Samsung 25r for the ipv3

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I have an ipv3 with four dedicated vtc4's I am kind of considering adding a third set and was wondering if the Samsung 25r is a good set. The specs for the ipv3 say 30 amp batts are recommended but they are hard to find unless I want to add some vtc3's into the mix. So I am sure the 25r's will work at lower watts but will they perform safely at higher watts?
 

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The Samsung 25r are 20 amp continuous discharge rated batteries, and would be a 33% reduction from the recommended rating the mod manufacturer lists. At higher watts you would be likely pushing them over their rated amperage which could ruin your whole day.

Consider if something goes wrong, you have 2 batteries that could vent, so double the failure, right next to your face. I would say stick with the recommended batteries and shop around. I have a local B&M that had the VTC4 & VTC5 at reasonable prices, even after it was reported many online stores were out of stock. I checked them six ways from Tuesday for authenticity and they passed all the tests. Either the perfect clones of real VTC batteries.
 

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The Samsung 25r are 20 amp continuous discharge rated batteries, and would be a 33% reduction from the recommended rating the mod manufacturer lists. At higher watts you would be likely pushing them over their rated amperage which could ruin your whole day.

Consider if something goes wrong, you have 2 batteries that could vent, so double the failure, right next to your face. I would say stick with the recommended batteries and shop around. I have a local B&M that had the VTC4 & VTC5 at reasonable prices, even after it was reported many online stores were out of stock. I checked them six ways from Tuesday for authenticity and they passed all the tests. Either the perfect clones of real VTC batteries.

This is my thinking as well. I have seen the 25r in the ipv3 before Rip Trippers video for one and it got me thinking about them. It has got me thinking just how many true 30 amp batteries are actually available. The efest are mislabled, the Vamped 40a are actually 20a. Which has me thinking maybe I should have some decent backups beside the four I use specifically for this device.

I have other batteries but they are assigned to other devices.




OEM VTC4s:

https://www.craftvapery.com/products/sony-vtc4-18650-li-mn-battery

Use code JOY and get them for $10.20 each.

Thanks. I have looked at those and have them on a saved page but I did not have the code. Maybe your professed hoarding is contagious.




What about the imren 38a 2600mah 18650 batteries?
 

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The Samsung 25r are 20 amp continuous discharge rated batteries, and would be a 33% reduction from the recommended rating the mod manufacturer lists. At higher watts you would be likely pushing them over their rated amperage which could ruin your whole day.

Consider if something goes wrong, you have 2 batteries that could vent, so double the failure, right next to your face. I would say stick with the recommended batteries and shop around. I have a local B&M that had the VTC4 & VTC5 at reasonable prices, even after it was reported many online stores were out of stock. I checked them six ways from Tuesday for authenticity and they passed all the tests. Either the perfect clones of real VTC batteries.
It is true that the Samsung 25R is listed as a 20A continuous battery, but that rating doesn't really apply to a VV/VW device as it is my understanding that with many high wattage devices out now accidentally discharging the mod for the entirety of the battery charge is basically impossible. So, why bother with only looking at a continuous battery drain spec? It's prudent to choose batteries wisely and I would never argue with that but the current market demands that we take a bit deeper look into our options.

What many people do not know is that the VTC5 was never officially tested to 30A, even the Spec sheet has no mention of the VTC5 being a "30A continuous" cell, but it was tested very nicely at 20A. Independent outside testing has shown us that the VTC5 can perform well at 30A which is why we consider it a 30A cell, I can personally find no literature anywhere from Sony that shows the VTC5 being tested at over 20A. Where am I going with this?

Here is the Samsung 25R spec sheet - http://www.powerstream.com/p/INR18650-25R-datasheet.pdf
That sheet shows continuous drain testing up to 25A and in the final few pages even demonstrates that the 25R can discharge well over 30A for short bursts without venting in any way. Safety testing looks very good as well, even under the most detrimental of conditions the battery at very worst only leaked, not a single test cell once vented anything violently and the cell retained an L1 rating throughout all tests, scoring an L0(the best rating) for some of the tests as well!

My point in all this is that independent outside testing has also shown the 25R can output 30A reliably along the near same discharge curve as the VTC5. Now in my eyes it's up to the user to decide if they're informed enough to make a decision on using the 25R for higher discharge, personally it's now a battery I have my eyes on to purchase more of.
 

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Very good find of the Samsung 25R spec sheet, actual testing is much better than internet rumor everytime.

Looking at the Capacity & Temperature vs. discharge capacity graph, at 25 amp discharge, the voltage drops to 3.3-3.4 volts rather quickly compared to say 15 amps (which would be 25% under the advertised capacity)

What this would mean in a regulated mod such as an IPV3 is as the voltage drops the circuitry compensates by drawing higher amperage to maintain the wattage setting you may have selected. There's no such thing as a "free lunch", the power has to come from somewhere. This holds true for any battery including the highly regarded VTCx.

It is very encouraging to see in their testing that violent venting did not occur, as they are IMR chemistry this would be expected and great to see in actual destructive testing. We're still pushing these or any batteries to their limits in vaping, I prefer to err on the side of caution.
 
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