San Diego ABC 10News to do independent study on ecigs...
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Thanks, DC2. Good response. (I would have been tempted to ask the producer if he realizes he and his station are being used to further the PruBot's et al agenda, but it probably wouldn't have been productive to do so...)
I love how he calls them "esmokes" and implies it doesn't matter if the item tested is still on the market. (If they're going to say it doesn't matter since they all come from China, perhaps reputable scientific method (or "chain of evidence" if you will) would have been to acquire some test units directly from China.)
ETA: Oh, and his "you must realize how important this is from a health care perspective" comment. Does he think we don't realize? YOU BET YOUR BLEEDIN' BOOTIES WE DO! Why do you think we go on about it? Huh? That condescending remark really steams me...
I love how he calls them "esmokes" and implies it doesn't matter if the item tested is still on the market. (If they're going to say it doesn't matter since they all come from China, perhaps reputable scientific method (or "chain of evidence" if you will) would have been to acquire some test units directly from China.)
ETA: Oh, and his "you must realize how important this is from a health care perspective" comment. Does he think we don't realize? YOU BET YOUR BLEEDIN' BOOTIES WE DO! Why do you think we go on about it? Huh? That condescending remark really steams me...
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DC, You are one of the more resourceful members of this forum IMO. Is it worth it to maybe point them in the "right direction" as far as noteworthy Doctors, or research goes? I'm only thinking, it seems like you already, at least partially, have their ear.
I'm hoping my email prompts some interest on their part.
But I don't want to point them anywhere unless they ask me to.
I don't want it to come off as being TOO obvious that I'm hoping to influence them to take another look at this whole thing.
I am hoping that if there is interest they will ask me another question or two.
I hope they do, and we'll go from there.
Be sure to let us know if/when Severance replies, DC2!
Another afterthought: I have actually tried the other brand tested, which is still available. (It was a vapemergency, my one and only. I learned my lesson about backups...) No disrespect if anyone here actually uses that brand, but it's probably the lowest quality, worst tasting ecig one can buy these days. Did the PruBot know this?
Yes. Truly. I have a Mistic that was given to me last year. It was so bad I nearly didn't want to try any form of not-smoking ever ever again. I'm glad I did though
I'm hoping my email prompts some interest on their part.
But I don't want to point them anywhere unless they ask me to.
I don't want it to come off as being TOO obvious that I'm hoping to influence them to take another look at this whole thing.
I am hoping that if there is interest they will ask me another question or two.
I hope they do, and we'll go from there.
A helpful link to CASAA might steer them in the right direction, though.
Not even her old file--that subject has been thoroughly discussed here on ECF. And I remember distinctly a long discussion here about solder and some questionable metals found in some cartos or atties... I'll try to find it later. I believe it's another "Internet-based study" conducted by Prue.
I'm hoping my email prompts some interest on their part.
But I don't want to point them anywhere unless they ask me to.
I don't want it to come off as being TOO obvious that I'm hoping to influence them to take another look at this whole thing.
I am hoping that if there is interest they will ask me another question or two.
I hope they do, and we'll go from there.
Play the line easy, gentle moves, then when you have the hook set....HOOK 'EM HARD...
Agreed. I can always send another email. Just want to give them some time to think about it.A helpful link to CASAA might steer them in the right direction, though.
It's much better if they ask than if I try to push it on them. But I'll push if I have to.
QUOTE: "The professor and other critics believe e-cigarettes do not help people quit smoking because users reportedly use e-cigarettes and cigarettes at the same time."
"Most of the people, about 80 percent of people who use e-cigarettes, keep smoking regular cigarettes," said Glantz.
What a load. From my reading here, I would say a very small minority of our members continue to smoke regular cigarettes. Those who do are to be commended for cutting back on the number of cigarettes they smoke.
"Most of the people, about 80 percent of people who use e-cigarettes, keep smoking regular cigarettes," said Glantz.
What a load. From my reading here, I would say a very small minority of our members continue to smoke regular cigarettes. Those who do are to be commended for cutting back on the number of cigarettes they smoke.
1. I wonder who's doing the reporting....
2. "Believe" and "reportedly" leave a lot of waffle room. Like could and might and "we worry that," more excellent waffle words.
2. Question for anyone reading this: Have you ever seen anyone, even one person, using an ecig and a cigarette at the same time?
Very nice, D2!
I'll admit, I would have slammed back hard about the millions of dollars ... if that reporter only knew, & somehow, I think s/he does. It's a good thing I wasn't the correspondent. :flame:
I'll admit, I would have slammed back hard about the millions of dollars ... if that reporter only knew, & somehow, I think s/he does. It's a good thing I wasn't the correspondent. :flame:
"If they are the real deal, they will be accepted. Anything is better than the traditional cigarette and many think e cigs will eventually displace the current"
That would be an accurate assessment in a fair and just system. However money and power have a way of controlling the results and fear is powerful's best ally. Repeated enough, perception becomes reality. You have no further to look than second hand smoke and the view of smokeless tobacco. Following George Godber's 1975 3rd World Conference on Smoking and Health blueprint, long-term, the elimination of cigarette smoking was the goal. Somehow that morphed to all tobacco and all non-pharma provided nicotine.
Fear provided the tool needed to bring the general population on board and second hand smoke was the weapon. Researchers were eager to grab the money and provide the evidence. When someone stepped out of line, like those done by Enstrom and Kabat, they were quickly dismissed. In Jim Enstrom's case, it cost him his job. The latest long term study indicating the risk is minimum will take some searching to find.
That being said, they're now building evidence that second hand smoke leads to diabetes
(Can Secondhand Smoke Increase Diabetes Risk?)
And Ellen Hahn is still active
Secondhand smoke leading cause of childhood illness, death - Health - Lifestyle - Dalje.com
There is no stopping these "researchers" from providing the body of evidence needed to push the agenda.
As I see it, this supposed study is only one of many that will be saturating the news this year and beyond to show why "vaping is not a safe alternative to smoking".
E cigs wouldn't be the first product to get squashed by the money machine and won't be the last. Truth doesn't always win out in the end, particularly today.
That would be an accurate assessment in a fair and just system. However money and power have a way of controlling the results and fear is powerful's best ally. Repeated enough, perception becomes reality. You have no further to look than second hand smoke and the view of smokeless tobacco. Following George Godber's 1975 3rd World Conference on Smoking and Health blueprint, long-term, the elimination of cigarette smoking was the goal. Somehow that morphed to all tobacco and all non-pharma provided nicotine.
Fear provided the tool needed to bring the general population on board and second hand smoke was the weapon. Researchers were eager to grab the money and provide the evidence. When someone stepped out of line, like those done by Enstrom and Kabat, they were quickly dismissed. In Jim Enstrom's case, it cost him his job. The latest long term study indicating the risk is minimum will take some searching to find.
That being said, they're now building evidence that second hand smoke leads to diabetes
(Can Secondhand Smoke Increase Diabetes Risk?)
And Ellen Hahn is still active
Secondhand smoke leading cause of childhood illness, death - Health - Lifestyle - Dalje.com
There is no stopping these "researchers" from providing the body of evidence needed to push the agenda.
As I see it, this supposed study is only one of many that will be saturating the news this year and beyond to show why "vaping is not a safe alternative to smoking".
E cigs wouldn't be the first product to get squashed by the money machine and won't be the last. Truth doesn't always win out in the end, particularly today.
I just saw this, third hand smoke is now dangerous and a fire-able offense. Sure the truth matters.
T.J. Samson enforces thirdhand smoke policy - Bowling Green Daily News: News
T.J. Samson enforces thirdhand smoke policy - Bowling Green Daily News: News
I would comment that "not instantly embracing" is a far cry from using sprurious science to generate public fear and loathing. I would also ask why he considers the avalance of anti-ecig publicity currently inundating the media as merely a "period of questioning and concern."
But that's me, feeling really p*ssy today. No doubt you can state this more objectively than I...
ETA: In an unexpected moment of about-face, I must say his willingness to dialogue with you is encouraging! He may simply be a terribly clever ANTZ, but I want to believe he's actually giving it some thought...
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