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Thought I'd chime in real quick, ended up going back to a different wicking style resembling something several million pages back in the thread. Thread rayon through coil like normal, and rather than fanning out the tails, just splitting the tails about 3/4 of the thickness and snipping the thicker segment off each side with scissors as close to the coil as I can, then trimming the rest to length. What really seems to have improved my results is positioning the rayon before saturating it, instead of after like I had been, which makes sense to me now since saturated those fibers grip each other and any bending after that will cause them to change the shape of the wick leading to the inconsistencies.

Seems to be the most effective solution so far for me. Doing the splitting & snipping is so much faster and easier than fanning & cutting on a diagonal and much easier to be consistent. Couldn't be happier.
What atty, Necrosis?
 

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Thought I'd chime in real quick, ended up going back to a different wicking style resembling something several million pages back in the thread. Thread rayon through coil like normal, and rather than fanning out the tails, just splitting the tails about 3/4 of the thickness and snipping the thicker segment off each side with scissors as close to the coil as I can, then trimming the rest to length. What really seems to have improved my results is positioning the rayon before saturating it, instead of after like I had been, which makes sense to me now since saturated those fibers grip each other and any bending after that will cause them to change the shape of the wick leading to the inconsistencies.

Seems to be the most effective solution so far for me. Doing the splitting & snipping is so much faster and easier than fanning & cutting on a diagonal and much easier to be consistent. Couldn't be happier.

Necrosis, glad that method is working for you... It's the one I always do.. And maybe you are onto something that others having troubles are missing. I set my wicks dry too and organize only while first soaking cause when they are wet their stuck together good.

Anyway I believe these show what your talking about.

Here's the posts with my wick that I put 80-90ml though and it has no gunking would have went 120ml.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t13607095.html?highlight=80-90ml#post13607095

Here is the video of me installing that wick that would make 120ml.

Originally posted here with pictures of the build post 2194

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ost13491421.html?highlight=Video#post13491421

Here a video of my rewicking last night. Sorry no commentary. I guess I can add that next time. I went with a much lower quality using the front facing camera on the iphone so I could upload it directly.

I stretch it initially because it evens the fibers if there's any thicker spots. I usually do it mounted on my mod but the camera angle would be off for the setup I used. So I had to try to hold the base. But I was holding the other end to pull against stretching it down to pull through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpVveXbZD4U


Yeah half the video is just priming it. Kinda shows how fast it is to wick.

This is the wick this morning after I vaped it pretty hard last night, looks like the density will hold up and looks good. It's vaping great as you can see, Looks brand new.

The one side is going over the high post.
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I have the half tails pulled to opposite sides.
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Here's the wick & coil at 80ml with doing nothing but vaping.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t13607095.html?highlight=80-90ml#post13607095
 
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As I said, I'm in new to building coils. When you answer please speak in beginners terms like when you started. I don't know what you mean when you say," You can go either way as long as they don't cross". To me it looks like there's an inner coil with another coil wraped around it and the top coil looks like it crossed the inner, they don't run parrellel. The only reason I picked the picture post out to ask my question. Is because the coils have to be touching, I'm not trying to build a coil like this one(inner & outer coil)

The only question I wanted to know is on a single coil that is like the ones found in clearomizers. Can the coils touch like a spring or is it better to have tiny spaces between each coil. Or can part of the coil be spaced and the other half be touching. I just want to be safe.
OK, let's break this down.

First off, what gauge of wire are you using, what inner diameter, what ohm/resistance target and what clearo are you using?

Every system is designed and built in a factory and we are just jumping the assembly line to do it ourselves.

Keeping this short, if you are asking if having all of the wraps touching each other is bad... NOT A CHANCE! Honestly, every coil I wrap has every wrap touching its neighbor, every one.

There is a phenomena that happens when you do that but its not important until you are looking at subohms, and yes, as long as you are within the limits of your battery you are fine.

Speaking of rebuilding, always test your coil with 1 if not 2 meters if you are not 110% positive of your result.

Best of luck!
 

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What atty, Necrosis?

Magma with a standard dual microcoil build, and two kayfuns with... yea standard single microcoil on a 45 degree angle. My fogger v4s should hopefully be coming in the mail Monday, which hopefully are good enough to shelve the kayfuns.


Here is the video of me installing that wick that would make 120ml.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpVveXbZD4U



Yep, that's it down to the tail splitting! This kind of tail setup is working just fine in my kayfuns as well. I think positioning the wicks dry before saturation is the variable I was missing this whole time. Set it, wet it, leave it the @#$% alone.
 

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The only question I wanted to know is on a single coil that is like the ones found in clearomizers. Can the coils touch like a spring or is it better to have tiny spaces between each coil. Or can part of the coil be spaced and the other half be touching. I just want to be safe.

Either way will work. You'll have to experiment to find what you like. A coil with touching coils can be good. :yesnod: ie...

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As I said, I'm in new to building coils. When you answer please speak in beginners terms like when you started. I don't know what you mean when you say," You can go either way as long as they don't cross". To me it looks like there's an inner coil with another coil wraped around it and the top coil looks like it crossed the inner, they don't run parrellel. The only reason I picked the picture post out to ask my question. Is because the coils have to be touching, I'm not trying to build a coil like this one(inner & outer coil)

The only question I wanted to know is on a single coil that is like the ones found in clearomizers. Can the coils touch like a spring or is it better to have tiny spaces between each coil. Or can part of the coil be spaced and the other half be touching. I just want to be safe.
That just means that when you wrap your coils, the wires can touch if you want them to, but they can't overlap to where it forms an "X." Plain straight wire, twisted wire, fancy braided wire, parallel wire (two separate wires at once) - doesn't matter. When you wrap, you have to keep going forward without backtracking. Some of the ones you've seen here look really tangled up, but that's only because they're using fancy wire. Basically, they're still coiling linearly, like if you were making a spring.

Wraps right next to each other and touching or separate is completely up to you, and they're both safe. Try it both ways and see which one works better for you. Personally, my Evods prefer them a little bit spaced (less gunking). ;)
 
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So I gave Rayon (cellucotton) a try for a few days...at first I thought I loved it. It is so much easier to get right and work with than cotton. You almost can't mess up your build with it. But after those few days I went back to cotton for a comparison...I have to say, I enjoy the cotton more. Rayon has a strange taste to it IMO and I think the flavor is better with cotton. Just thought I'd chime in with my personal observations.
 
So I gave Rayon (cellucotton) a try for a few days...at first I thought I loved it. It is so much easier to get right and work with than cotton. You almost can't mess up your build with it. But after those few days I went back to cotton for a comparison...I have to say, I enjoy the cotton more. Rayon has a strange taste to it IMO and I think the flavor is better with cotton. Just thought I'd chime in with my personal observations.
How dare u bro. Rayon lovers only. Lol. It's been uh while since I've used cotton. Think ima go bakk an re-wikk some rdas. I'm not really diggin some of my juices that I used to. Plus I'm swimming in organic cotton and rayon. Gonna eventually haftuh do somethin wit this stuff. I Completely understand. Could also b my nichrome 2 tho.
 

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How dare u bro. Rayon lovers only. Lol. It's been uh while since I've used cotton. Think ima go bakk an re-wikk some rdas. I'm not really diggin some of my juices that I used to. Plus I'm swimming in organic cotton and rayon. Gonna eventually haftuh do somethin wit this stuff. I Completely understand. Could also b my nichrome 2 tho.
I meant no disrespect to those who use and love rayon. This thread was the reason I decided to give it a try.
 

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Wraps right next to each other and touching or separate is completely up to you, and they're both safe. Try it both ways and see which one works better for you. Personally, my Evods prefer them a little bit spaced (less gunking). ;)

Same here, and less wick-burning, too, which was a big issue with cotton, not so much with rayon, but hey, they're easier to make. :D And yes, less gunking.

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I meant no disrespect to those who use and love rayon. This thread was the reason I decided to give it a try.

Haha It was in jest. Hence the whole cotton paragraph that followed after. Was tuggin on ur chain chief.

Edit: Now that I re-read it guess it's Kina hard tuh tell. My bad. Things sound so much funnier out loud while typing them.
 
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Haha It was in jest. Hence the whole cotton paragraph that followed after. Was tuggin on ur chain chief.

Edit: Now that I re-read it guess it's Kina hard tuh tell. My bad. Things sound so much funnier out loud while typing them.

Mone415.

Glad to see I am not the only one that knows how to step in it.

I read your post and "Kryp's" reply. I was afraid he would take it wrong. You put all the appropriate "LoLs" to indicate your humorous intent. I am like you sometimes things that I thought were obviously funny jabs don't go over well even though in my mind it had me ROTFLMAO. :lol:

I usually don't re-read mine until the next day... then just hide out for a couple of days until the smoke clears. :facepalm:
 
Mone415.

Glad to see I am not the only one that knows how to step in it.

I read your post and "Kryp's" reply. I was afraid he would take it wrong. You put all the appropriate "LoLs" to indicate your humorous intent. I am like you sometimes things that I thought were obviously funny jabs don't go over well even though in my mind it had me ROTFLMAO. :lol:

I usually don't re-read mine until the next day... then just hide out for a couple of days until the smoke clears. :facepalm:
Haha. That just cracked me the hell up man.
 

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That just means that when you wrap your coils, the wires can touch if you want them to, but they can't overlap to where it forms an "X." Plain straight wire, twisted wire, fancy braided wire, parallel wire (two separate wires at once) - doesn't matter. When you wrap, you have to keep going forward without backtracking. Some of the ones you've seen here look really tangled up, but that's only because they're using fancy wire. Basically, they're still coiling linearly, like if you were making a spring.

Wraps right next to each other and touching or separate is completely up to you, and they're both safe. Try it both ways and see which one works better for you. Personally, my Evods prefer them a little bit spaced (less gunking). ;)
You might want to try the "flavor split" method. Make a couple wraps then leave a gap (about 1 wrap's worth of space or more) and start wrapping your coil again.

The difference in resistance will be tiny and it seems to help with gunking and boosts flavor output.

OwtV7Ba.jpg

An extreme version of the same technique.
 

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You might want to try the "flavor split" method. Make a couple wraps then leave a gap (about 1 wrap's worth of space or more) and start wrapping your coil again.

The difference in resistance will be tiny and it seems to help with gunking and boosts flavor output.

OwtV7Ba.jpg

An extreme version of the same technique.

This is how I do mine without the fancy u turn

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Haha It was in jest. Hence the whole cotton paragraph that followed after. Was tuggin on ur chain chief.

Edit: Now that I re-read it guess it's Kina hard tuh tell. My bad. Things sound so much funnier out loud while typing them.

Its all good, i knew you were joking.
 

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So I gave Rayon (cellucotton) a try for a few days...at first I thought I loved it. It is so much easier to get right and work with than cotton. You almost can't mess up your build with it. But after those few days I went back to cotton for a comparison...I have to say, I enjoy the cotton more. Rayon has a strange taste to it IMO and I think the flavor is better with cotton. Just thought I'd chime in with my personal observations.

Different people experience things well, uh, differently. Isn't it great though that we are discovering more and more wicking materials so that there are many alternatives and hopefully, everyone can find their happy place.

You might want to try the "flavor split" method. Make a couple wraps then leave a gap (about 1 wrap's worth of space or more) and start wrapping your coil again.

The difference in resistance will be tiny and it seems to help with gunking and boosts flavor output.

OwtV7Ba.jpg

An extreme version of the same technique.

I saw that coil when deedupex first did it and thought meh, I don't see the benefit. As soon as I saw where you called it the "flavor split" method I got an ah-ha! moment. I need to recoil my Magma today and that build looks like it will be perfect having that gap right over the air hole. Can't wait to try it out.
 
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