Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[vapdivrr]

Every build on every KFL+ V2 I have has given me the Overly SWEET taste that I don't get from cotton.. This new juice was Tribute from Juicy Vapor and when I tried it in another KF wicked with cotton it was sweet but not as sweet in the KF wicked with Rayon.

I tried tasting the Rayon and I think I got a sweet taste from it but then I notice that my mouth was filled with fibers. Not a great idea.

same here, I do love the rayons abilities for sure, no doubt this stuff wicks like crazy but in my kayfun devices after 3 days im starting to not enjoy the overly sweet taste it gives to my juices. its just what were used to, maybe the juice is supposed to taste like this and the rayon is bringing out a more correct taste, who knows but after a year or so of using cotton I got used to the taste. but I tend to think it is the rayon actually changing the flavor of the juices because im starting to notice the same sweet taste in a variety of juices. haven't tried boiling, so if someone has and noticed this helped with the sweetness, please post. I put some rayon in my fogger v-4, with cotton if you put the cotton actually down into the channels it just will not wick so its best to just rest the cotton onto the top of channels, well with the rayon it flooded when I wicked like with the cotton, I then jammed the rayon down the channels(sort of how your supposed to do it) and amazing, it wicked like crazy, you couldn't do that with cotton in that atty. also did a set up in the aqua, knowing how good the rayon works I fully wicked the channels with no issues. I would certainly 100 percent switch to this rayon if it wasn't for the overly sweet taste its giving to all my juices

 

[Fisheeboy]

One of the things that has really impressed me is how smooth it has made my vape. I mixed up some watermelon with a hint of menthol that I've been dripping for a week or so and I couldn't get a nice lung hit form it without it torching my throat. But with the rayon it really smooths it out and I can take lung hits no problem. That's really baffling to me that there would be such a difference between the cotton and rayon. Why would there be such a difference in the smoothness like that?

 

[PaulBHC]

I did a DIY NET a month ago and it was slightly sweet. Another this weekend and it too was sweet. Then another and no sweet at all. I thought it might be the vg in the base but not so with the 3rd. The second and third were vaped with rayon in the same dripper.

My thoughts so far is that rayon makes sweet, sweeter. My favorite RY4 is so much better. Another lab tobacco with a hint of apple is more harsh. Had to play with the watts to get something just ok.

 

[BNEAT]

It does have a pretty noticeable different in the feel compared to cotton. It is hard to explain the feel but it is not the same. It's kinda like squeaky but not squeaky. I'm not saying it actually squeaks but it has that "maybe this is what a squeak would feel like if I pinched a squeak kinda feel"

LOL, Best post of the whole damn thread!

 

[tmcase]

It does have a pretty noticeable different in the feel compared to cotton. It is hard to explain the feel but it is not the same. It's kinda like squeaky but not squeaky. I'm not saying it actually squeaks but it has that "maybe this is what a squeak would feel like if I pinched a squeak kinda feel"

Exactly.

 

[BK_Malik]

Found some medical grade rayon balls here: - Search Results for "sterile balls rayon" ...seventh down from the top ($28).

and here... http://www.pricefalls.com/product/Medline-MDS21470-Rayon-Balls-Medium-1-inch-diameter/179298?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=PLA-SC&utm_content=74093693791&utm_campaign=

They're non-sterile though so I don't know what if any the advantage would be...

Thoughts Jeremy and/or anybody with some knowledge of this kind of thing?

 

[brianc11111]

Anyone actually used/tried both the Sally's and Delasco - if so did you see any noticeable or significant difference in the wicking and/or vape?

i have some delasco's and will wick with it today or tomorrow

 

[Shootist]

i tasted the sallys earlier and it tasted like paper, but not salty or sweet....
i have some rayon balls from delasco and i tasted it and the taste was very neutral...pretty much no taste at all.
maybe you can order some from delasco...or pm me your addy and ill send you some rayon balls to try

PM Sent. Thank you.

 

[PoROVAaRI]

I could use some rayon balls in Finland too, but can't seem to find any


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[Wow1420]

I did a DIY NET a month ago and it was slightly sweet. Another this weekend and it too was sweet. Then another and no sweet at all. I thought it might be the vg in the base but not so with the 3rd. The second and third were vaped with rayon in the same dripper.

My thoughts so far is that rayon makes sweet, sweeter. My favorite RY4 is so much better. Another lab tobacco with a hint of apple is more harsh. Had to play with the watts to get something just ok.

Just a thought on the sweetness, when we use silica or cotton, the wick gets all gunked up. I´ve always thought the gunk was caramelized sugar and flavoring. So now, with rayon, the wick isn't gunking up (for some reason). That means the majority of the sugar and flavor molecules must be making it into the vapor instead of forming gunk on the coil.

I don't think the rayon is adding anything, it's letting all the existing flavor pass from wick to vapor.

 

[brianc11111]

just wicked up the taifun with delasco's rayon balls...
too early to tell, but i dont notice any difference between delascos and sally's.
ill vape it all day and report back

 

[MikeE3]

We may hear something this weekend. In the mean time you can see here and here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...56040.html?highlight=Rayon+balls#post13356040
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...56040.html?highlight=Rayon+balls#post13356040

I would lean towards the delasco or equivalent for you to try out.

Thanks for the answer. I've been using CC in a couple R91s & a Taifun GT for about a week. A friend sent me some to try. So I'll look into getting some of the delasco and I can return the favor and sent him some of it.

For a ~2.3mm ID coil I'm using about 1/2 the width of the roll and on a 2mm ID coil a little less than 1/2 the width. Seems to be working OK for me like this. I had been using ReadyXwick and the CC seems to wick better. My juice tastes a 'tad' different but I'm not getting any of that 'sweetness' some folks are talking about. My juices are fruit flavors.

 

[JeremyR]

Just a thought on the sweetness, when we use silica or cotton, the wick gets all gunked up. I´ve always thought the gunk was caramelized sugar and flavoring. So now, with rayon, the wick isn't gunking up (for some reason). That means the majority of the sugar and flavor molecules must be making it into the vapor instead of forming gunk on the coil.

I don't think the rayon is adding anything, it's letting all the existing flavor pass from wick to vapor.

This is what I've always noticed. The flavors are intensified. There is no muting like you would typically have with an ecig. You get the pure flavor.. Like drinking it not burning it.

So if there's sweetness say in a muting kanger stock wick you would need a lot of sweetner to taste it where as here you get 100% of the the sweetness or whatever flavor.

My adv right now is hangsens Arabic tobacco. I only need 2-3% where others using other devices/wicks use 7-9% to get a comparable flavor!

Most flavorings need to/ can be reduced by 50%. If not, it's like before you had rayon and used twice as much flavoring. If it was a sweet juice it would be way too sweet.

Vendor juices are made with this muting in mind so people don't complain if the have stock silica wicks.

Or like going from a ce4 to a kayfun.

Rayon does change everything.

 

[twgbonehead]

Is there any other known medicine bottles that have the rayon other than the Spring Valley?
My dad has a big ol' bottle of Nutramax joint stuff and the packing material looks identical to the rayon and it passes the burn test with flying colors.
Any thoughts?

You can tell by the feel (at least comparing a cotton ball to CC). The cc is kind of "squeaky" and feels almost oily when you rub it between two fingers. The cotton does not squeak and feels much drier.

By "squeaky" I mean it kind of vibrates.

Edit: Sorry, late to the party again.......

 

[awsum140]

From what I understand of chemistry and gunk build-up, which is not a whole heck of a lot, the gunk is a polymer made from the heat reacting with carbon, oxygen and other atoms. There are carbon atoms in PG and VG but sweet liquids have tons more by comparison which is why they gunk up so much faster than "dry" flavors.

If the coil is always wet, covered in liquid, the exposure to air, oxygen, will be greatly reduced as well. My "swag" guess is that the overly sweet taste is a result of more of the molecules of the flavors remaining intact and making it into the vapor. If you adjust the concentrations, IE dilute the liquids, you will be saving on liquid costs plus have the advantage of longer life for wicks and coils.

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[stashbldr]

Just a thought on the sweetness, when we use silica or cotton, the wick gets all gunked up. I´ve always thought the gunk was caramelized sugar and flavoring. So now, with rayon, the wick isn't gunking up (for some reason). That means the majority of the sugar and flavor molecules must be making it into the vapor instead of forming gunk on the coil.

I don't think the rayon is adding anything, it's letting all the existing flavor pass from wick to vapor.

I think you are right, never thought of it this way .. great thinking!

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks for the answer. I've been using CC in a couple R91s & a Taifun GT for about a week. A friend sent me some to try. So I'll look into getting some of the delasco and I can return the favor and sent him some of it.

For a ~2.3mm ID coil I'm using about 1/2 the width of the roll and on a 2mm ID coil a little less than 1/2 the width. Seems to be working OK for me like this. I had been using ReadyXwick and the CC seems to wick better. My juice tastes a 'tad' different but I'm not getting any of that 'sweetness' some folks are talking about. My juices are fruit flavors.

Thanks for posting mike.. And thanks for the pics! Glad you like it.

The flavor is different because your not constantly getting partial dry hits which do more to burn the juice & gunk the coil. I think a lot of the flavor complaints have more to do with the flavorings used. Are your fruits poppin'?

Looks decent from here. As long as the wick stays the size of the od of the coil, no smaller than the id. Your good! ... If performance falls off due to getting smaller than id, try using a little bit more next time.

 

[JeremyR]

From what I understand of chemistry and gunk build-up, which is not a whole heck of a lot, the gunk is a polymer made from the heat reacting with carbon, oxygen and other atoms. There are carbon atoms in PG and VG but sweet liquids have tons more by comparison which is why they gunk up so much faster than "dry" flavors.

If the coil is always wet, covered in liquid, the exposure to air, oxygen, will be greatly reduced as well. My "swag" guess is that the overly sweet taste is a result of more of the molecules of the flavors remaining intact and making it into the vapor. If you adjust the concentrations, IE dilute the liquids, you will be saving on liquid costs plus have the advantage of longer life for wicks and coils.
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I found your post the be a very accurate description/ generalization.

And to take it a step further, theses polymers created are also those believed to have negative effects. Thus rayon makes a safer vape. And my lungs can tell a difference. I cough much less and have Much less phlem off the 100vg. Even though I'm vaping much more of it!

Makes you wonder huh?

 

[PaulBHC]

Thoughts on wicks

I have been vaping 6 months this time around. A bunch of top coil clearos and Kanger and Aspire bottom coils. Mostly around 2 ohms. I got an MVP with an iClear 30 top dual coil with long fat wicks at 2.2. I usually get a good enough vape with 7 watts on the other stuff but the 30 has always needed 8-9 watts to produce and then it does it well. Leaks and gurgle drove me away until I tried more VG ratio. Point is that the long fat wicks must keep the coils fed better and require more power to produce vapor. With rayon I am getting a similar situation but some liquids need higher and some are too strong and need lower to mute them until I can mix them different.

 

[BNEAT]

I'm not sure about the rest of you people, but I figured out what the dude was trying to say