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[HolmanGT]

That's my biggest complaint with the Graham, and those little wisps love to stick to my calloused hands and fingers. They're really annoying when you end up inhaling one!

awsum,

I have the same problem with CC. My hands are not exactly calloused but hear in the desert my skin is thick and very dry. The stuff gets caught on dry rough patches and when I try to roll it just slips between my finger. So I wet my fingers a little so I can roll it but then it sticks to my finger tips.

Oh... the problems of rayon. but at least it wick great and doesn't make my juice taste like scorched linen like it does with cotton.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah...it's come up..because I'm the only one that really has brought up my sensation from it..and tired of repeating myself on my trials with it.


I'm a scientist... I've tried every ratio, 0-3mg.. every flavor..same itchy feeling...rense and repeat.. I've tried it when humidity was low (60-70%), and on normal days (70-90%)..no dice.

It doesn't make sense to me..but alas..

Probably the only sterile rolled cotton user around that vapes 50 Watts + now...lol.

Edit-but thanks...absolutely 0 particles come off of matter...you're right.

suspectK,

What PG/VG ratio do you vape? If you are in the 70/30 range that could be a source of irritation. I had switch to 50/50 before I started using Rayon and now just because PG tends to makes my mouth really dry I have switched to 30/70. I don't know what the problem is that's true regardless of how opinionated I am. I am an E. Eng. and everyone one know how opinionated Engineers are.

Anyway I will concede that we may never know why it effects some people the way you have described. The only thing I can think of is take 3 - 4 ml of your juice and soak some rayon in it for a couple days and then draw off the juice and vape it with your cotton. The only thing this would cover is if the heat from the coil is part of the equation.

I am still laughing about your low humidity test - 60 to 70 %. Here in the Desert if the humidity ever got over about 25% there would be a run on the Scuba Shops for a tank of air and a regulator. It is 43% here today but that is only because it is raining. 15% is more typical here.

PS - People always mention Nic % in reference to throat hit. For me I can vape some 12 mg sample that a vendor sends me or my normal 24 mg stuff and I can't taste or feel any difference. The only thing I notice with low Nic juice is I start thinking about cigarettes and that is not good for me. I was a pretty heavy smoker for over 50 years and as long as I am not smoking me and my Cardiologist are happy so I will probably stay with 24 mgs until the Grim Reaper comes a-callen.

 

[suspectK]

suspectK,

What PG/VG ratio do you vape? If you are in the 70/30 range that could be a source of irritation. I had switch to 50/50 before I started using Rayon and now just because PG tends to makes my mouth really dry I have switched to 30/70. I don't know what the problem is that's true regardless of how opinionated I am. I am an E. Eng. and everyone one know how opinionated Engineers are.

Anyway I will concede that we may never know why it effects some people the way you have described. The only thing I can think of is take 3 - 4 ml of your juice and soak some rayon in it for a couple days and then draw off the juice and vape it with your cotton. The only thing this would cover is if the heat from the coil is part of the equation.

I am still laughing about your low humidity test - 60 to 70 %. Here in the Desert if the humidity ever got over about 25% there would be a run on the Scuba Shops for a tank of air and a regulator. It is 43% here today but that is only because it is raining. 15% is more typical here.

PS - People always mention Nic % in reference to throat hit. For me I can vape some 12 mg sample that a vendor sends me or my normal 24 mg stuff and I can't taste or feel any difference. The only thing I notice with low Nic juice is I start thinking about cigarettes and that is not good for me. I was a pretty heavy smoker for over 50 years and as long as I am not smoking me and my Cardiologist are happy so I will probably stay with 24 mgs until the Grim Reaper comes a-callen.

I've tried every ratio

Lol..yeah.. I'm in Alabama.. and in a valley..so extra, extra suck.

But when I say I tried every ratio...I mean my ratios... I've never used anything with more than 50% PG for longer than a minute... even in my carto days.. I prefer ~20/80.. I'm about to start customizing ratios for flavors..I really think I have a niche for it. I should've started diy last year...it's so easy, and more fun, and less messy (if you start organized, lol) than cooking.

Edit- I don't know. Since I got good with rolled cotton (I can make wicks really quick, as good as..or better than cotton bacon with CVS style rolled) and there's other types...for baby mats/pillows..

I haven't noticed the break in period with cotton since I stopped using kayfuns also...it use to be a wet gym sock..haven't experienced it in my estia.. slightly with some drippers..the magma I know is one I notice a break in period with.

Editedit- just fyi...cotton bacon is just rolled cotton..

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah...it's come up..because I'm the only one that really has brought up my sensation from it..and tired of repeating myself on my trials with it.


I'm a scientist... I've tried every ratio, 0-3mg.. every flavor..same itchy feeling...rense and repeat.. I've tried it when humidity was low (60-70%), and on normal days (70-90%)..no dice.

It doesn't make sense to me..but alas..

Probably the only sterile rolled cotton user around that vapes 50 Watts + now...lol.

Edit-but thanks...absolutely 0 particles come off of matter...you're right.

suspectK,

What kind of scientist are you? Do you have access to a Gas Chromatograph or a Mass Spec? Either one of those devices should easily determine if there is some strange chemical reaction going on.

 

[HolmanGT]

Lol..yeah.. I'm in Alabama.. and in a valley..so extra, extra suck.

But when I say I tried every ratio...I mean my ratios... I've never used anything with more than 50% PG for longer than a minute... even in my carto days.. I prefer ~20/80.. I'm about to start customizing ratios for flavors..I really think I have a niche for it. I should've started diy last year...it's so easy, and more fun, and less messy (if you start organized, lol) than cooking.

Edit- I don't know. Since I got good with rolled cotton (I can make wicks really quick, as good as..or better than cotton bacon with CVS style rolled) and there's other types...for baby mats/pillows..

I haven't noticed the break in period with cotton since I stopped using kayfuns also...it use to be a wet gym sock..haven't experienced it in my estia.. slightly with some drippers..the magma I know is one I notice a break in period with.

Editedit- just fyi...cotton bacon is just rolled cotton..

I went to school in Lake Charles LA. so I can sympathize with you on the humidity. I even worked in a chemical plant in Sulfur, LA for a few years and believe me a chemical plant is not the place you want to be in a Louisiana summer.

Oh-well so much for my PG theory.

 

[suspectK]

suspectK,

What kind of scientist are you? Do you have access to a Gas Chromatograph or a Mass Spec? Either one of those devices should easily determine if there is some strange chemical reaction going on.

I'm a degree-less sob, that is inventing something..and part of 2 family businesses.. One is heavily involved with electrical theory.. I make up 1/2 of the technicians there.

But when I said I was a scientist...I didn't mean professionally. I apply the scientific method in everything in my life... that's what I meant to get across.

But I do have a broad experience in chemistry, neurochemistry, and pharmacology...

 

[suspectK]

I went to school in Lake Charles LA. so I can sympathize with you on the humidity. I even worked in a chemical plant in Sulfur, LA for a few years and believe me a chemical plant is not the place you want to be in a Louisiana summer.

Oh-well so much for my PG theory.

Oh... hardly any of our work is brought to us.. it's usually somewhere equally crappy. 10% of the time there is AC if we're inside...so I'd much rather be in a sub yard all day than that bs.

 

[bsoplinger]

Question for those who've used rayon in Genesis type tanks. Did you use Sally's or the tencel fibers? I'm looking at my Sally's and can't imagine how it could make a vertical wick.

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[PaulBHC]

I bend up the bottom of the coil so that there is a gap to the deck at least on one side. Then roll the CC in my palms until it is 1.5 times or so the size of the coil. I wet and twist the tip, cut off all but about a quarter inch. I stick that down the coil into the wick hole. I use a bent paper clip to push the CC down the wick hole like you would push a straw down a soft drink cup to push the ice out of the way. I just keep working at it while the main portion of wick gets dragged down into the coil.

I make my coils 5/64 and use a toothpick to ream the dry burnt coil to remove any flakes of junk.

 

[HolmanGT]

I'm a degree-less sob, that is inventing something..and part of 2 family businesses.. One is heavily involved with electrical theory.. I make up 1/2 of the technicians there.

But when I said I was a scientist...I didn't mean professionally. I apply the scientific method in everything in my life... that's what I meant to get across.

But I do have a broad experience in chemistry, neurochemistry, and pharmacology...

I specialized in pharmacology when I was younger but the Police made me reconsider my choice of entertainment.

As far as scientific approach to question I have a very bad habit of applying gut feelings and current mind sets not the best way to approach problems. Like the Rayon thing I have developed a mindset that Rayon is for all practical purposes vaping inert. I didn't just form that opinion out of the ether but as much WEB searching as I could stand prior to coming to the conclusion that it was safe to use but then I have never had much trouble convincing myself a conclusion valid when it was what I wanted it to be.

 

[HolmanGT]

I bend up the bottom of the coil so that there is a gap to the deck at least on one side. Then roll the CC in my palms until it is 1.5 times or so the size of the coil. I wet and twist the tip, cut off all but about a quarter inch. I stick that down the coil into the wick hole. I use a bent paper clip to push the CC down the wick hole like you would push a straw down a soft drink cup to push the ice out of the way. I just keep working at it while the main portion of wick gets dragged down into the coil.

I make my coils 5/64 and use a toothpick to ream the dry burnt coil to remove any flakes of junk.

Question for those who've used rayon in Genesis type tanks. Did you use Sally's or the tencel fibers? I'm looking at my Sally's and can't imagine how it could make a vertical wick.

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bsoplinger,

I do everything Paul does except the paperclip thing. I take the rolled wick put the pointed end down into the coil and then depending on the direction the coil was wound twist the wick down into the coil like a screw into a nut. If it is real tight and twists the wick when I get the wick to the depth I want I continue to push down and twist it in the opposite direction to take the twist if any out of the wick.

I also use this method for replacing the silica in Kanger coils and it works fine and their coils are like 32 or 34 Ga. pretty flimsy.

Works for me...

 

[suspectK]

I specialized in pharmacology when I was younger but the Police made me reconsider my choice of entertainment.

As far as scientific approach to question I have a very bad habit of applying gut feelings and current mind sets not the best way to approach problems. Like the Rayon thing I have developed a mindset that Rayon is for all practical purposes vaping inert. I didn't just form that opinion out of the ether but as much WEB searching as I could stand prior to coming to the conclusion that it was safe to use but then I have never had much trouble convincing myself a conclusion valid when it was what I wanted it to be.

Hey... I said I try to do apply it to everything... usually my fanboi takes control of my approach though.. especially with new stuff.

But yeah...I was 16 when certain things made a big appearance, imitating one certain thing...It was all good for me. Lol. Yeah.. the R in the acronym stands for RESEARCH. lol

 

[HolmanGT]

Hey... I said I try to do apply it to everything... usually my fanboi takes control of my approach though.. especially with new stuff.

But yeah...I was 16 when certain things made a big appearance, imitating one certain thing...It was all good for me. Lol. Yeah.. the R in the acronym stands for RESEARCH. lol

I did a lot of that kind of research myself. But I have always had an innate ability to make the results meet my desired results.

 

[suspectK]

Haha.....that is so great.

 

[readeuler]

I just wanted to thank Jeremy for posting that video wicking the flashi (flash-e? Whatever it was!).

I'm new to rebuilding (a few weeks experience), and cotton worked well enough, but not perfectly. I wanted to switch to rayon (Tbev would make a great salesman, I also want a Fogger...), and that's when inexperience really bit me.

However, watching that video, it became apparent I was using about 4x the amount of rayon I should have been. Everyone just said "cram it full!" and believe me, I did... Now that I know how thin it should twist near the end, that's been a huge help.

Even now that it's really working well, and the actual flavor has returned to my Kayfun, I have a feeling I'm still using a touch too much. First refill, and I got a random dry/almost burnt hit a bit later. I'm using 70% VG, so I just closed off the airflow a bit, and haven't seen had an issue since. In the first place, I had trimmed the tails near bald, and let them just touch, not fall onto, the deck.

Whatever caused it, I've still got some things to work on. But without that video, I would absolutely be fumbling in the dark.

I also used his tail-trimming/draping style in a tiny trident RDA, and I think even it's holding about a ml of juice now. Good stuff, and thanks again!

 

[HolmanGT]

When I got into DIY months ago I bought some Humco and wasn't sure about it. I emailed them and they replied that it is food grade USP vegetable glycerin.

I've only seen the 99.5 so not sure where you get 95.7

Hey Paul,

I know this is an old subject but today when I was at Wally-World I looked at their Glycerin and you are correct it says 99.5%.

Now for the problem that I can't get a handle on. The bottles they sell here in St. George are not marked as HUMCO some other label and I can't for the life of me remember the name right now.

I mad the mistake of reading the back label, are you ready for this, there is a statement that if you ingest any of the product to call the Poison Control Center immediately.

What do you suppose that is all about. I thought Gummy Bears were made out of Glycerin.

 

[AMDTrucking]

Gee AMD, I thought I was scared of teenage girls behind the wheel of a Volkswagen while texting. Now I have to worry about an "18 Wheeler" with a laptop, GPS, Cell Phone and a Mod in one hand.

I'll bet the next time I pass a big rig on one of these desert two lane roads I'll have to pull over to change my pants.

If you knew what's underneath that laptop...

 

[PaulBHC]

The poison warning is because if you drink that bottle, it lubricates your innards. It might make its way out before you can pick up the phone. Turns your colon into a better wick than rayon.

I think the above is true but I don't know. You should probably research it.

 

[HolmanGT]

If you knew what's underneath that laptop...

Geez AMD,

I almost ran off the road reaching for my single Ego-twist that I use when driving. If I had all the stuff you have in the truck in my car I would have to drive from the back seat.

 

[HolmanGT]

The poison warning is because if you drink that bottle, it lubricates your innards. It might make its way out before you can pick up the phone. Turns your colon into a better wick than rayon.

I think the above is true but I don't know. You should probably research it.

Well that makes sense... they do make Glycerin suppositories for that exact purpose although I don't know what the Poison Control Center could do to help. You would be better off call one of those Septic Tank trucks.

I may look it up just to see but I am sure your correct. They also said by it self it has a sweet taste and is used to sweeten some food products maybe they are concerned about a kid belting down an ounce or two.

Guess I better keep an eye on how many Gummy Bears I ingest.