Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Cuando]

Dr. B, your coils are staying wetter due to increased efficiency in not only wicking but liquid transfer from the cc to get coil, by staying wetter your reducing / negating heat, dry hits and buildup of junk on your coils.

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This is pretty much your answer. Cellulose acts in a capillary fashion versus the 'grab and hold' of cotton. There may even be some element of the inhalation that furthers the process. Think of what a tree does on the most basic level. Without it's ability to absorb and transfer liquid, it wouldn't exist. Rayon to me seems every day to be a more efficient and perfect answer to our needs. I am having some top level vape off of this stuff. Just exquisite. Perhaps some direct inquiries to Graham would help all of us, both in their presentation of their product and our sanity as to what remains in the fiber at the end of the day. Even if they fluffed the price, for the performance I'm experiencing, twice the price would be a bargain.

 

[Tbev]

I'd be really cool if you didn't say that again Cuando, nobody wants to pay more for it... What do you think they would say "oh yeah we leave /use a bunch of crazy stuff in there don't use it" common man! Reality, we've done a bit of research and everything we've found has been pretty conclusive as to the purity n safety of the stuff.

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[Tbev]

So besides 3 of 4 of my fogger v4's being dialed in with Sally's, the have also been rewicked:
My bottom feeder: turned it up to dual coils netting half an ohm and dropped nic to 4ish
Paps lux 2.5 also up to half ohm, 9nic
Fv2 1ohmish, used existing coil streight wick cut, left tails in tank.
R91 1.2ish was on provari but doing alright on poldi.

All are kicking asss and taking names, loving the rayon.

 

[Shootist]

I think you definitely need a lubricant as you drill stainless steel because it's so hard. I'd assume standard cutting oil would do the trick. And I assume you're using one of those fancy ultra hard and sharp drill bits.

The only trick I know about in terms of drilling metal is that turpentine or paint thinner are the best cutting agents when drilling a soft metal like lead or tin. Completely off topic for vaping gear though.

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The stainless used in most atomizers isn't that hard. One reason they uise the stainless type they do is because it machines easily.

I drilled out the Hcigar Kayfun Lite + V2 I have last night. Did it by hand and the help of a pair of pliers. Drilled the main air hole out to 5/64 as that is the size of the air holes on the 2 EHPro KFL+'s I have. The one of the Hcigar was smaller and resticked air flow even if the airflow adjustment screw was removed.

Originally did it with the center pin installed holding onto the positive block. Grabbed both the positive and negative post with the pliers and drilled away. Slow speed drill of course (I've drilled metal before). Once I got near the center pin I took that out and then continued until I saw the drill bit in the center hole. I've also cleaned out the center pin center hole, with a smaller drill bit, as all 3 of the KFL+'s I have had junk in them, even after I washed and blow them out.

I also did this with a coil attached to the posts. Still using that coil.

 

[brianc11111]

lol one of my kayfuns has been in a million pieces for a couple hours now (been working on other stuff too) doing the same damn thing. I managed to drill the center post to 1/16 for the post, both horizontal and vertical. Wanted more, so now I'm doing 5/64. I've gotten about a 1/4 down the vertical and it won't go anymore, drill bit get red hot. Any tips/photos? What am I doing wrong?

i used brand new titanium bits.
do you have a drill press?
you can bathe the bit while your drilling with light lubricating oil to help cool it down.
at home depot get the dewalt titaniums for 3-4 bucks. ive got bits i just use for atties.
dont use old or dull bits...worse case scenario is a broken bit in an atty

 

[brianc11111]

Can someone confirm the Delasco balls are as good as the Sally's stuff?

i have some..havnt used any yet. ive side by side physically compared them and from what i can tell its same same

hope that helps you

 

[brianc11111]

I wonder if any of you enterprising driller-outers might post some pics illustrating this project. My 2 KFL+ clones have the 2mm airflow, and they're great, but I've also got this cheapie KFL clone which seems to have almost-zero airflow; I was thinking some of this drilling might be necessary, but it would be my husband doing it, he handles the power tools in this family, so some pics would sure help.

Andria

my camera wont post to ecf...dont know why, probly cause im not great with puters, anyway, go on youtube and search for "cloud 50"
hes got a really nice video on drilling out kf's and taifun gt's
im sure your husband knows, but tell him to use sharp, good bits

 

[super_X_drifter]

Fairly compelling views regarding organic / untreated natural cotton and the impurities trapped in the fibers or leached from the air by the fibers in the fields. That is a fact worthy of consideration.

Add in some possible residual pesticides and yes, it does sound like there may be some reason to question lesser processed cotton.

Well I have never boiled any wicking media before but I just boiled me about a foot of CC, rolled it up into a wheel (like a fruit roll up) gently wrung it out and now have it hanging in front of a small fan to dry it.

This should negate any residuals (if there were any).

After reading a bit about rayon production, I guess I'm thinking that yes CC is extruded with chemicals but once those chemicals are no longer present (as in dissipated or washed off) it must be pretty damn clean?

Anyhoo, I'm just trying to be as safe as possible. That's why I ran cotton - I thought / felt it was safe. I know their is no guarantees but I'm not wanting to look back one day and go "damn I shouldn't have vaped with (insert any vape related item here).

Yes, I've prolly ingested / inhaled, aside from cigs, a great bit more stuff I shouldn't have than many of you combined. But I'm not a dumbass young punk any more. And all the cyber badasses who don't understand why people are so concerned about this now because we "smoked this and did that". Cool. I'm not asking you to understand why I make the choices I do. You can believe and / or vape whatever the F you want. Rock freakin on. The key word is "choice" and it's MY choice.

Bottom line is were all speculating here on what's safe and what isn't with most (if not all) of what we vape. This product is no exception. There are no tests or data to support its safety in relation to vaping and who knows about the long them? Nobody. Not your doctor, not some organization that certifies textiles. Nobody.

So we have to make educated (or from the heart) guesses.

I think right now my heart feels that once that CC is dry I'm gonna wick up all three of my daily drivers and get on with it.

 

[TheKiwi]

And of course super x would be the one to sum it up perfectly.




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[JeremyR]

@Steamhead - interesting theory. I was thinking some leftover acid stuff.

Further question. Does a coil get gunked up more as the wick ages? Which might explain any chemical reaction going on.

I have been vaping some coffee juice in my dripper for a few hours. Normally that would kill it. Gunk up and we are done. I've gotten use to that with coffee juice. It's a coil killer. But with this CC it's squeaky clean after 6 hours! What gives?

My question to the veterans of this thread ---- what process/reaction is going on that keeps the coils clean?

Inquiring minds want to know.

You've got some good answers here. I'll add my thoughts.

The coil stays wetter so it doesn't gunk as fast. Gunking of the coil is caused by the coil running lean. When it approaches dry burn from poor wick transfer the heat ramps up and the juice that's left on it Carmelizes. Like a frying pan. I found out that coils were always much dryer than you think and on the edge of a dry burn condition. Say you put a piece of meat in and start frying at high temp. The pan stays clean till the liquids in the juice starts to boil off and your left with that gunk on the pan. The other way you coil gunks is residual heat on the coil after a hit when a heavy gauge coil has a lot of heat left in it and your not drawing air across to vaporize the juice will coke up on the coils.

I've found you can markedly reduce gunking by letting off the fire button 1-2 seconds before you finish your draw so the coil vaporizes the juice off its self while it's still hot and also cooling the coil down.. Instead of sitting there cooking juice with no air for vaporization.

There is another are where rayon can make your vape safer. Vg when heated to that near dry burn level or burn creates a toxin. Rayon/CCr keeps you coil from going dry and overheating causing the production of acrylimides(?). So it can reduce you exposer to this chemical.

We have had coils gunk up quickly with CCr if you use too much density te coil will gunk up.

 

[stashbldr]

Fairly compelling views regarding organic / untreated natural cotton and the impurities trapped in the fibers or leached from the air by the fibers in the fields. That is a fact worthy of consideration.

Add in some possible residual pesticides and yes, it does sound like there may be some reason to question lesser processed cotton.

I'm glad my doctor/neighbor pointed that out, about the impurities in the air getting into the raw cotton because I hadn't thought of it. He even went so far as to say "let's say a farmer has a completely natural crop, acres and acres of organically grown cotton (or anything for that matter) ... but the farmer a few miles away has pesticides flown over his crops .. those pesticides drift much further than his own crop and can affect the cotton many miles away". Of course there are other particles in the air that will get on cotton too and may not just even stay on the surface, but will leach all the way thru the cotton because it is porous.

In the meantime, happy vaping to you, I hope you come to love "Sally and her CC" as much as we do

 

[JeremyR]

Well put supe, nothing in vaping has been proven long term. And rember the op I stated also that this thread was to determine the safety and efficacy of rayon. I have for sure seen the data that shows this should be gras - generally regarded as safe.

Think of h2o, the purest form of h2o would be made in a lab. Using a reaction to combine 2 h with 1 o . No water on the planet is that pure. Not even RO. It's only max 98% filtered. So essentially the rayon is laboratory made cellulose. And after the pure cellulose bonded with sodium sulfate comes out they also state try wash it to remove excess salts.

This will be the most researched wick of all time. What wick do you have Research all the way down to the molecular level. Showing the exact chemical make up. It's so pure because they just made pure cellulose.

I'm not saying cotton is bad just in comparison. But do people know if your organic cotton that has been tested and certified free of harmful chemicals/pesticide residues?? It can come from a neiboring farm even if they don't use it. From environmental pollution also.

 

[Kataphraktos]

I wrote to someone who manages a blog on Lyocell, the most recent iteration of rayon and, in all likelihood, the safest to consider for our purposes. As I've read,the process used to make Lyocell/Tencel is more eco-friendly than previous versions (rayon and modal). In fact, the agent used to process the eucalyptus pulp is not acidic or harmful to human touch, and one can even dip a hand in without any consequences. This person seems to have been involved in getting the FDA to approve Lyocell for medical purposes as an alternative to cotton - for whatever that is worth.

While this material sounds promising, I'd like to try to source a) a product made from Lyocell and b) a product that is made for medical uses.

If he responds to my email, I'll report back with any information he imparts.

On a personal note: while being diligent and thorough on this matter is important, I cannot imagine a product used in bed sheets and undergarments could be all that dangerous. if the stuff is getting into lungs, it is getting into the lungs of countless hundreds of millions sleeping on the stuff for 1/3rd of each day.

A quick follow-up on this:

Turns out the fellow I contacted is a consultant in the industry these days, and would charge a fee to talk to me. However, he did reveal one interesting tidbit: in additional to OR swabs and dressings, Lyocell is also used in cigarette filters.

 

[brianc11111]

had to put the foiling tape back on the mods.
used it for a week before rayon. found that it increased voltage enough to the atty
that id get more dry hits. it vaped great, but i dont ike dry hits so i took it off.
now that im using rayon, i put it back on and its on like donkey kong!
the rayon can handle the voltage increase just fine!
you can get it at hobby lobby....its called stained glass foiling tape. i got the 1/4 in wide stuff.
they have a silver backed one for a dollar more. you get 36 yards for 7 bucks...what a deal!

 

[Tbev]

... are you using foil tape for bro?

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[brianc11111]

... are you using foil tape for bro?

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its made of copper and it will increase conductivity of your mod. therefore less voltage drop.
it works....noticibly

 

[brianc11111]

just line the inside of your mod bottom threads to top threads..ill use a small screwdriver to get it in the threads good

 

[super_X_drifter]

Here's all 3 freshly wicked with CC

 

[stashbldr]

I have an old Protank that I haven't used in ages, I only use Reo's but I've kept that Protank just in case of an "emergency" LOL. So yesterday, when Jeremy said he had used the CC in his wife's Evod I dragged out my Protank and wicked it with the CC, added no flavor wick. I primed it, took a few puffs and then left it standing up right for 24 hours. I just checked it, 24 hrs later ... not 1 drop has leaked out and must say it's an excellent vape. Much better than this Protank had ever vaped "back in the day". Gotta love Rayon!

 

[stashbldr]

Here's all 3 freshly wicked with CC

Woohoo ... a beautiful sight .. Ride Sally Ride