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EU ENVI Committee Votes to Ban Ecigs - Blog
EU ENVI Committee Votes to Ban Ecigs - Blog
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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Thanks. I've had a day to think about it, and this is how I think it'll play out.
Just hope I'm wrong somewhere
Just hope I'm wrong somewhere
Alarmingly this looks like a very feasible scenario 
You only have to put yourself into the shoes of a fat cat shareholder-and think "how can I milk this dry"
You only have to put yourself into the shoes of a fat cat shareholder-and think "how can I milk this dry"
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Pretty gloomy, have been depressed all day. Still can't really believe that this can happen. I have never really taken much notice of the corporate conspiricies of which i am a victim, but then most only exploit me rather than kill me. My question would be, as it is likely that medical classifacation may be overturned, what precedents are there about overturning tobacco classification? What can I personally do to campaign, bearing in mind that MEPS/MPs are not listening? Can I now start being rude and accusatory in correspondence? Where can I get a 40 year supply of VAMOS and DIY juice?
Nicotine is the currency that all of this market trades on-I dont use it, but not everyone will get their head round that
It's a good question, actually. I'm not Rolygate, of course. I'll just try to give my own answer.
It doesn't matter if we are going to be calm and collected or accusatory and sarcastic (like I've been and am going to be even more, btw). To each his own way. What matters is that they we all keep saying what we think clear and loud. And not stop until we get our freedom to vape guaranteed.
ECB
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very succinct, but for those of us who do use nicotine, this presents a problem, the first step in the battle for our hearts and lungs has just been taken. 1-0 to the Bigs.
Good, time tp unleash then. Am concerned that communication from vapers is now being written off as astrturf, regardless of how much I like this euphamism, going to be a long hard battle.
I can see your point. However, I think that we do not have a single reason to be on the defensive.
If someone accuses me of being an e-cig lobbyist - well, I wish I were one. E-cigarette is the best thing that has happened to smokers and I would like to help make as many people as possible familiar with these products and able to make their own choice.
If someone accuses me of being e-cig affiliate - Yes, I am and I am proud of that. See the paragraph above. And I am working hard and learning even harder.
I simply don't care what they say. I know what e-cig has done for the health of my family and my own.
ECB
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I agree entirely and am always happy to talk to people about e cigs, my new device rarely fails to attract comment, I have also never been such a pro active advocate of any thing before. I am currently organising a buying night for interested friends so i can talk them through products and help with ordering and such like. Until last week i had bever written to an elected representative, now I have written to ten. The point I wanted to make was that it makes me angry that this effort should be deliberately written off as part of a mass produced campaign and some how artificial.
Not sure what the next step is, at this time...
The trade will start their attack on the pharmaceutical classification, and will probably win that one. It will cost some dough but they have the resources.
Now a legal expert needs to look at the tobacco classification provisions for ecigs in the TPD, post-amendment, post-vote. It is so complex now that I have no idea what is still in there or what the implications are. Then, there is the issue of when/how they will start to enforce those clauses.
Rebecca Taylor MEP reports that the (tobacco products) web sales ban failed but the ban on all flavours passed. This I interpret to mean as:
- If they can apply tobacco classification to ecig products
- Then all flavours will be prohibited
But nobody knows the full details at this time. All I can say about it is: let's say you have several tens of millions of Euros to apply to a problem. The problem is ecigs, and how they will cut your income by 60%. You have enough funding to buy the absolute best advisers anywhere in the world. You set them to work in the EU administration and they spend several millions on getting various bits of regulation voted through (the TPD and various amendments). The aim is to protect cigarette sales at all cost, as this will protect everybody else's income (and you have some friends to help you who also have big funding and good contacts).
Now assuming all this to be the case, do you really expect that they would screw up by getting a medical licensing rule passed when it is almost certain this will be overturned? No, and I don't think so either. Unless that was the worst €20 million that anyone ever spent and all the advisers are fools. Not likely.
A tobacco classification is sure to be the fallback plan, the question is how they will use it.
The trade will start their attack on the pharmaceutical classification, and will probably win that one. It will cost some dough but they have the resources.
Now a legal expert needs to look at the tobacco classification provisions for ecigs in the TPD, post-amendment, post-vote. It is so complex now that I have no idea what is still in there or what the implications are. Then, there is the issue of when/how they will start to enforce those clauses.
Rebecca Taylor MEP reports that the (tobacco products) web sales ban failed but the ban on all flavours passed. This I interpret to mean as:
- If they can apply tobacco classification to ecig products
- Then all flavours will be prohibited
But nobody knows the full details at this time. All I can say about it is: let's say you have several tens of millions of Euros to apply to a problem. The problem is ecigs, and how they will cut your income by 60%. You have enough funding to buy the absolute best advisers anywhere in the world. You set them to work in the EU administration and they spend several millions on getting various bits of regulation voted through (the TPD and various amendments). The aim is to protect cigarette sales at all cost, as this will protect everybody else's income (and you have some friends to help you who also have big funding and good contacts).
Now assuming all this to be the case, do you really expect that they would screw up by getting a medical licensing rule passed when it is almost certain this will be overturned? No, and I don't think so either. Unless that was the worst €20 million that anyone ever spent and all the advisers are fools. Not likely.
A tobacco classification is sure to be the fallback plan, the question is how they will use it.
Same thing here. Everyone in my house has been asked questions daily. Especially my daughter who is most sociable among us.
Of course I can't and don't want to justify them. But I can explain them.
They have nothing. Nothing as far as truth is concerned.
Half of active members here vaping for years now. Alive and well.
No ill efects of passive vaping.
No carcinogens in e-cig.
Big pharm NRT effectivenes: 5%.
Big pharm making big money on chemotherapies
Tobacco harm - fact
They are the genuine bad guys here. They need to come up with nouns and adjectives that are targeted to smear our efforts. And our personalities. So we are now artificial grass somebody "planted". Next thing you know we'll be named something else and worse. So, prepare to get angrier. Or better yet, prepare not to care
Cheers
ECB
They are the genuine bad guys here. They need to come up with nouns and adjectives that are targeted to smear our efforts. And our personalities. So we are now artificial grass somebody "planted". Next thing you know we'll be named something else and worse. So, prepare to get angrier. Or better yet, prepare not to care
Cheers
ECB
I agree with everything you say, except "Or better yet, prepare not to care." DON'T YOU DARE EVEN THINK THAT!!! Get angry. Get angrier. Don't give up the fight. Stay angry until the powers that be agree to step back and leave us alone. Keep shouting until they can't not listen. Screw their BP backers and Big Control and the ANTZ and lost tobacco tax revenue and astroturfing and "lack of proof that vaping works." We are an army; our cause is just. Lock and load your eGo's and Provaris!
whew!
what I said was not about giving up. On the contrary. It was about acting in a way that suits your personality. That's when people are doing things the right way (when they are doing it their way). The part about "not to care" refers to not letting the negative words someone else says about you block you from anything you intended to do.
Cheers
ECB
Angry is driving my every waking thought at present, have just read and re read the WHO TFI statement, which has not really helped. I am not sure why I cant believe all this is happening as it makes perfect sense from a big pharma/big tobacco perspective, but the feel an an awful sense of let down from the officials who voted this through. Any way AgentAnia, the Vamo is fouble stacked, locked and loaded like a bazooka of truth, let me know where to aim it.
George Orwell wasn't too far off the date, was he. "Controlled genocide" by the United Corporations of the West is my first reaction.
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