotton pads,and he mentioned how great they wick.I couldn't help myself,i emailed him and reccomended he come here and read this thread,as well as trying the rayon.He says he will give it a shot,so who knows,if he tries it,maybe the next daily deal will be some super sale on rayon haha.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah,i was ready to give up the first few times i tried it,i was not impressed at all,but every time i checked this this thread,i would see more and more people talking about how great it was,so i made it my mission to get it right before i decided if it was that good or not.Now that i know what it's like when done correctly,there is no turning back haha.I even started spreading the word a bit.I get the daily emails from gotsmoke.com,and today one of the deals listed was organic cotton pads,and he mentioned how great they wick.I couldn't help myself,i emailed him and reccomended he come here and read this thread,as well as trying the rayon.He says he will give it a shot,so who knows,if he tries it,maybe the next daily deal will be some super sale on rayon haha.

God forbid! What would we do with another seven miles of Rayon.

 

[cindycated]

Yeah,i was ready to give up the first few times i tried it,i was not impressed at all,but every time i checked this this thread,i would see more and more people talking about how great it was,so i made it my mission to get it right before i decided if it was that good or not.Now that i know what it's like when done correctly,there is no turning back haha.I even started spreading the word a bit.I get the daily emails from gotsmoke.com,and today one of the deals listed was organic cotton pads,and he mentioned how great they wick.I couldn't help myself,i emailed him and reccomended he come here and read this thread,as well as trying the rayon.He says he will give it a shot,so who knows,if he tries it,maybe the next daily deal will be some super sale on rayon haha.

haha Sally's Beauty Supply on gotsmoke!

 

[jakematic]

God forbid! What would we do with another seven miles of Rayon.

ROFL.

Let's see.... I've got 1,000' feet of it, a zip top bag that was gifted to me, and now some rayon balls.
I seriously doubt I've used more than 4 inches from the first bag of it in the last 3 months.

No longer do I save all the little scraps like I did with cotton


Edit:
We won't even mention the 6 boxes of KGD, zillions of cotton balls, nor the 6 lb of the cotton version of CelluCotton I accidentally ordered.

 

[Wow1420]

ok, so a quick kayfun/R91 question (as i have an amazing person sending me a small chunk of rayon to try and i don't want to waste it).

After looking through multiple threads, all of which i found when wicking with cotton or silica, people were saying to try the navy nest, or drape the wicks on the deck, or press up against the wall.... regardless everyone said to leave the juice channels open and clear.

NONE of which worked with my SLOWtech kayfun/R91's that i have...

The ones with the HUGE juice channels, if i leave the juice channels open, gurgle, flood, piss out the air hole.... and there's no stopping it.
If i cut the cotton just short enough to touch the deck, but completely cover the juice channels, it seems to work fine, unless i'm chain vaping, then i'll get a few dry hits from time to time.

SO, what's everyone's suggestion for the huge juice channels. Should i still angle cut it thin so only a small few strands are touching the deck, or should i start with only cutting a little off and going up from there?

here are the 2 R91's that i have:
$22.33 Russian 91% Styled Rebuildable Atomizer Kit (4.5mL) - stainless steel / PVD coating at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$24.09 Russian 91% Styled Rebuildable Atomizer Kit (4.5mL) - w/ logo at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I did have another R91 clone with very shallow vertical juice channels, so shallow you couldn't see light through it, even after trying to file it, i never did get it working past 10 puffs, then dry hit city. I don't even have that base anymore, but kept all other parts for spares.

I'm behind in keeping up with this thread and late to respond. I haven't read the whole thread yet, so I'm not sure if you got any answers to this yet or not.

I got a KF from focal with stupid large channels, which look just like those Russian's. I finally found a solution for wicking it. I use rayon from Sally's. First leave the wick tails long. Then I used a pointy tweezers to actually stuff a bit of rayon into the juice channels. It doesn't need to go in deep, just enough to fill the opening. I know this goes against all the conventional KF "rules", but it seems to be the only way to keep this type from leaking.

For my FT Kayfun with really shallow channels, I haven't gotten rayon to work in it yet. I did get it working with Japanese cotton. Mine is not KGD brand, but comes in sheets like KGD . I don't fully understand why the cotton works, but I suspect it has something to do with the sheet/strip format and it being slightly denser than the fluffy rayon. Who knows really, but since cotton works in it I'm going to keep using it.

My other Kayfuns with normal juice channels work just fine with rayon. It took me a while to get the density right, but I think I've gotten the method down pat now.

 

[awsum140]

I know most people here are using RDAs or RBAs but I'm still stuck on the CE3 for the sheer convenience of an auto that can be used hands free. My first attempts at cellulose in them failed pretty badly. I had more or less given up on the idea of using cellulose in them, fixed voltage being what I thought the major problem was. Then today I was thinking about it and realized it was the coil size that probably was the major problem. I was winding on a 14 gauge needle and enough cellulose to fill that, properly, was way too much for the tiny holes for the wick in the chimney. I was even thinking about making those holes bigger. Then eureka! WInd a smaller diameter coil DUMMY!

I just did a fast build using 2.4 ohms of 34 gauge Kanthal on a 16 gauge needle, wicked it up with cellulose, reassembled, filled and I have found my own, personal, Holy Grail of vaping for hands free auto batteries! Just in time since I am about to rebuild 60 or more CE3s, too.

 

[JeremyR]

Cool yeah like the evod heads build a coil to match the channels.

I really though that was a misprint when you said 60 ce3's .. Wow that's a lot of itty bitty builds.

 

[awsum140]

Yeah, that's a year's worth of ones being retired, but they keep me happy when my hands are busy.

A further update....the vapor is rich and thick, far better than a stock CE3 or even a rebuild with silica. Unfortunately, since it only has a 1ml capacity it does empty out pretty quickly! That's a good reason to have so many! I wonder if they'll last as long as the PT heads I've built with cellulose?

 

[Necrosis]

After a very short time 1 hr I could tell the wick was darkening. This was due to the coil overheating and cooking the juice. Leaving the caramelized juice on the wick. This doesn't happen with normal density.

This matches my experiences thus far too. It seems that, if the wick isn't right, it will very quickly start showing signs of gunking. And contrary to cotton, it's better to have too much than too little (a lot goes a long way!), if you don't hit the sweet spot.

I've been thinking of testing an idea I had, by wicking using too little rayon and then taking two paperclips, toothpicks, or similar to lightly push against each shoulder to lightly compact a little more rayon into the coil and fill in any potential gaps or space in the coil and see what happens. Maybe it'll work and help produce something more consistently reproducible, or maybe it'll be a terribly flawed concept.

 

[PaulBHC]

Well it happened, except that it is cotton

CelluCotton eCig Wick Material $10.70 USA | Best Vape Deals

 

[SlickWilly]

Well it happened, except that it is cotton

CelluCotton eCig Wick Material $10.70 USA | Best Vape Deals

LoL, I'm running out to buy stocks in CelluCotton

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah, that's a year's worth of ones being retired, but they keep me happy when my hands are busy.

A further update....the vapor is rich and thick, far better than a stock CE3 or even a rebuild with silica. Unfortunately, since it only has a 1ml capacity it does empty out pretty quickly! That's a good reason to have so many! I wonder if they'll last as long as the PT heads I've built with cellulose?

I noticed the fast emptying of my Kanger Minis' with CC. Someone must be using it when I am not looking.

I used to be able to drive around town for a few hours now I am lucky to get to Wal-Mart and back.