First time I heard about ECA was when we were discussing the ways to stave off U.S. government intervention and keep e-cigs in the U.S. market, in one of the other threads in this forum. Lacey jumped in and indicated she was forming a industry self-regulatory organization. We were very glad to hear that.
As I learn more about the ECA, it is becoming clear to me that what ECA has in mind is quite different than what we envisioned in the thread discussion:
Recently, FDA allowed an unapproved drug (liquid morphine) to remain on the market, until an approved version become available. In the e-cig legal battle in the US, something like this would be, in my view, the best possible and realistic scenario for us.
To make this happen, I thought we needed an org with two goals:
1) Credible Self-regulatory Framework: liquid morphine is currently, even without FDA approval, regulated or controlled by DEA and AMA. We don't have anything equivalent to this. You need a board of scientific experts who can design standards that both FDA and Congress can buy into.
2) New Drug Application: non-profit cooperative to go though the NDA process. After the approval turn it into shared manufacturing / lab to produce product for each coop member for each members specs within the parameters of FDA approval.
In short, the org enables suppliers pool the resources to go through NDA, while you are continously funded through ongoing sales to customers like us. Also, you are gaining a storng foothold in the most likely to be multi-billion dollar U.S. e-cig market while you are going through NDA. This is a lot better deal that most pharmaceuticals get.
That's what I thought ECA is going to do. However, the more I read about ECA, it is not that (e.g. their self-regulaton is not what I thought). More of a trade association with guidelines. Nothing I said applies to international vendors (Canada, UK, etc), other than, maybe if any of these applies to their government, some might find it interesting. Why would Canadian venors pay for lobbying US lawmakers?
There is nothing wrong with ECA is what it is or it is going to be. It was just miscommunication and misunderstanding on my part. But, having said that,
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST SMOKEY JOE TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE THREAD "SHUT DOWN ALL VENDORS..."
Because the thread was closed, I can't even edit even though edit time is not expired. If ECA is just a trade association, what I said could be illegal nor I have that much passion to support them. On this ground I request that the thread is removed (or give me a chance to revise my posts).
Indeed, I would be quite mindful joining a lobbying organization that pays lobbyist and organizers for lobbying to keeping e-cigs legal. Without NDA?
Money now for what purposes in the future? Guidelines and talking with lawmakers? Personally it sounds somewhat fishy to me.
In fact if you make e-cig legal, wouldn't big pharma and tobacco jump in? What about revised Premiere or Eclipes coming in with national advertising? Well at least I guess ECA is better than nothing. Best wishes.
I am just a consumer, expressing my view. Sorry if anyone got offended. Even if e-cigs are pulled off the US market, I am pretty sure I can still buy them from China or Canada. Also, I am pretty sure many of the suppliers are smart enough to set up a online shop at sunny beach of Bahamas.
Good luck!
As I learn more about the ECA, it is becoming clear to me that what ECA has in mind is quite different than what we envisioned in the thread discussion:
Recently, FDA allowed an unapproved drug (liquid morphine) to remain on the market, until an approved version become available. In the e-cig legal battle in the US, something like this would be, in my view, the best possible and realistic scenario for us.
To make this happen, I thought we needed an org with two goals:
1) Credible Self-regulatory Framework: liquid morphine is currently, even without FDA approval, regulated or controlled by DEA and AMA. We don't have anything equivalent to this. You need a board of scientific experts who can design standards that both FDA and Congress can buy into.
2) New Drug Application: non-profit cooperative to go though the NDA process. After the approval turn it into shared manufacturing / lab to produce product for each coop member for each members specs within the parameters of FDA approval.
In short, the org enables suppliers pool the resources to go through NDA, while you are continously funded through ongoing sales to customers like us. Also, you are gaining a storng foothold in the most likely to be multi-billion dollar U.S. e-cig market while you are going through NDA. This is a lot better deal that most pharmaceuticals get.
That's what I thought ECA is going to do. However, the more I read about ECA, it is not that (e.g. their self-regulaton is not what I thought). More of a trade association with guidelines. Nothing I said applies to international vendors (Canada, UK, etc), other than, maybe if any of these applies to their government, some might find it interesting. Why would Canadian venors pay for lobbying US lawmakers?
There is nothing wrong with ECA is what it is or it is going to be. It was just miscommunication and misunderstanding on my part. But, having said that,
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST SMOKEY JOE TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE THREAD "SHUT DOWN ALL VENDORS..."
Because the thread was closed, I can't even edit even though edit time is not expired. If ECA is just a trade association, what I said could be illegal nor I have that much passion to support them. On this ground I request that the thread is removed (or give me a chance to revise my posts).
Indeed, I would be quite mindful joining a lobbying organization that pays lobbyist and organizers for lobbying to keeping e-cigs legal. Without NDA?
Money now for what purposes in the future? Guidelines and talking with lawmakers? Personally it sounds somewhat fishy to me.
In fact if you make e-cig legal, wouldn't big pharma and tobacco jump in? What about revised Premiere or Eclipes coming in with national advertising? Well at least I guess ECA is better than nothing. Best wishes.
I am just a consumer, expressing my view. Sorry if anyone got offended. Even if e-cigs are pulled off the US market, I am pretty sure I can still buy them from China or Canada. Also, I am pretty sure many of the suppliers are smart enough to set up a online shop at sunny beach of Bahamas.
Good luck!