response from Senator Dianne Feinstein

[BackDoc]

Liberals, or should i say Socialists like Diane Frankenstein are nothing more than Fascists with the Veneer of "looking out for the public good" , when in reality they are in effect seeking Control, and they are getting it..............over every little aspect of our pathetic lives when we vote for them and actually Believe the Lies they tell..............somewhat off topic, and most likely offensive to some but that's the way it goes.......................

 

[EddardinWinter]

I got lost somewhere, maybe.

I don't think anyone was saying "DON'T JOIN" - just a couple of us saying that some people don't make the proposition attractive.

It is less about CASAA, and more about the tone in the forum at times, I think.

I have certainly gone overboard and typed a thing or two I wish I had not. So when this topic comes up, I always try to look in the mirror. Some of my first forums were political ones, which I have vowed to remain away from. My sponsor says it is best for me and my family that I make a commitment to never return... I try to be fair, sometimes I succeed. I suspect there are others here who are veterans of these forums and have a hard time putting away that style of posting when they come here. I believe my experience here has allowed me to tone down my delivery, but it is a work in progress.

I appreciate your clarification, diggy. No doubt, some members of ECF who are also CASAA members are over-zealous. I can think of a few who are not (and will likely not ever join) who can be described the same way.

It is certainly true that being overly aggressive will do nothing to improve CASAA's membership, as has been correctly stated. As members of CASAA (not spokespeople) we have to be cognizant of the fact that people will judge an organization (rightfully so!) by the conduct of its members. So if anyone is turned off from the organization by my conduct, I have to take note of it and consider my responsibility, as I suppose any of the members posting here regularly should. I suppose whether we like it or not, there is a greater degree of responsibility.

If there is the perception of a problem, I suppose it is a problem.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I'm not going to speak for Anyone but myself. But to me, it has Nothing to do with Political Views.

What I have (have had) a problem with is a certain ECF member who Rams Joining CASAA down people's throat's. Making it sound as if a ECF Member is not a Member of CASAA that they are not doing there part. And are in fact, the Problem.

I believe that the Member is Sincere about their Motivations for people Joining CASAA. But Shaming people into joining any Organization is a Bad Practice.

I personally do not agree 100% with some of the Official Views or Positions that CASAA takes. But then again, I don't agree 100% with ANY Organizations Views or Position. The world just Isn't Black or White.

But I do Agree with the Overall Direction the CASAA takes regarding the Fair Use of e-Cigarettes. And I have a High Level of Respect for the Tireless effort of Many of the Active CASAA members.


The View of One Individual does Not, in my mind, Tarnish the Hard work that CASAA has done on behalf of All e-Cigarette user's.

It is all well said.

The bolded part is absolutely, 100% correct.

 

[Pickleskunk]

The main goal at hand, is to keep our freedom of choice to vape. Arguing over which party is right or wrong takes our eye off the ball, and plays right into the plans of BP and BT who want the market to themselves, and the politicians who cater to them. Career politicians flip-flop on issues, flat out lie, pander, etc. all for one goal- to stay in power, as they slowly grant more power to themselves. We need to stand together and present clear and precise rebuttals to their reasons for regulation. Educating the public and disproving the lies should be the priority, no matter your political views. Both sides have politicians who are anti-vaping. It's about freedom. And it's VERY scary when they want to restrict freedom of choice to use an alternative to the leading cancer-causing product. I could go on a rant here, but we all need to keep our eyes on the ball. In this fight, we aren't a party member, we're Americans, fighting for our constitutionally defined freedom.

 

[Luisa]

The main goal at hand, is to keep our freedom of choice to vape. Arguing over which party is right or wrong takes our eye off the ball, and plays right into the plans of BP and BT who want the market to themselves, and the politicians who cater to them. Career politicians flip-flop on issues, flat out lie, pander, etc. all for one goal- to stay in power, as they slowly grant more power to themselves. We need to stand together and present clear and precise rebuttals to their reasons for regulation. Educating the public and disproving the lies should be the priority, no matter your political views. Both sides have politicians who are anti-vaping. It's about freedom. And it's VERY scary when they want to restrict freedom of choice to use an alternative to the leading cancer-causing product. I could go on a rant here, but we all need to keep our eyes on the ball. In this fight, we aren't a party member, we're Americans, fighting for our constitutionally defined freedom.

Please read the history of our fight to keep ecigs legal and without absurd restrictions.. Go the the CASAA site and you will find this information. Unfortunately,most of our problems have been with one Party with the exception of Utah.

 

[Uma]

I finally received a reply from senator freakinstein. It's a duplicate of OP's, no surprise. I'll try to compose a reply tomorrow, right now I can't stop yelling at her to stop treating her employers (us civilians) like ignorant children.

Thank you for contacting me to express your views about electronic cigarettes. I appreciate the time you took to write and welcome this opportunity to respond.

As you know, electronic cigarettes, or "e-cigarettes," typically contain liquid nicotine which is vaporized and inhaled by the user. I recognize that these devices have become popular in recent years and that some individuals have been able to use them successfully as smoking cessation aids.

While I am a strong supporter of smoking cessation aids, I believe it is important that consumers have accurate information about their safety and effectiveness. Nicotine is a highly addictive and dangerous drug, and some public health groups have expressed concern that e-cigarettes may be marketed to children and other vulnerable populations as a "safe" alternative to traditional cigarettes. In addition, there is a lack of research about the effectiveness of electronic cigarettes as smoking cessation aids and about the safety of these products, some of which have been found to contain traces of toxic chemicals. Courts have ruled that e-cigarette manufacturers must submit evidence of a product's safety and effectiveness in controlling cigarette cravings before advertising an e-cigarette for this purpose.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, signed into law in 2009, gave the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authority to regulate cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco products. In addition, the Act gave the FDA authority to issue a "deeming rule" making other tobacco-containing products subject to FDA regulation. To date, the FDA has not issued a "deeming rule" for electronic cigarettes, and these products remain unregulated by the FDA.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act also requires that the FDA investigate new ways to ensure the safety and effectiveness of smoking cessation products, and to promote their use. On December 17, 2012, the FDA held a public hearing and invited comments via its website about smoking cessation. After reviewing these comments, the FDA will issue a report to Congress with proposals about ways to promote smoking cessation products and ensure their safety. Please know that I have made note of your support for e-cigarettes, and will keep it in mind as I review the FDA's report.

Again, thank you for writing. If you have additional questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841 or visit my website at United States Senator Dianne Feinstein. Best regards.

Also, may I take this opportunity to wish you a happy and healthy holiday season.

Sincerely yours,


Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

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maybe I'll copy/paste the letter to the FDA by the Docs to her.
Leading Researchers Urge FDA to Regulate E-Cigarettes Lightly - Yahoo Finance

 

[Topfuel1997]

I hate everything this woman stands for..... she is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. Period.

 

[molimelight]

Send her a copy of this. It's a precise, accurate rebuttal of all of the fallacies she listed in her response. (Click on the link and then save it to read the PDF.)

Shamelessly copied from another thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ommissioner-u-s-food-drug-administration.html

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Underneath every liberal is a totalitatian dying to get out.

Liberals, or should i say Socialists like Diane Frankenstein are nothing more than Fascists with the Veneer of "looking out for the public good" , when in reality they are in effect seeking Control, and they are getting it..............over every little aspect of our pathetic lives when we vote for them and actually Believe the Lies they tell..............somewhat off topic, and most likely offensive to some but that's the way it goes.......................

 

[molimelight]

Underneath every liberal is a totalitatian dying to get out.

And underneath every religious right wing republican male is a gay guy dying to get out...

I mean, really. How helpful to the OP's original post is any of this nonsense? There are plenty of right wingers that I despise, but the one thing I have to give them credit for is that they go to work each day and try in whatever way they feel is best to make this country better. Other than service members or those who work for the government as employees or elected officials, how much have any of the critics here done to improve their community? And don't give me that weak nonsense about, "I pay my taxes." So what, that's part of the deal if you want roads, police, firemen, ambulances, and an army. If you don't agree with Ms. Feinstein (or any Democrat or Republican) then work to change her mind rather than call her names. Or better yet, if you can do it better, put your money and effort where your mouth is and get elected or apply for a government service job.

And fix your spell check, it's "totalitarian."

 

[Uma]

Send her a copy of this. It's a precise, accurate rebuttal of all of the fallacies she listed in her response. (Click on the link and then save it to read the PDF.)

Shamelessly copied from another thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ommissioner-u-s-food-drug-administration.html

Thanks!! I'll send it right away.