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Mikenet

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Look you could be legit. I been flamed to often. Just Goggle RTS Vapes and the second, third and forth postings are all 100 post threads on other forums of how a rotten liar and con artist I am with Google satellite pictures of my properties in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. All their accusations are months old and every day we are in business shows they spoke out their rear end. But all their lies are there for my bank's loan officer to review and use to turn me down for a small business loan. And much more you probably do not care about.

So when you stumble and fall on my thread asking my customers instead of me questions I have suspicions because I have had my character wrongfully assassinated in the past. If you want reviews, go to my website. Our software, Volusion, does not let us edit or delete so you get negative reviews as well as positive.

That sucks dude, just dont let all the flamers put you in a position where you forget that there are legit folks out their. Some of whom may have a tough question or two but I think most of us are well intentioned. You probably are yourself, I have no reason to think otherwise at this point.

However the thing that concerns me about buying 100mg nicotine is that it's poisonous at those concentrations. When mixing my own liquids I want to be sure that they are close to the MG stated on the bottle, then of course I have to be sure to follow all mixing procedures to get a solid end product. It's nothing personal, I'll be running the same nicotine test on any other NIC base I buy, from any site. There are too many stories of people getting "bad batches", or mislabeled bottles, know what I mean?

If a PV doesnt work, you just get a new one, or a new battery, switch, or extension. If a 100mg nic base turns out to be 200mg, it could make a person sick or worse. Thats just my nature anyway, Mr. thorough. lol
 

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That sucks dude, just dont let all the flamers put you in a position where you forget that there are legit folks out their. Some of whom may have a tough question or two but I think most of us are well intentioned. You probably are yourself, I have no reason to think otherwise at this point.

However the thing that concerns me about buying 100mg nicotine is that it's poisonous at those concentrations. When mixing my own liquids I want to be sure that they are close to the MG stated on the bottle, then of course I have to be sure to follow all mixing procedures to get a solid end product. It's nothing personal, I'll be running the same nicotine test on any other NIC base I buy, from any site. There are too many stories of people getting "bad batches", or mislabeled bottles, know what I mean?

If a PV doesnt work, you just get a new one, or a new battery, switch, or extension. If a 100mg nic base turns out to be 200mg, it could make a person sick or worse. Thats just my nature anyway, Mr. thorough. lol

Look I am not in the business of defending a competitor but I would need to see a professional nicotine test if I were a juror on a jury before condemning or convicting his company. He has been in business for years and not poisoned anyone. Before we started selling nicotine I used to buy from him. We believe our nicotine is superior to his but we are concerned he may be on vacation and not able to respond. We honestly do not believe you can use that $16 E-bay homemade test to destroy him. Why? It is not scientific enough and it just is not fair, we would not want to be put in the same situation. We are not saying he is "not guilty" of the claims but we think the response needs to be thought out, logical, scientific and reasonable before hanging him.

I am 54 years old and was a heavy smoker for 38 years. I have had a few accidents with pure liquid nicotine and lived through it with no side effects. Just don't get it on your mucous membranes. Yes 1000 mg and 100 mg is poison and can kill a child who never smoked or vaped before on contact. However, it is not like cyanide like some people portray it or I would be dead. 100 mg nicotine splashed on my hands does not even phase me. I just wipe it off and then wash my hands. God forbid I will probably regret saying that.

Edit: For reference, I vape 30 ml per week of 24 mg.
 
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Look I am not in the business of defending a competitor but I would need to see a professional nicotine test if I were a juror on a jury before condemning or convicting his company. He has been in business for years and not poisoned anyone. Before we started selling nicotine I used to buy from him. We believe our nicotine is superior to his but we are concerned he may be on vacation and not able to respond. We honestly do not believe you can use that $16 E-bay homemade test to destroy him. Why? It is not scientific enough and it just is not fair, we would not want to be put in the same situation. We are not saying he is "not guilty" of the claims but we think the response needs to be thought out, logical, scientific and reasonable before hanging him.

I am 54 years old and was a heavy smoker for 38 years. I have had a few accidents with pure liquid nicotine and lived through it with no side effects. Just don't get it on your mucous membranes. Yes 1000 mg and 100 mg is poison and can kill a child who never smoked or vaped before on contact. However, it is not like cyanide like some people portray it or I would be dead. 100 mg nicotine splashed on my hands does not even phase me. I just wipe it off and then wash my hands. God forbid I will probably regret saying that.

Edit: For reference, I vape 30 ml per week of 24 mg.


Of course nobody should intentionally smear a company, or test a product and conduct a review unless they have been thorough, and of course they are being honest. Having said that, I don't think the dollar value of testing supplies, or if you get it on ebay determines whether or not its reliable.

You can get a pregnancy test for well under 16 bucks, and you can find them on ebay. If I remember right they are about 99% accurate, could a woman get more accurate test results by going to a specialized doctor? Probably, but that doesn't make self testers unreliable if they are used as instructed.

If that comparison is too wild, I can tell you why I think the test I bought will be accurate enough to be useful. When I found out about this test I found my way to Dvap's forum here....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...any-interest-determining-nicotine-dvap-3.html

Remember that accurate within 10% figure I gave? You can read about that figure in that forum, and he seems to be pretty well regarded around here. He laid out basically two different procedures on testing, large scale and small scale testing. The margin for error is higher on the test I'll be doing "10% or less", but that's because the sample size of nicotine that I'll be using will be less than the larger scale test laid out by Dvap.

Otherwise the test is identical, the same acid and blue will be used, with the same basic procedure. So this ebay test being sold is not different, the person that is selling it is just selling the kit with smaller bottles of acid and blue to cut down cost. Many people have done this type of test within the last couple years and I think its a stretch to say these test are a "freeken joke".

At any rate, being that the test does have the potential for a 10% margin for error, my method would be..... not to start counting the nicotine content as being high or low, unless it was 10% or more high or low. If a 100mg liquid tested out to be 90mg, it wouldn't concern me considering the sample sizes I'm going to be testing. However if it tested out to be 50mg or 150mg, id be concerned. That's where this test will be useful, although it will not give me an exact measurement, it will still be a way to know if im getting what I pay for. In other words I think its going to be accurate enough for my purposes, and if I ever posted results id mention the margin for error BTW.

Only bad thing about this is that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if American made RTS liquids tested very close to their stated MG content using this test. DRvap was testing Chinese liquids that he said he was shocked to find came out to be very close to their stated MG levels. but as I said I won't post the results in this forum to respect your wishes.
 
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Look you could be legit. I been flamed to often. Just Goggle RTS Vapes and the second, third and forth postings are all 100 post threads on other forums of how a rotten liar and con artist I am with Google satellite pictures of my properties in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. All their accusations are months old and every day we are in business shows they spoke out their rear end. But all their lies are there for my bank's loan officer to review and use to turn me down for a small business loan. And much more you probably do not care about.

So when you stumble and fall on my thread asking my customers instead of me questions I have suspicions because I have had my character wrongfully assassinated in the past. If you want reviews, go to my website. Our software, Volusion, does not let us edit or delete so you get negative reviews as well as positive.

I have read those posts and I felt badly for you when I read them.

Just want to add my two cents: I think Mikenet is legit and meant know offense. He's just a very analytic guy, that's been his approach from the time he's started vaping. It's a good thing really.

I only dabble in DIY- badly I might add. But if I ever did get more involved in DIY, I'd definitely order from you.
 

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I have followed this thread from the start and I have ordered from RTS several times now. We have all seen the multitude of posts concerning nic tastes, nic quality and nic concentrations. I have purchased many bottles of nic from 7 different Suppliers (all well know and posted about on ECF). orders have ranged from 125mls up to 1 liter and have been from different batches from many of these Suppliers. I have seen variability in flavor, smell and color (although color really isn't a huge differentiator) from the bottom performers of those 7. Some of the nic I have recieved is downright unvapeable and was dumped! I have done side by side comparisions mixing my goto DIY juice with product from what I consider to be the top three nic suppliers. I used the same PG/VG batches to mix with to rule out any variability that could come from them. I have been comparing the three batches for two weeks. In quality of product and flavor two Suppliers run very close for the top spot and the third is a close second. When I factor in other variables like Customer support, open communication, order processing and price I have one clear winner. That winner would be our only source for US extracted and maufactured nicotine------RTS VAPES! Randy and team have earned my business and trust. I have pointed several people who want to get into DIY to the RTS site knowing they would get top notch product at a fair price.

Randy keep up the good work and the open honest flow of info that you have fostered in this thread.
 

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Shipping Update From Holiday Sale:

  1. Orders received late Sunday and through Monday 3:00 pm are packed and shipping tomorrow Nov. 2nd
  2. Orders received Monday (Halloween) evening through Tuesday night shipping Thursday Nov. 3rd
  3. Orders received Wednesday shipping Friday Nov. 4th
  4. Orders received Thursday onward should be shipping same day or next day (back to normal)

We are shipping as fast as we can. Thank you for your patience.

Wholesale Orders:

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Wholesale orders enabled and ready for business immediately. (Back to normal)

Thank you for your support.
 
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randyith

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I have read those posts and I felt badly for you when I read them.

Just want to add my two cents: I think Mikenet is legit and meant know offense. He's just a very analytic guy, that's been his approach from the time he's started vaping. It's a good thing really.

I only dabble in DIY- badly I might add. But if I ever did get more involved in DIY, I'd definitely order from you.

Thank you Sweedishfish for your kind comments, Your comments mean a lot to me primarily because you are the first person to weigh in and offer support publicly, At the time, I was not aware these negative comments where ongoing on the other forums because we were too busy running our daily operations. In hindsight we were planning a counterattack which could have been successful but ultimately I decided I did not have the time or will so we left their negative character assassinations continue. I simply decided we needed to perfect the quality of our product and in time
combined with help from our loyal ECF customers RTS Vapes would prevail. This approach of ignoring them has worked for the most part, Some of our bigger roasters, who were Box Elder fans now buy from us and post at ECF a lot. Quite a positive non-violent approach now has 30% of my character assassins as loyal customers and worthwhile contributors to this forum. So, my decision to exercise restraint and win over by consistent quality seems to have won for RTS Vapes.

I believe Box Elder played a role in at least one of these 100 + threads but it has not worked out well for them, I do not need to trash them since they already lost the war they started. We are here for the long haul and we truly appreciate everyone of our customers including the new Box Elder customers that work with us.
 

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I ordered some nic from the first day of the sale and received it in Monday's mail. I wasn't expecting it to get in so fast, but as with my last 4 orders, pristene clear, and has always been right on the mark as far as nic levels and no taste.

I found that I am using much less flavorings now since I no longer have to mask the old nic taste I used to get with my other supplier (not going to mention who even if you ask) but since I have found RTS, I have seen a couple of lower priced suppliers, but I won't trust anyone else now since I have found a supplier that provides top notch product, quite fair price, and very good shipping!

Thanks once again RTS you're MY supplier
 

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So, my decision to exercise restraint and win over by consistent quality seems to have won for RTS Vapes.
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Engaging in character assassination rarely succeeds in this community. In fact it often backfires since this community is tight knit, thrifty and (for the most part) of above average intelligence. I applaud your decision to take the higher moral ground and focus on what really counts.
 

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Engaging in character assassination rarely succeeds in this community. In fact it often backfires since this community is tight knit, thrifty and (for the most part) of above average intelligence. I applaud your decision to take the higher moral ground and focus on what really counts.

Very well said :)
 

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Engaging in character assassination rarely succeeds in this community. In fact it often backfires since this community is tight knit, thrifty and (for the most part) of above average intelligence. I applaud your decision to take the higher moral ground and focus on what really counts.

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Karma does much better then man
 

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Randy,

I ordered my first order from you on 10/28, I just received it today. I'm quite impressed with the clarity, smell, and taste, which has a very slight nutty/tobacco taste.

Sorry to hear about the bad publicity you've been getting. I'd wish you Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it!

BTW, I'll be back to order some more next November. Do you think you could save some for me, LOL! :)
 
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