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San Francisco Passes One-Size-Fits-All Flavor Ban, Condemns Smokers to Status Quo

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  1. noevilstar

    noevilstar Senior Member<br>CASAA Board Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 10, 2013
    Union City, NJ
    (View on CASAA.org - San Francisco Passes One-Size-Fits-All Flavor Ban, Condemns Smokers to Status Quo - CASAA )

    The ink is barely dry on amendments accepted during San Francisco’s Public Safety and Neighborhoods Committee hearing and the full Board of Supervisors has passed the ordinance that bans the sale of flavored vapor products, tobacco products, and menthol cigarettes. The new law takes effect in April 2018.

    To say that San Francisco’s decision to ban flavored vapor products is disappointing would be an understatement and minimizes the real impact of this horrible miscalculation. Whereas at least some study has gone into prohibiting the sale of menthol cigarettes, there is no evidence to suggest that banning low-risk nicotine products will benefit anyone. In fact, it is reasonable to infer from emerging data that banning flavored vapor and smoke-free tobacco products will send some people back to smoking while discouraging others from quitting. At the very least, banning flavored vapor products will delay quit-attempts resulting in an unnecessary harm to San Francisco’s smoking population.

    Rather than consider innovative new ways to address the disease and early death attributed to smoking, San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors has, instead, opted to experiment on their constituents with an untested policy. We need to emphasize that banning low-risk, smoke-free products is NOT based on evidence. This was purely an emotional decision.

    The pace at which this ordinance was driven through San Francisco’s legislative process also indicates that very little deliberation took place. Zero consideration was given to city vape shop owners, who likely have thousands of quit-smoking stories to their credit. Even less consideration was given to individual consumers who shared their testimonials with the Public Safety Committee.

    San Francisco has done a shameful thing, but there is still time to fix it. In the months leading up to implementing the flavor ban, there is still an opportunity to pass an exemption for low-risk tobacco and nicotine products. Considering the rate at which studies about tobacco harm reduction are emerging, it is possible we will have more evidence to support an exemption. Unfortunately, while we wait for the Board of Supervisors to come to their senses, hundreds of San Francisco residents will continue to smoke past a point where switching to a low-risk alternative could have saved their lives.

    You can find the contact information for the SF Board of Supervisors here.

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  4. Tonee N

    Tonee N Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2017
    Nevada
    That would mean SF wouldn't get their cut of what they import.

    Sent from tomorrow
     
  5. Verb

    Verb Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 26, 2014
    Eastern, PA, USA
    Will the city employ a tobacco flavor expert? Will they actually use the tobacco product to determine if it had a characteristic flavor other than tobacco? Not sure if that would be OSHA compliant.

    If they are using the aroma clause how are they to be certain they are not smelling their own upper lip?
     
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  6. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    SFTrans ™ liquids are the solution.

    Trans-555™: is a juicy peach liquid, but it comes in a bottle labeled "tobacco" and it thinks it is 555.

    Cheers
    I

    I'll get my coat....:shock::facepalm:
     
  7. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    I think this Pretty Much Sums it Up.

    :facepalm:
     
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  8. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  10. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I believe most mainstream cigarette brands use some food flavoring to homogenize the taste of the product. If I'm right SF is only banning flavorings they know about and not flavorings they don't know about.

    Info about cig additives. I'm at work can't read this right now.
    List of additives in cigarettes - Wikipedia
     
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  11. Verb

    Verb Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 26, 2014
    Eastern, PA, USA
    Correct. The use of flavoring is permitted. The product cannot have a "characterizing flavor" other than tobacco. This seems to permit unflavored; where the proposed NJ flavor ban requires clove, method, or tobacco to be the "characterizing flavor".
     
  12. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    This will encourage a lot of SF vapers to mix. That's a good thing.
     
  13. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Yeah... That might be a Good Thing.

    But I wonder how many SF Smokers won't be to able to Successfully Switch without being able to buy Flavored e-Liquids at a B&M?
     
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  14. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    Vaping will demolish a business that does $800- trillion dollars world wide and most of that goes to governments. It's going to be a long war.
     
  15. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    I hope so.

    But it is the Monies that go to Governments that Worry Me.
     
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  16. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    I'm in SF and thinking about mixing myself. Actually not because of this regulation. I already buy most of the e-juice online anyway as it is a lot cheaper than walking into a vape store here and walking out with it. Most are overpriced.

    As an example for you on brands that are wide spread. A lot of vape stores in SF charge $25 to $29 plus 8.75% tax for 30 ml of halo, you can order direct from halo for $22. A lot of them charge $26 to $35 plus 8.75% tax for a 60 ml bottle of Naked 100, you can order them online from vapesociety for $13 to $17 depending on the deal they are running.

    I do believe in supporting local vendors, but not if they plan on ripping me off. There is one that I buy from part of the time. I used to buy cigarettes there as they sell them as well and they gave me a good deal on cigs and while the charge $25 for a 60ml of the naked 100 I like, they sell it to me for $18 out the door. So I support them.
     
  17. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    I vape 7ml per day so a 60ml bottle would last me a bit shy of 9 days. My cost of DIY ingredients for a year is $25.
     
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  18. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Yeah... Prop 56 didn't do CA Retailers any favors either.
     
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  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    So what's the General Feeling about all this among your friends in The City who Vape?
     
  20. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    They don't like it but not much they can do about it. If it manages to go thru most will just stock up before April 2018 or buy from out of the city. Only the vape shop owners will be hurt and they are really the only vocal ones about it.
     
  21. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Gotcha.

    So no Organized Resistance that you know of to all this?
     
  22. Snidely_Whiplash

    Snidely_Whiplash Full Member Verified Member

    Looking at this from a view point outside the US.
    I have to wonder if this ruling is police-able?
    Their seems to be quite a bit of civil disobedience happening in California.
     
  23. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    As for policing it....There will no doubt be some places where they sell it under the counter to people they know, happens.

    But for the cigarettes and tobacco they will be able to a lot easier. Most of the places the cigs are stocked by the big tobacco distributor and the seller just gets a cut of the price set by the distributor, they will comply and won't supply them to the shops.

    Also if tax is involved as it is, they are audited making it harder to no comply. Back when the tax went up on tobacco, the distributors had to inventory the stock in all the shops they supplied and provide it to the state along with invoices to show how many had old tax stamps. They then had to pay the new tax on the packages with the old stamps.

    But since this is just SF and the city is only 11 miles by 11 miles, anyone can go to Daly City and buy whatever they want.
     
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