Scientist and a reprobate mind.

[mightymen]

what is there to look forward to except being worm dirt?

I believe in the scientific community they call that a transfer of energy. It's called the "law of conservation of energy", and it was Newton. Basically it states that new energy can never be created, and existing energy can never be destroyed. Energy can only be converted from one for to another. By this "law of conservation of energy" being worm dust would be continuation of our energy and energy never dies.

Elementary explained for children.

Fast facts

Matter & Energy

1. Everything in the Universe is made up of matter and energy.

2. Matter is anything that has mass and occupies space.

3. Matter describes the physical things around us: the earth, the air you breathe, your pencil.
Matter is made up of particles called atoms and molecules. Atoms are particles of elements - substances that cannot be broken down further.

4. There are currently 109 known elements, but obviously there are more than 109 different substances in the universe. This is because atoms of elements can combine with one another to form compounds.

5. There are 4 fundamental states of matter: solid, liquid, gas and plasma.

6. Energy is the ability to cause change or do work.

7. Some forms of energy include light, heat, chemical, nuclear, electrical energy and mechanical energy.

8. There are two main types of energy: potential and kinetic. Potential energy is energy that is stored, while kinetic energy is energy in use.

9. In order for electrical energy to flow, it must follow a complete path through a circuit.

10. Dark matter refers to material that can't be detected by their emitted radiation but whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter, like stars and galaxies. Dark energy, or negative energy, is the energy found in space.

http://www.kidskonnect.com/subjectindex/15-educational/science/91-matter-a-energy.html

 

[rc3po]

I believe in the scientific community they call that a transfer of energy. It's called the "law of conservation of energy", and it was Newton. Basically it states that new energy can never be created, and existing energy can never be destroyed. Energy can only be converted from one for to another. By this "law of conservation of energy" being worm dust would be continuation of our energy and energy never dies.

Elementary explained for children.

Intelligence explained for children:
Worm dirt has no conscious thought...and doesn't have a soul.

 

[Norrin]

There are plenty of fulfilled Scriptures in The Holy Bible for anyone that cares to search. And everything you were taught in school about evolution is a lie.
Check out the book, "Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth?", by Dr. Jonathan Wells.
Even if a sane person doesn't have faith in Intelligent Design, they should at least have hope that it is true, otherwise, what is there to look forward to except being worm dirt?
Like I said, there is plenty of proof for those that care to search.

OK let's break this down, all "prophecies" are worked out after the fact so that doesn't hold water. You need to say this will happen and then it does not this happened and we can twist this to mean the same thing.
Yes I know there are some Americans who don't believe in evolution but sorry to tell you it's a proven fact (some of the details might be wrong or not yet discovered admittedly)
That's getting into the realms of doing what I was accused of, I'm not knocking your right to believe just your science and even if I believed I would still be knocking the science because it's faulty.

Believe or not that's up to the individual, but if your going to post thing as being fact then you need to get things right and saying that lack of knowledge is proof of god just doesn't cut it.

 

[mightymen]

There is no proof either way, yet. String theory is one way that some scientists are trying find out one way or another. Personally, I have no problem if the multiverse was real. We are just humans with nowhere near the needed mental capacity to understand our creator's full vision for us or the universe.

He is a liar - why would you like his thoughts? There is plenty of proof of The Holy Bible and of Jesus Christ also. There are hundreds if not thousands of fulfilled prophecies in the Bible. Why would you bow to those devils if you are filled with the Holy Spirit? You even clicked like to his demonic comments.

"The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts."
- Psalm 10: 4.

Never agree with the wicked.

I respect his or her thoughts and idea's and agree with them so far, he or her never brought up Scripture but did acknowledge our CREATOR, I take it that he or her understands who the CREATOR as I do for now. I also respect your thoughts and idea's and don't agree with all of them but haven't called you or anyone a lair.

As the OP on the thread, please don't call anyone a lair on this thread there's no need for that just because we don't agree with each other.

 

[mightymen]

Intelligence explained for children:
Worm dirt has no conscious thought...and doesn't have a soul.

Good point, let me ask God.

I'm serious.

Lord God Please give me knowledge and understanding with "Worm dirt has no conscious thought...and doesn't have a soul" in the name of Jesus the Christ.

Excuse me while I wait on an answer as soon as I hear it I'll do a post on it.

 

[Saintscruiser]

There will only be one warning. I have to keep it civil or lock it down. I really don't wish to lock it....not at this point.

 

[mightymen]

I know there are some Americans who don't believe in evolution but sorry to tell you it's a proven fact (some of the details might be wrong or not yet discovered admittedly).

IMO: the question of evolution can only lead us back to the original topic of "Scientist and a reprobate mind." and will bring us to the point of what happened during universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

It's not a proven fact how life began only a theory how it evolved with scientific proof that allows for modification.

How Did Evolution Begin?

As you know, the ability of replication is critical for life,” Ohtsuki told PhysOrg.com. “We can conceive several forms of life, such as prelife catalysts and replicators, as in our paper. We are interested in which form of life is most efficient and thus is selected in prelife (a soup of chemicals). The significance of our study is that we have mathematically shown for the first time that replicators, which have the ability to remain attached with a growing sequence, have a great advantage over the other forms of life. Replication is usually taken for granted in the study of evolution. We think that our result gives a justification of why replicators are so dominant.” How Did Evolution Begin?

Taken matter to form life doesn't explain where all the matter came from, was it formed by design and by what or whom. To prove evolution true you have to be able to create something from nothing and so far man can not do this leaving the only conclusion to make logically it's created by design.

 

[Saintscruiser]

OK let's break this down, all "prophecies" are worked out after the fact so that doesn't hold water. You need to say this will happen and then it does not this happened and we can twist this to mean the same thing.
Yes I know there are some Americans who don't believe in evolution but sorry to tell you it's a proven fact (some of the details might be wrong or not yet discovered admittedly)
That's getting into the realms of doing what I was accused of, I'm not knocking your right to believe just your science and even if I believed I would still be knocking the science because it's faulty.

Believe or not that's up to the individual, but if your going to post thing as being fact then you need to get things right and saying that lack of knowledge is proof of god just doesn't cut it.

I was re-reading your post, Norrin, and my question is how can something be a proven fact and 'some of the details might be wrong or not yet discovered.' I understand what you were trying to post but isn't that equal to 'I would still be knocking the science because it's faulty.' It looks like we are on equal footing, having proved neither side, and that is okay. I'm not going to point my finger at you and call you a heathen as I know you won't point a finger at me and call me wacko.....or you might!

One other thing I do wish to point out, if I may, is that all prophecy, up to this moment, has been 100%. Any prophet who is not 100% everytime, is not a prophet. You're either correct or you're not. 75% will not do. I was so enthralled with Nostradomus and his predictions until I saw he wasn't 100%. Sorry, Hister doesn't equate to Hitler. If you go back in Scripture as most Bibles have notes pointing you to a previous Scripture, you will see that prophecy has been fulfilled. I wish I could remember who and where I saw this guy.....pretty sure it was on a Christian channel, (and my preacher said it too) but he did the stats of 1/2 of the prophecies in the Old Testament coming true. Maybe you can look it up. He said the odds were equivalent to you being asked to find a red quarter within the entire state of Texas covered in 1 foot of quarters and you finding it with one try. But, you are correct that prophecies are proven after the fact. Here's the definition of a prophecy. Prophecy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary You know, how correct are the weatherman's predictions?

 

[Saintscruiser]

Norrin, I took too long in composing my post. It seems that MM addressed part of what I posted. Sorry if I sounded like a broken record.

 

[mightymen]

Intelligence explained for children:
Worm dirt has no conscious thought...and doesn't have a soul.

Good point, let me ask God.
I'm serious.

Lord God Please give me knowledge and understanding with "Worm dirt has no conscious thought...and doesn't have a soul" in the name of Jesus the Christ.

Excuse me while I wait on an answer as soon as I hear it I'll do a post on it.

Found this at the very end of answers dot com with lots of scripture.

All living things have souls in the sense that they have life. One of the many definitions for soul is "life-force". Soul what keeps the body alive. However, only man has a spiritual soul- a being that is both spiritual and physical, a soul that is immortal, made in God's own image.
According to Christianity do all living things have souls or do only people have souls

I Now to address "Worm dirt has no conscious thought"

If rock/stones can cry out they have conscious thought, why not worm dirt also have conscious thought.
Science say's it's impossible but read for yourself what Scripture says.

Luke 19 verses 39 and 40
39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Habakkuk 2:11
For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it

 

[Norrin]

IMO: the question of evolution can only lead us back to the original topic of "Scientist and a reprobate mind." and will bring us to the point of what happened during universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

It's not a proven fact how life began only a theory how it evolved with scientific proof that allows for modification.



Taken matter to form life doesn't explain where all the matter came from, was it formed by design and by what or whom. To prove evolution true you have to be able to create something from nothing and so far man can not do this leaving the only conclusion to make logically it's created by design.

Although I do disagree with your conclusion I have always been confused about religions hatred of evolution because it doesn't even disagree with what is stated in the bible and like most things doesn't help come to a conclusion either way. I have read enough about the start of life to know that quite a number of things needed to happen for life to begin and that many have said that the chances of all these things happening are too small to have happened without "outside" help, but the thing is we don't know enough to be able to say that, we can't create life but we assume that there was only 1 possible result that would creae life when it's very possible there were more. Anyway as I stated proves nothing either way.


OK Saintscruiser I went to a couple of sites and read some of these prophecies that claim to be fulfilled and from what I can see 90% of them (maybe even more) are giving the bible as the proof for the prophecy in the bible, so we have self for filling prophecies and a few others that could quite easily be coincidence. also there seems to be no timescale on these things so obviously if you wait long enough they will all come to pass (or at least something close enough to call it so). Very little in the bible can be corroborated by outside sources so it can't be used as a definite text to prove anything.

 

[mightymen]

Although I do disagree with your conclusion I have always been confused about religions hatred of evolution because it doesn't even disagree with what is stated in the bible and like most things doesn't help come to a conclusion either way. I have read enough about the start of life to know that quite a number of things needed to happen for life to begin and that many have said that the chances of all these things happening are too small to have happened without "outside" help, but the thing is we don't know enough to be able to say that, we can't create life but we assume that there was only 1 possible result that would creae life when it's very possible there were more. Anyway as I stated proves nothing either way.

I reposted this link, I'm sure your find it to your liking and very interesting. - How Did Evolution Begin?

I have no problem on the idea of evolution the word defines it self in how life evolves/developed many have claimed evolution as the creation/giver of life and that's just not true it's the development of life from a given point as is understood within the knowledge we know today which is told to us through science and as we know science allows for modification of a theory.

evolution

biology : a theory that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time

: the process by which changes in plants and animals happen over time
: a process of slow change and development

Full Definition of EVOLUTION

1: one of a set of prescribed movements
2 a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding
b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission
c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
d : something evolved
3: the process of working out or developing

4a : the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : phylogeny
b : a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations; also : the process described by this theory

5: the extraction of a mathematical root
6: a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena
Evolution - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

As you can read above no place is evolution defined as creating life.

Evolution and the Bible are not in conflict but the lie told that evolution is how life started is wrong it's how life developed through the eyes of science.

 

[Saintscruiser]

There are many prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled. That's why I said up to this point, meaning this day. Few lay persons studied endtime prophecy, more or less, THEN Israel became a state back in May 1948. When that happened, eyes and ears were opened and hardcore studying came about. Daniel became clear as well as Revelation.

Daniel 12:4New King James Version (NKJV)
4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

When I became a Christian in 1985, there was an urgency within me about endtimes. I knew time was short.

2 Peter 3:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Time isn't measured with a 24 hr. day, 7 days = 1 week, etc, in Heaven as it is here. Time is irrelevant. In Daniel, a week = 7 years, talking about endtimes. I realize it can be confusing. I've been Born Again for 29 years, and I'm still studying and learning. Just say for a moment, that you believed in Creation and just looking at the mind and power of a Creator, wouldn't that blow your mind? If I had a million years, I'd never learn all there is to know about His mind and power. But, that's me.

 

[lm7nyne]

He is a liar - why would you like his thoughts? There is plenty of proof of The Holy Bible and of Jesus Christ also. There are hundreds if not thousands of fulfilled prophecies in the Bible. Why would you bow to those devils if you are filled with the Holy Spirit? You even clicked like to his demonic comments.

"The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts."
- Psalm 10: 4.

Never agree with the wicked.

okay, I just have to ask why I am a liar. I never said that there is no proof of God, just of a multiverse. I also basically just pointed out that we are not at a level to truly understand our universe or God. I am a christian and have been trying to live by the word for 19yrs (saved at age 16). So this actually kinda hurt. (not trying to argue, just confused)

but anyways, back to the topic at hand. When it comes to evolution I can't understand why it has to be completely one way or the other. Isn't evolution just another term for adaptation? if it is then why can't it be accepted that God created us and that as time progressed certain species adapted or evolved to suit their environment? And if it isn't, why not? These are legit questions in my head but I very well could be approaching the subject completely wrong.

 

[Saintscruiser]

okay, I just have to ask why I am a liar. I never said that there is no proof of God, just of a multiverse. I also basically just pointed out that we are not at a level to truly understand our universe or God. I am a christian and have been trying to live by the word for 19yrs (saved at age 16). So this actually kinda hurt. (not trying to argue, just confused)

but anyways, back to the topic at hand. When it comes to evolution I can't understand why it has to be completely one way or the other. Isn't evolution just another term for adaptation? if it is then why can't it be accepted that God created us and that as time progressed certain species adapted or evolved to suit their environment? And if it isn't, why not? These are legit questions in my head but I very well could be approaching the subject completely wrong.

I should have deleted that post as well. That is my fault. I will take care of that post as well. However, if the poster can explain in love what they meant, I am open to them doing so. I will not tolerate hostility. Even Jesus didn't do that, and He's our example. Sometimes, because of our passion, we do not remember that we can speak the truth without being rude. We should always attempt, through Jesus, to show the love of our Saviour.

To answer your question, IMHO, evolution doesn't include God. Evolution is happenstance. Granted we have evolved, i.e. high tech, etc. IMO, I did not evolve from a primate, which evolved many times to get even to that point. I was created by God. Only God can give a human a soul and spirit, which is another way we were created in God's image. We are a trinity....body, soul, spirit. That didn't walk out of water. It takes our spirit to commune with God. When we become Born Again, the Holy Spirit comes and resides within us. Our spirit communes through the Holy Spirit to Almighty God. And when you call upon God, you won't get a busy signal!

John 3:1-21New King James Version (NKJV)
3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2) This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4) Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7) Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8) The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9) Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10) Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11) Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12) If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17) For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18) “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19) And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20) For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21) But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[mightymen]

but anyways, back to the topic at hand. When it comes to evolution I can't understand why it has to be completely one way or the other. Isn't evolution just another term for adaptation? if it is then why can't it be accepted that God created us and that as time progressed certain species adapted or evolved to suit their environment? And if it isn't, why not? These are legit questions in my head but I very well could be approaching the subject completely wrong.

There's part of evolution I can agree with and parts I couldn't say is right or wrong than there's parts that no way can I agree with like we came from something that crawled out of the sea. But all will be reveal to us when were with our Lord.

If I can't backup what I disagree with then no harm saying I can't prove it and just move on. I don't have to accept junk science because someone else does.