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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Should Electronic Cigarettes be Regulated as a Medicine? Like the Nicotrol Inhaler or the Nicotine Patches and Gums?
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trick question wasn't good, either. the question about what makes all these other things have to wait to pass tests to be brought to market, but not vapor, was posed as a medical regulation question... which the courts specifically denied.
but i agree... not that he stated he wasn't qualified... because he doesn't have a doctorate degree, so he should have answered in that manner. but the fact that he suddenly looked like a sweaty deer stuck in headlights with instant high blood pressure made it look real bad.
Yep, their attitude seems to be: "Prove it's safe and we'll consider letting you sell it", whereas in a free society, it we the people should have the attitude: "Prove it's unsafe and we'll consider letting you regulate it."
Because we consider it something close to a miracle that these products got us off cigarettes, and because we don't want our choices limited by arbitrary restrictions.
Who? Where? Show us a manufacturer or vendor that "touts" vapor products as "safe".
just a few liters... and what's in the mail.
Nice, I really need to get a set-up and or organized like that. Currently my stock sits in 3 cardboard boxes...lol
at the very least, we the people... or at least those of us qualified on the subject matter... should be dictating how it's regulated.
for example, i'm not opposed to aemsa regulations with the exceptions of WTA which should be exempt and/or have their own standards put in place when they're understood and sourced more widely.
but that's based on examples of inept and over reaching regulations abound... and especially in congress (where they regulate everything but themselves and their own) and the FDA/WHO... and now maybe even the CDC (which IMO is becoming a joke).
I have had this conversation many times with friends and colleagues, some smokers, some not. They are happy I am not smoking, but are struck by some fear that what I am vaping is worse or just as bad. I have patiently described how I make my own liquid and how I source the ingredients myself...to no avail. Their eyes glass over and eventually I just have to say "certainly you have to agree that this is not as bad as burning and inhaling paper/tobacco and various chemicals all day everyday".
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I wouldn't say e liquid got anyone off cigarettes but rather the person made the decsion to quit using cigarettes and to use a ecig as an alternative nicotine delivery system. Some may call it splitting hairs however I would say the desire to actually quit smoking is what gets a person to quit. Some will just quit, some will use candy, gum, a patch, or whatever works.
A direct slogan by a ecig maker, your choice, your health, your vapes.
Many on here often use the term a safer product. In their opinion safer then tobacco, which it may be.
How about the saying a healthier alternative. All these imply a inherent safety which at a minimum is misleading.
i spent 20 years trying to quit to no avail.
decided to vape... not to quit... but to "smoke" in the same dwelling as my kids.
started nov. 3rd 2013. by nov. 17th, i realized i could quit thanks to vaping. decided to fight my urges with vapor. haven't had a cig since. i was a 4pad smoker that smoked 4pad with 2 21mg nicoderm patches on one arm and nicorette gum in my mouth.
there are many that parrot my story. not the last details, mind you, but most people don't vape at the level i do, either. only one i've seen on this forum out of the thousands.
since then, my lung health has improved so that i can climb steps. and now i do it with peoples furniture for 12 hours at a time. i can even jog short distances. my health has improved significantly.
there are many that parrot similar triumphs.
and i did all of this with the most dangerous batteries, the most dangerous setups and with nearly no regard to what's in the flavors i'm using.
and there are many with the same stories.
so, yes, we're sure they're safer than cigs and improve health in comparison.
i'm positive i speak for more than the majority on that last statement.
that doesn't mean we can't improve. but taking it away altogether (which the attitude we're up against... the one in that video... the one constantly in those ridiculous proposed regs... the one in the published prue talbot studies) will cripple and or kill a lot of people. that's not a risk i'm willing to take for less major concerns.
I'm not advocating for the proposed regulations, those are proposals made by those with their own agendas. I'm also not discounting anyone's success, including yours. However to say not having ecigs will cripple or kill is in my opinion a great exgraration.
i was nearly bed ridden due to my lung function.
health and lung function was fading quickly... nearly drowning in my own phlegm every night.
so how do you figure i wouldn't be crippled or dead in 10 years?
Perhaps, but I think it is a real vehicle to get people off of cigarettes and also to derail other potential smokers. If any of that is true, then we will have people with an improved quality of life.
As and aside, I think that the vaping genie is out of the bottle and the move towards vaping and away from smoking is permanent...the US won't change that single handedly.
In my case, that's incorrect. I did not start vaping with the intention to quit smoking. Heck, I had given up on the very idea of quitting more than a decade ago. I bought some vape stuff because I was intrigued by all the articles in the media late in 2013 that were lamenting that the FDA hadn't regulated it yet. So I figure there might be something to it, and maybe I could replace SOME of my 2PAD habit with vaping. After a few days, I found that even mediocre eGo style gear with mass-produced, high-PG juice allowed me to replace 90-95% of that habit. Then I got some better gear and some WTA juice and that was the end of smoking for me. So yes, better gear and a particular liquid got me off cigarettes, and I'm far from the only one for whom that's true.
That's not the same as "touting it as safe".
Yes, pretty much everyone agrees that it is. I doubt even the FDA would argue that point.
What is "inherent safety"? There is literally nothing you can consume or do that's 100% safe.
I understand what your saying and I don't wish bad health upon anyone. I don't know if your condition was tobacco related or from other lifestyle choices you made or the combo of a lot of different things.
If it was a smoking related illness my response would be (don't take this as a personal attack) you made the decsion to use a very large amount of tobacco on a daily basis, you continued to use it knowing full well it may cause harm, it was a conscious decsion to smoke.
No one has to smoke just as no one has to eat fatty foods all day long. The choice to quit is always there.
If I thought for a moment that any of this Government hearing, posturing and regulating had anything to do with safety but alas...
It's just another power and money grab, the reason for regulation is simple to control who gets the money and power and who gets the shaft.
Surprise, you get the shaft.
Think of the kids...
while you get the shaft.
It's just another power and money grab, the reason for regulation is simple to control who gets the money and power and who gets the shaft.
Surprise, you get the shaft.
Think of the kids...
while you get the shaft.
eCigs have already saved 10s of thousands of lives ... to ban them would prevent millions more lives being saved.
4 packs a day.
how much did you smoke?
and you still smoke?
so you can put them down any time by choice, but you don't?
i was at 4 packs a day...
not by choice. choice (and it was stupid) was to start smoking at all.
the rest was stressors and a rough life. by the time i got through each hurdle and it was too late, i realized my intake had increased. trying to decrease caused more stress which led to an increase.
i've quit some pretty hard stuff cold turkey. cigs, on the other hand... they had me by the cojones. i was and (by definition) will always be a serious addict.
that's why i won't even entertain revisiting "other" things recreationally even for a moment.
Does smoking having a immediate negative effect?? For most probably not, perhaps for some it does. Does it have long term noticeable effects?? Studies say its harmful.
Does vaping have a immediate negative effect?? For most probably not but perhaps for some. Does it have long term noticeable effects?? No one knows for sure if ingesting chemicals by vapor over a long period will kill you or cause or unrepaiable harm.
Does vaping have a immediate negative effect?? For most probably not but perhaps for some. Does it have long term noticeable effects?? No one knows for sure if ingesting chemicals by vapor over a long period will kill you or cause or unrepaiable harm.
we do know that 5 years later users are still reporting improved overall health, lung function, blood pressure, etc. ... while still using.
so is not knowing that the better alternative isn't 100% safe worth killing thousands by denying them the chance to quit what we know is going to kill at least 40% of them?
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