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[AMDTrucking]

I know you're the king of flat ribbon, AMD, and it always looks like it works very well. I'll have to look more closely at the circuit diagram for building my own little welder that you and awsum have passed around. I don't know the first thing about any of that stuff, unfortunately.

Some people use ribbon without NR leads. This is my personal preference to use it. 0.6mm ribbon has the same resistance as 30 Gauge Kanthal, as for the area coverage, you be the Judge. It's like driving Hybrid vehicle vs. the muscle car: You get to where you are going just as quickly and comfortably but will consume less fuel.

 

[awsum140]

I love my mad scientist look...magnifier goggles on and sparks flying as I weld.....heh heh heh heh

It's not hard to do, really. It's more technique and trial by error. Wire sizes versus voltage versus capacitance versus amount of overlap. Too much and wire vaporizes before your dazzled eyes, too little and they fall apart. One of the hardest, to me, is 34ga Kanthal to 30ga nickel.

 

[AMDTrucking]

I love my mad scientist look...magnifier goggles on and sparks flying as I weld.....heh heh heh heh

It's not hard to do, really. It's more technique and trial by error. Wire sizes versus voltage versus capacitance versus amount of overlap. Too much and wire vaporizes before your dazzled eyes, too little and the fall apart. One of the hardest, to me, is 34ga Kanthal to 30ga nickel.

34 gauge!!!??? I will need a Microscope just to see it

Here is my favorite Weld job: 22 gauge kanthal flattened under a press and 26 gauge nickel leads. At least I can see it.

I feel I could almost use my Millermatic 212 MIG Welder

 

[awsum140]

I use a six diopter binocular jewelers loupe and a high contrast background. If I'm really trying to see I keep my glasses on too!

 

[tchavei]

Hmm... Is there tempered ni200 ribbon available? That would be cool to try out

Regards
Tony

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[JeremyR]

The 24ga was just unruly. That all could be due to incorrect rayon density.

Old stats
Surface area: 116 mm^2
Heat flux @ 50 watts: 201mW/mm^2
Heat Capacity: 51.92 (not writing units here!)

New stats
SA: 125 mm^2
Heat flux @ 50 watts: 185
Heat Capacity: 35.45

More surface area and less heat capacity. We'll see how my wicks like the change. The per-coil mass dropped from 123mg to 77mg as well, again seeming good.

Well I can assure you its capable, my builds are much hotter than both of those, always.

I do appreciate you posting the stats, I use those and should have been posting mine too!

My last wick and coil that went 180ml was on a stacked 350 zmax v3 @ 6v

28g
9wraps / 2mm
1.3 ohm
Heat flux @ 24w - * 328 MW/mm²
Heat capacity - 19.2 mj/k¹

As you can see much hotter and fast heat up

My favorite is the parallel 32

1.3 ohm
8 wraps (2) /2mm
Heat flux @ 24w - *329 MW/mm²
Heat capacity * 12 mj/k¹

It is noticeably much faster to heat up than the 28... Can't imagine 50mj/k²

Oh here's the //32 heat up
Last one is about 2-3 seconds

 

[HolmanGT]

Hmm... Is there tempered ni200 ribbon available? That would be cool to try out

Regards
Tony

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Not that I know of Tony but you could easily flatten Ni200 Tempered in a vice with flat faces installed. Then you wouldn't have to worry about welding on round connection lead.

PS - did I mention that Stealth vape is going to have 30 Ga Tempered Ni200 next week or possibly the week after if his order gets held up. Also he told me that he is afraid that he is going to end up hold the bag for a bunch of annealed Ni200 because all his orders for the last few weeks have been for the Tempered Ni200

 

[AMDTrucking]

Hmm... Is there tempered ni200 ribbon available? That would be cool to try out

Regards
Tony

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That's my ultimate dream

 

[tchavei]

That's my ultimate dream

Well mine is a sex party with three blondes but I get the idea

Regards
Tony

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[tchavei]

Not that I know of Tony but you could easily flatten Ni200 Tempered in a vice with flat faces installed. Then you wouldn't have to worry about welding on round connection lead.

PS - did I mention that Stealth Vape is going to have 30 Ga Tempered Ni200 next week or possibly the week after if his order gets held up. Also he told me that he is afraid that he is going to end up hold the bag for a bunch of annealed Ni200 because all his orders for the last few weeks have been for the Tempered Ni200

Tell Rob to sell it to the Yankees, they're used to annealed nickel

Now seriously... Annealed has its place in NR-R-NR builds I guess... He should sell it in time... Or maybe not... I love tempered ni. My coil is 8 days old and no resistance shifting and I brushed it today without even removing the rayon and it held perfectly it's shape

Regards
Tony

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[puffon]

I wonder why Stealth Vapes seems to be the only supplier of tempered nickle, worldwide.
You would think Tempco would carry it?

 

[Tbev]

I'd be willing to bet at least one of my nuts that if you flattened ni wire you'd have a ton of hot spots ...

 

[HolmanGT]

Tell Rob to sell it to the Yankees, they're used to annealed nickel

Now seriously... Annealed has its place in NR-R-NR builds I guess... He should sell it in time... Or maybe not... I love tempered ni. My coil is 8 days old and no resistance shifting and I brushed it today without even removing the rayon and it held perfectly it's shape

Regards
Tony

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I wouldn't go back to annealed on a bet. That stuff could put a sane man in the nut house.

Yup Rob has the annealed listed under DNA40 wire he may have to create a category for "No Resistance" leads for Kanthal build.

 

[SlickWilly]

Jeremy,

On a solution to the leaky Plume Veil, I've had an idea in my head for a while, I may give it a go next week. My thought is to take a blunt needle that has about the same ID and the existing holes and make a tube that will look something like a tail pipe down spout like this

Then drill out the air holes to match the OD of the blunt needle and insert the bent needles in the holes. I think if I remove the center post so the deck is opened up to work on, I can insert these bent tubes from the inside and angle them to direct the air toward the coil and leave the open end a little above the deck. Your thoughts?

 

[cobalt327]

Thanks! 34 gauge would be quite tricky! I work with 33 and I wish I did with 32s Hopefully with the vice, my wicking will be more stable

By the way, I just received this today:

https://www.fasttech.com/products/1521201

The R part is about 40 mm and it gave 6 full wraps with 1.8mm ID. I haven't measured the resistance yet though.

Some people use ribbon without NR leads. This is my personal preference to use it. 0.6mm ribbon has the same resistance as 30 Gauge Kanthal, as for the area coverage, you be the Judge. It's like driving Hybrid vehicle vs. the muscle car: You get to where you are going just as quickly and comfortably but will consume less fuel.

That's what I'm doing at least until the collection of components I have sitting here morph into a wire welder. Even for small coils ribbon works better IMO. I found some 3mm x .1mm Kanthal ribbon (roughly equivalent to 33 gauge round Kanthal) from KP to use in Kanger Protank, etc. heads. On the same theme, I found using NiCr 34 gauge allows me to use 5 turns instead of 4 turns of 34 gauge Kanthal to get the same ~ 2 ohm coil. Increased surface area- works for me.

 

[AMDTrucking]

Tell Rob to sell it to the Yankees, they're used to annealed nickel

Now seriously... Annealed has its place in NR-R-NR builds I guess... He should sell it in time... Or maybe not... I love tempered ni. My coil is 8 days old and no resistance shifting and I brushed it today without even removing the rayon and it held perfectly it's shape

Regards
Tony

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Do you think if TC is set for 600F (315.5C) it might burn the gunk off the coil without annealing it?

 

[Tbev]

Prolly not

 

[HolmanGT]

Do you think if TC is set for 600F (315.5C) it might burn the gunk off the coil without annealing it?

I am sure that Tony has already tried it but NO 600 F will not anneal Ni200:

From:Heat Treating of Nickel and Nickel Alloys :: KEY to METALS Articles

Annealing.A heat treatment designed to produce a recrystallized grain structure and softening in work-hardened alloys. Annealing usually requires temperatures between 705 and 1205oC, depending on alloy composition and degree of work hardening.

So if 600 degrees F will knock off the gunk your "Golden".

 

[Tbev]

I don't think it will burn the crap off the coils tho,, that's what I meant. Even with tc maxed out I don't think I cac burn the coils clean

 

[tchavei]

Haven't tried it yet, I just brushed the gunk off cold and it went shiny. I will probably change wick this weekend just so I can try some dry fire cleaning. I'll let you know

Regards
Tony

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