Hello guys, whats sweetener is safe? And which brands of flavors are without diketones?
Safe sweetener and brand of flavors
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As far as sweeteners any sweetener sold by a reputable DYI vape vendor is considered safe for vaping. As far as diketones there really are to many to mention. I would suggest seeking out an online vendor that lists which flavors they sell that are diketones free or at least list which do have them within there flavor descriptions if this concerns you. Many online vendors now do test for and list them.
Almost, if not all of them have dropped diacetyl, but some still contain traces of acetoin and/or acetyl propionyl. I think they rely on information from the manufacturers in lieu of in-house testing, but both Wizard Labs and Bull City Flavors do tell you which flavors have these. WL lists it in the flavor description, and BCF goes so far as to put a "CAUTION" backdrop behind the thumbnail image while browsing, too.
I think that a fair number of flavors still contain pretty significant amounts of acetoin/acetyl propionyl. They are, IIUC, important ingredients in flavors like CAP VCV1. I'm not disagreeing with you in the main. I agree with the thrust of your comment- just disagreeing with the term "trace."
Lots of other flavors, even ones you wouldn't expect (like fruits, say,) will incidentally contain trace amounts of actual diacetyl, but I don't think there's much reason to worry about trace amounts of diketones. If you're willing to walk into a movie theater lobby or microwave packaged microwave popcorn you should not worry at all about these trace amounts, IMHO.
I'm just restating what I read on their website: "*Note this flavor does not contain Diacetyl, but may contain traces of Acetoin and/or Acetyl Propionyl". I'm not sure whose definition of "traces" they use or exactly how much that translates to, but that's what it says on Vanilla Custard* Flavor Concentrate by CAP (0.27oz)
Hmm- I could be wrong, but I think they're just full of it here, and misusing the term "trace." There isn't a really good quantitative definition of the term, but I think it's safe to say both that almost all flavorings might well contain "trace" amounts of diacetyl itself, and that if a compound contributes at all to a flavoring (rather than being incidentally present) it is present in that flavoring in quantities orders of magnitude greater than should be considered "trace" amounts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but VCV1 does still rely on "Acetoin and/or Acetyl Propionyl" for its flavor, right? That's why there is a V2 that uses other compounds, right? Well, in that case CAP is full of it, and those compounds are present in VCV1 in more than trace amounts in much the same way that water is present in Lake Michigan in greater quantities than in my toilet bowl.
I don't worry much about diketones, but I'm SMDH over that copy- unless, of course I am somehow wrong about this, which is entirely possible.
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That's Wizard Labs standard warning text and many flavors that don't have it is probably because they don't know. For the best available info, look up the manufacturers directly. Capella has the info about their versions. Flavor West has info. TFA has analysis of most of their flavors, but as a range that can be wide. FlavourArt is most attentive, all their general purpose, not food-only flavors are claimed diketone free. Inawera is all "e-aromat" yet no info.
Note that diketone-free may have little to do with safe, as substitutes may be more irritating. Flavor strength is something I watch out for, including diketone concentration when info is available.
I've stuck to TFA for sucralose sweetener as it has been highly reviewed for lack of off-flavor (e.g. every "diet" soda and treat I've ever tried).
Note that diketone-free may have little to do with safe, as substitutes may be more irritating. Flavor strength is something I watch out for, including diketone concentration when info is available.
I've stuck to TFA for sucralose sweetener as it has been highly reviewed for lack of off-flavor (e.g. every "diet" soda and treat I've ever tried).
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