Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

[Caro123]

But see, therein lies a problem. Past information is based on smoking data, even if they say it is nicotine they were studying, it was through smoking. Nicotine is starting to be studied on it's own, and it COULD have some very positive effects. I also have to consider the evidence, albeit anecdotal, of the millions of smokers who started smoking in their developing years and did not suffer catastrophic brain damage. Who knows, maybe pfizer will develop a nicotine derived ADHD med, but chances are it would be worse for the user than simple nicotine in a vaporizer.

Sir I suspect you are right on the money on this one. NS has the most .... antz leading the pack but he backed away big time from ecigs (sort of) come to find out the major university here is currently doing a study on why people smoke- smokers high etc so yep I can see an nicotine derived ADHD med if they do would they then permit a pv in the teen drug rehab unit I sure hope so because currently kids addicted to cc who smoke tobacco get evicted from the program -stupidity and garbage science causes much grief

 

[KattMamma]

Wanting vaping to not be illegal based on misinformation and a feeling, is not the same as wanting to put an e-cig in the hands of every 5 year old. I believe parents exert a good deal of control over their children's consumer practices up until their early or pre teen years, as they should. After that, the teens will make their own choices. I simply don't want the irrational fear that one of their choices is going to scar them for life, to be used to regulate vaping out of existence.

BRAVO!!

If we could Take 100,000 13 Year Old Kids and load them up with Nicotine and then Study the Effects it had on their Developing Brains (and Body) over the next 5 Years, we might have More to Talk about here.

We have this info - just poll a bunch of smokers, or ex-smokers, and you will find that a very large percentage of them started smoking in their early teens. I was smoking daily at age 13 - by 15 I had a pack a day habit.

 

[Caro123]

BRAVO!!


We have this info - just poll a bunch of smokers, or ex-smokers, and you will find that a very large percentage of them started smoking in their early teens. I was smoking daily at age 13 - by 15 I had a pack a day habit.

yep me too

 

[zoiDman]

We have this info - just poll a bunch of smokers, or ex-smokers, and you will find that a very large percentage of them started smoking in their early teens. I was smoking daily at age 13 - by 15 I had a pack a day habit.

How does Looking at people who Smoke when they were in their Early Teens tells us Anything about People who Vaped in their Early Teens?

And would you Really want to make this Inference Anyway?

 

[KattMamma]

How does Looking at people who Smoke when they were in their Early Teens tells us Anything about People who Vaped in their Early Teens?

And would you Really want to make this Inference Anyway?

It was in reference to the effects of nicotine on young brains... but I guess you're making a point about 0nic?

 

[zoiDman]

It was in reference to the effects of nicotine on young brains... but I guess you're making a point about 0nic?

No. I was saying that the Last Thing I want is someone Comparing the Effects of Smoking with the Effects of Vaping.

God Gawd. That is where 90% of the Mis-Information about Vaping comes from. Smoking Studies.

 

[KattMamma]

Ok Zoid... calm down... it was about NICOTINE... and the most common form of nicotine delivery has traditionally been smoking...

 

[zoiDman]

Ok Zoid... calm down... it was about NICOTINE... and the most common form of nicotine delivery has traditionally been smoking...

I'm not Un-Calm.

It just when you Burn Tobacco in Cigarettes, as well as all those Chemicals that are Added to Cigarette tobacco, you get a Very Different Effect than if you Vape Nicotine/Flavorings.

 

[KattMamma]

I'm not Un-Calm.

It just when you Burn Tobacco in Cigarettes, as well as all those Chemicals that are Added to Cigarette tobacco, you get a Very Different Effect than if you Vape Nicotine/Flavorings.

Agreed... but nicotine WAS a significant part of the mix, so if nicotine affected young brains, all those young smokers from my era should have noticed something (or maybe we're too brain damaged to notice? nah...)

 

[VapieDan]

I have a real problem with this question of juveniles. What is the age of adulthood? 16 years old and you can drive. 17 years old and tried as an adult for a crime. 18 years old join the service. 21 years old to drink alcohol. I have a crazy idea. perhaps the parents should decide the level of maturity of their children. What am I saying? Parental responsibility? What a silly idea.

 

[zoiDman]

Agreed... but nicotine WAS a significant part of the mix, so if nicotine affected young brains, all those young smokers from my era should have noticed something (or maybe we're too brain damaged to notice? nah...)

Perhaps kinda a Hard Sell.

Seeing that there is Mountains of Clinical Studies that show Smoking in Adults has Many Adverse Effects on the Body. And that is in Fully Developed Bodies.

 

[KattMamma]

Perhaps kinda a Hard Sell.

Seeing that there is Mountains of Clinical Studies that show Smoking in Adults has Many Adverse Effects on the Body. And that is in Fully Developed Bodies.

Dude you're makin' my head hurt LOL

NICOTINE ON THE BRAIN ... not SMOKING EFFECTS ON THE BODY

I'm not gonna participate in this derail any longer tho... those who get what I meant already got it... arguing with you won't change the minds of those who didn't get it (or agree with it), so what's in it for me?

 

[AndriaD]

Well.. smoking enabled me to graduate from high school? Seriously. I had nearly 1200 on the SAT... and graduated with a 2.3 GPA. Because I simply could not focus; my entire high school time, I felt like everything was rushing past me at the speed of sound, and I just couldn't catch up... and I smoked since I was not-quite-14. Without smoking, I strongly doubt that I'd have been able to graduate at all, would have been forced later to get a GED.

Andria

 

[KattMamma]

Well.. smoking enabled me to graduate from high school? Seriously. I had nearly 1200 on the SAT... and graduated with a 2.3 GPA. Because I simply could not focus; my entire high school time, I felt like everything was rushing past me at the speed of sound, and I just couldn't catch up... and I smoked since I was not-quite-14. Without smoking, I strongly doubt that I'd have been able to graduate at all, would have been forced later to get a GED.

Andria

I believe you!! Some may have a hard time believing in the therapeutic benefits of nicotine when derived from smoking, but I don't. I doubt we'll ever know all the therapeutic benefits, thanks to the demonizing of nicotine.

I'm not sure whether smoking helped me with my studies, but I'm pretty sure it helped keep me from strangling a few classmates.

 

[AndriaD]

I believe you!! Some may have a hard time believing in the therapeutic benefits of nicotine when derived from smoking, but I don't. I doubt we'll ever know all the therapeutic benefits, thanks to the demonizing of nicotine.

I'm not sure whether smoking helped me with my studies, but I'm pretty sure it helped keep me from strangling a few classmates.

I was always one of those weird girls lurking in the bathroom, smoking between classes -- so I could focus fine *in class* -- thus the near-1200 on the SAT. I learned, and I've always done well on tests... but I could not get myself together enough to do assignments, and turn them in. My son had the exact same problem, but knowing a bit more about it from my own experience, I was able to stay on him about his assignments so he graduated with a 3.2 GPA... and didn't start smoking till about a year after he graduated (he's since quit).

Andria

 

[Jman8]

I still think this poll shows that around 90% of the vapers are saying one thing (no regulations or at worst 'reasonable regulations') while doing another thing (giving ANTZ their golden ticket to pass a whole bunch of regulations based on 'the children').

I don't see how the "should be an age limit" position will benefit the pro-vaping position in the long run. The 'good' news is that minors will be vaping despite what hypocritical adults have to say on the politics of the matter.

Also kinda hard to picture that we are all on the same side politically when this issue is not worked out, and is the one that drives all other regulations. It's like 10% of us have to deal with the full blown ANTZ (which all vapers have to deal with) along with the pseudo ANTZ who have conviction on this issue, but not a very strong argument to back up their position. And as this thread (and ones like it) demonstrate, they usually have to resort to some sort of ANTZ meme to make their points seem like they have any merit.

 

[KattMamma]

I still think this poll shows that around 90% of the vapers are saying one thing (no regulations or at worst 'reasonable regulations') while doing another thing (giving ANTZ their golden ticket to pass a whole bunch of regulations based on 'the children').

I don't see how the "should be an age limit" position will benefit the pro-vaping position in the long run. The 'good' news is that minors will be vaping despite what hypocritical adults have to say on the politics of the matter.

Also kinda hard to picture that we are all on the same side politically when this issue is not worked out, and is the one that drives all other regulations. It's like 10% of us have to deal with the full blown ANTZ (which all vapers have to deal with) along with the pseudo ANTZ who have conviction on this issue, but not a very strong argument to back up their position. And as this thread (and ones like it) demonstrate, they usually have to resort to some sort of ANTZ meme to make their points seem like they have any merit.

I agree Jman. I disagree with age restrictions, but honestly I don't talk about it much because it's such an unpopular position, even here where we're all vapers!

Age restrictions on vaping supplies is a HUGE foot in the door for more vaping regulations and bans - "for the children". We often say "give them an inch and they'll take 10 miles" but this is more like giving them a mile!!

I am not saying I want to see 5 year olds vaping, but 5 year olds are (or should be) under close adult supervision. Teens are a different matter. The ones who show an interest in vaping are the very same ones who would show an interest in smoking if vaping were not available. I would much rather see them vape. Sadly, these age restrictions are going to actually make it easier for these teens to get cigs than ejuice.

ETA : I also think that the position of "we want age restrictions" says that we believe vaping is harmful. Not good for the cause.

 

[Spidey2011]

Agreed... but nicotine WAS a significant part of the mix, so if nicotine affected young brains, all those young smokers from my era should have noticed something (or maybe we're too brain damaged to notice? nah...)

There was an effect. Decreased cases of Alzheimer’s and parkinsons.

 

[Spidey2011]

I have a real problem with this question of juveniles. What is the age of adulthood? 16 years old and you can drive. 17 years old and tried as an adult for a crime. 18 years old join the service. 21 years old to drink alcohol. I have a crazy idea. perhaps the parents should decide the level of maturity of their children. What am I saying? Parental responsibility? What a silly idea.

Parents take responsibility for teaching their kids values, morals, right from wrong, and the meaning of no? Why that's absurd! The government would never approve of such a thing!

 

[caramel]

Age restrictions are not a safe alternative to good parenting.