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Regarding flat flavor... Maybe that's how your juice actually tastes? Without the cotton contaminating the flavor, you only taste the juice and on some juices it's just odd.

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I know I agreed with you a moment ago, but I am having second thoughts. One of the flavors I vape is a NET tobacco in which I can taste the Cavendish, Burley, Latakia and Perique quite distinctly - Each and every one of them. I remember those flavors from my smoking days, and know exactly what they taste like. With rayon, I can taste neither one that well - just very faintly. Those flavors can not come from the cotton. Either the stuff I am using is not really rayon, or else it does not carry those flavors very well.

On a related front, who is to say the flavor from rayon is the "real" flavor - not the one from cotton? In other words like the cliche goes, " taste is subjective."
 
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I will venture that the taste from rayon is, indeed, the real taste. The reason being that rayon is "chemically" pure cellulose versus cotton which is not, no matter the source, pure cellulose. Rayon may be chemically treated in the production process but those chemicals are completely rinsed during the final stages and rayon, notoriously, rinses completely clean unlike cotton. You will find that true after you've put a few hundred milliliters of liquids through a rayon wick and the coil is gunked beyond all recognition. Rinsing under running water will restore the rayon to pristine white once again while the coil remains a black, carbonized, mass.
 

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You are making perfect sense !! I did stuff the ryan a bit tightly since I heard it has a tendency to shrink. Not sure however why it's taking a tankful for the flavor to go away.

You probably are also right on the flat flavor. My taste buds are searching for that cotton flavor, and disappointed since it's no longer there. I may decide to kick the flavor up a notch just to see the results.

The more you overstuff it, the longer it will take to get rid of the taste in the beginning. How much liquid have you put through it at this point? It could be it's just so overstuffed that it's muted. I'd say pull it and try again. It's a massive markup, but sweet-vapes has Sally's at about $1/foot if you only wanted to get a small amount.
 

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I will venture that the taste from rayon is, indeed, the real taste. The reason being that rayon is "chemically" pure cellulose versus cotton which is not, no matter the source, pure cellulose. Rayon may be chemically treated in the production process but those chemicals are completely rinsed during the final stages and rayon, notoriously, rinses completely clean unlike cotton. You will find that true after you've put a few hundred milliliters of liquids through a rayon wick and the coil is gunked beyond all recognition. Rinsing under running water will restore the rayon to pristine white once again while the coil remains a black, carbonized, mass.
I hated the taste of cotton when I started using it which led me to find and try out rayon. Never turned back.
 

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How much liquid have you put through it at this point? It could be it's just so overstuffed that it's muted. I'd say pull it and try again. It's a massive markup, but sweet-vapes has Sally's at about $1/foot if you only wanted to get a small amount.

The rayon taste almost went away after 5 ml, and now I only have the muted flavor to contend with. I will try getting some real rayon to see if that will make a difference. Will put in less this time. Thanks everyone.
 

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I did the burn test, and the stuff from the pill box is indeed rayon. In the face of such overwhelming evidence from you guys, I will have to reconsider my opinion. I will try using less material and see what happens.
Rayon from pill box will/might impart taste of whatever is in pill box
 

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I did the burn test, and the stuff from the pill box is indeed rayon. In the face of such overwhelming evidence from you guys, I will have to reconsider my opinion. I will try using less material and see what happens.

Sounds like however you wicked it was too tight.

Too tight = muted / too loose = coil dry burn at higher wattage.

Rayon responds instantly to any change in the wick parameters.

Very few get the density right on the first try but it should take no more than four to six tries to nail down the density

With each wick you make always be sure to inspect the WICk for fitment in the Coil don't be afraid to push down on the tails to see if it exposes the gap in the edge of the Coil, after about a tank, when the rayon has settled it should look somewhat reduced in size with slight shoulders, but you want to have shoulders because if you don't have shoulders up to the top of the Coils, then it's going to be too loose and you're going to get a gap at the top and it's going to want to overheat

When You first put the WIC in the tales coming out will look a huge as well as the shoulders but after you get it wet start using it get some juice and some heat put through it all the air gets purged out and all the strands will start to come together more...
This will be near the final look of your WIC - this is the part where you really want to inspect it. Also always inspect fitment before you remove any wick especially if you have a problem so you can see what's going on.

And on the tails......
In most cases, depending on rba, you will want to remove a very large portion of the fluffy tail. A tail too big will hinder the performance of rayon dramatically. It's not a sponge you don't need a lot in the wells. Even Just 5 strands of rayon going down to a dripper deck have enough transport power to feed my single coils at 40+w and dry the well too.
 
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The rayon taste almost went away after 5 ml, and now I only have the muted flavor to contend with. I will try getting some real rayon to see if that will make a difference. Will put in less this time. Thanks everyone.
It's really, really hard to overstuff with rayon, unless it's wet, so I don't think that was your problem. If it were, you'd be smelling burnt paper while you're vaping. It could be that the material got a little musty when you rinsed it out and let it dry. Maybe you're tasting the mustiness, not the rayon, that in turn might have contaminated your juice. If it was wet when you used it, you could've overstuffed it AND been vaping water, which might've diluted your juice.
 
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The issues your describing are what a new user may encounter.. It takes a little trial and error. Just like when you tried cotton for the first time. Rayon is a whole new category of wick.

Can you let me know what Atty your using and how much power?
Dang, beat me to it. I only vape non-flavored, I agree the taste is there for a few pulls, but that is it.
 
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Sorry OT...
Hey Nick what wrap is on that KBox? It looks excellent!
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DIY with 3M DI-NOC vinyl

Not sure if they still do it but a while back you could go to 3M's website and request 3 or 5 DI-NOC vinyl samples and they would ship them to you for free. That one is RS-1189

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The issues your describing are what a new user may encounter.. It takes a little trial and error. Just like when you tried cotton for the first time. Rayon is a whole new category of wick.

Can you let me know what Atty your using and how much power?

When it comes to Watts, I am a wussy - just around 10 watts on a Kayfun, 28gauge 6/5 on 2 mm. And you are right, the tails were too thick and perhaps I overstuffed the coil too much trying fill the gaps at the coil's edge.

Cyndicated, Mustiness is a very accurate description of what I was tasting. I will try Sally's and see what happens. Nice avatar BTW.

Update: Just got word that they carry the stuff at my local Sally's. Going there right now !!
 
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When it comes to Watts, I am a wussy - just around 10 watts on a Kayfun, 28gauge 6/5 on 2 mm. And you are right, the tails were too thick and perhaps I overstuffed the coil too much trying fill the gaps at the coil's edge.

Cyndicated, Mustiness is a very accurate description of what I was tasting. I will try Sally's and see what happens. BTW, nice avatar.
If you have access to a computer watch *gasp* RipTripper's video on pancake wicking. Makes a world of difference. Basically it involves cutting the wicks somewhat short, put juice on them and fan them out like a round flower without touching the walls of the deck sleeve, leaving the juice channels open.

I was getting occasional dry hits or off tasting hits in my Subtank Mini until I did this.
 

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Thank you. [emoji106]

DIY with 3M DI-NOC vinyl

Not sure if they still do it but a while back you could go to 3M's website and request 3 or 5 DI-NOC vinyl samples and they would ship them to you for free. That one is RS-1189
Thanks for the info!
Samples are US only and no options on the Canadian site. ;)
 

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Rayon from pill box will/might impart taste of whatever is in pill box
also wash hands b4 using/touching rayon, oils from skin will also transfer to rayon.
they do sell smaller boxes of rayon at sallys for about $5, usually out of stock but not really cost effective buying smaller box but good if u only want to try it out but will still last u a very long time
 
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