Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[cindycated]

The way I can tell too much or too little wick is: if it tastes burnt, then it's too little. If it smells like burning paper, then it's too much. The atty kinda determines wicking too, like my Squape R likes it really tight. Some like thinned tails, others like short, stubby tails, some like a combo of both..

I think I figured out my blackened juice problem from a couple of weeks ago. I hardly ever build anymore, so sometimes my technique is a little off. That time, I think I went a little too crazy with the tension and it caused hot legs on the 3 atties that I built that day. Rebuilt them yesterday, and juices don't even discolor now. Same color from beginning to end.

 

[Tbev]

So I just pulled the wicks out of my derringer, well over 200 ml prolly close to 250 @ 0.18ohm I switched between strawberry custard and strawberry cheesecake, I know right, both from white label juice co 100vg. $20/100ml, great juice btw. . . Wicks were still ok but pretty much feel a part when I pulled them. I think if they are perfect, they start to lose flavor at some point, I'm not sure where. It's over 100ml I'm pretty sure. That's been my biggest problem; I keep them in so long I can't tell when they start to give flavor away. Not a bad problem to have I guess.

Only with rayon!

 

[cobalt327]

So I just pulled the wicks out of my derringer, well over 200 ml prolly close to 250 @ 0.18ohm I switched between strawberry custard and strawberry cheesecake, I know right, both from white label juice co 100vg. $20/100ml, great juice btw. . . Wicks were still ok but pretty much feel a part when I pulled them. I think if they are perfect, they start to lose flavor at some point, I'm not sure where. It's over 100ml I'm pretty sure. That's been my biggest problem; I keep them in so long I can't tell when they start to give flavor away. Not a bad problem to have I guess.

Only with rayon!

Was all set to try some strawberry cheesecake but unless I'm reading it wrong, they don't sell 12 mg- plus nicotine?

 

[JeremyR]

So I just pulled the wicks out of my derringer, well over 200 ml prolly close to 250 @ 0.18ohm I switched between strawberry custard and strawberry cheesecake, I know right, both from white label juice co 100vg. $20/100ml, great juice btw. . . Wicks were still ok but pretty much feel a part when I pulled them. I think if they are perfect, they start to lose flavor at some point, I'm not sure where. It's over 100ml I'm pretty sure. That's been my biggest problem; I keep them in so long I can't tell when they start to give flavor away. Not a bad problem to have I guess.

Only with rayon!

250ml @ .18, is that on temp protect?

250 is a long way, really can't expect much more from an organic wick I guess...

 

[Tbev]

No sir that's in my mech bottom feeder! Dna boards are for sissys..

 

[Tbev]

The wicks were still ok, they looked good, but they did pretty much fall apart when I removed them.

 

[Kaezziel]

No sir that's in my mech bottom feeder! Dna boards are for sissys..

Man, apparently I missed a lot while I was gone! You made it back to us, and you're a registered supplier now!?! That's awesome, man, Congrats! And it's good to see you again. Those mods look pretty sweet, too!

 

[PaulBHC]

Jeremy has gone transgender from a tube to a box so we won't be seeing him in the Zmax thread. I swing both ways with my tubes and MVPs.

 

[SoonerChris]

I never heard a report about rayon being stuffed so tight in a coil to choke it... I tried and failed.

If you could post a pic of your build, that would help diagnose the culprit.

Regards
Tony

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GP Heron. Sorry about the photos, only have my iPhone with me at work.

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[JeremyR]

No sir that's in my mech bottom feeder! Dna boards are for sissys..

Wow! That's is crazy!

The tmods must be great.

We'll say 225ml is the new record. No temp protect!

Incredible, apperantly it was still working. But yeah it pulls apart at that point if you pull on it.

 

[atroph]

So I just pulled the wicks out of my derringer, well over 200 ml prolly close to 250 @ 0.18ohm I switched between strawberry custard and strawberry cheesecake, I know right, both from white label juice co 100vg. $20/100ml, great juice btw. . . Wicks were still ok but pretty much feel a part when I pulled them. I think if they are perfect, they start to lose flavor at some point, I'm not sure where. It's over 100ml I'm pretty sure. That's been my biggest problem; I keep them in so long I can't tell when they start to give flavor away. Not a bad problem to have I guess.

Only with rayon!

Thanks for the juice info. Always looking for inexpensive stuff that doesn't taste like crap. I have plenty of that

 

[JeremyR]

GP Heron. Sorry about the photos, only have my iPhone with me at work.

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Wow I haven't seen what that Atty looks like, its
different..

First the tail going down to the deck should be thinned at the top side by at least 50-75% where it bends down. If not it will pull the juice down into itself because it is allowed to expand freely with juice. The wick has kind of an ebb and flow to it so thinning controls it. This can be done now. Just take the ring off and cut half the wick so the top looks the same but the bend is relieved with a very thin tail going down.. pull out the excess carefully. Reposition your tails and try it.

The top wick may probably needs to be thinned a little bit so its not too tight in the hole. Its a similar gravity feed as the flash e-vapor.. And you want the hole nearly open for a consistent feed. So I'm guessing thin the top tail by about 50% right before it goes in the hole.

I run the flashi wide open no wick in the holes just bushy short full tails up against the hole.

I would start with the lower tail and see how that does, then start with the top wick if issues persist.

 

[HockerMagnum]

I double wick a horizontal coil on and ATA tank. When the performance drops off after a couple hundred ml I wet scrape the coil, take 2 blunted small safety pins and shove wick in from each side. Been using the same twisted 32g kanthal coil for over 3 months.

 

[cindycated]

GP Heron. Sorry about the photos, only have my iPhone with me at work.

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With or without fluff in the reservoir? ( I don't put fluff in mine)
Can't tell if it's too tight or not - do you smell burning paper when you vape?
Maybe try cutting the "non-business" tail down to a nub, instead of draping it down. It could be pulling juice from the coil down to the bottom of the deck, where it's not needed. It's not like a dripper - no liquid ever makes it down there that you have to sop up. And I usually comb the "business" tail a little with a pin ever so lightly, to thin it down just a hair, and maybe go just a tad longer. Careful, if you thin it too much, your vape could get really slurpy. People try to get the wick really tight in that feed hole to keep it from sinking into the hole, but I've never had that problem - that wick isn't going anywhere, no matter how loose it is. Only problem is, if it's too loose, then it starts feeding too well. So nailing that thickness/length is what you have to play with, but once you get it, it's soooo good!

 

[JeremyR]

. People try to get the wick really tight in that feed hole to keep it from sinking into the hole, but I've never had that problem - that wick isn't going anywhere, no matter how loose it is.

Yeah I agree, rayon doesn't flop around like cotton. Its really not going anywhere once its through the hole, it holds its shape and position well.. That's why I say its moldable like clay.

 

[SoonerChris]

With or without fluff in the reservoir? ( I don't put fluff in mine)
Can't tell if it's too tight or not - do you smell burning paper when you vape?
Maybe try cutting the "non-business" tail down to a nub, instead of draping it down. It could be pulling juice from the coil down to the bottom of the deck, where it's not needed. It's not like a dripper - no liquid ever makes it down there that you have to sop up. And I usually comb the "business" tail a little with a pin ever so lightly, to thin it down just a hair, and maybe go just a tad longer. Careful, if you thin it too much, your vape could get really slurpy. People try to get the wick really tight in that feed hole to keep it from sinking into the hole, but I've never had that problem - that wick isn't going anywhere, no matter how loose it is. Only problem is, if it's too loose, then it starts feeding too well. So nailing that thickness/length is what you have to play with, but once you get it, it's soooo good!

Yes, with fluff. No burning paper. This look better?

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[cindycated]

Yes, with fluff. No burning paper. This look better?

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Looks good to me. Try it and see. You could try it without the fluff too, if it's still wicking too slowly - maybe the fluff is bogarting all your juice. The thickness/length of that upper tail is your "juice control." You just have to keep tweaking it till you get it just the way you like it. But looking at your previous pic again, I think your main problem was probably that bottom tail.You could see all that juice pooling at the bottom, that got there via that draped tail.

 

[JeremyR]

Cindy's got you.. she nailed it, and has one. The top tail is your juice control.

Just try it and let us know.

That type of tank works Great till you start messing with going out below freezing for extended times and then come Inside.. Using 90%VG makes it hard to find a balance. This is my struggle with the flashi this long winter... Summer spring and fall its Great and very consistent. Winter its inconsistent with the temp changes and high VG.

 

[qorax]

Erlkonigin Rayon Once again√

 

[cindycated]

Cindy's got you.. she nailed it, and has one. The top tail is your juice control.

Just try it and let us know.

That type of tank works Great till you start messing with going out below freezing for extended times and then come Inside.. Using 90%VG makes it hard to find a balance. This is my struggle with the flashi this long winter... Summer spring and fall its Great and very consistent. Winter its inconsistent with the temp changes and high VG.

Snap, I didn't even think of the cold weather you guys have. It's always around 60°F and sunny out here. Jeremy, if it's a metal tank, could you just torch it a little with a lighter?..if you still even have one. I stopped carrying those things a loooong time ago!