Should Electronic Cigarettes be Regulated as a Medicine? Like the Nicotrol Inhaler or the Nicotine Patches and Gums?

[sub4me]

Lol, that was funny.

 

[Woofer]

Lol.


Oh please, if we didn't have the FDA over seeing food drugs and alcohol that number would be hundreds of thousands of times greater, get real.

foodborne illness remains common in the United States; >9 million persons each year have a foodborne illness caused by a major pathogen

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe 9 million x hundreds of thousands is more then the total population of the USA.
And while you are at it tell me how many people get sick from vaping every year.

or

completely ignore the content of my message and reply with more FUD.

 

[sub4me]

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe 9 million x hundreds of thousands is more then the total population of the USA.
And while you are at it tell me how many people get sick from vaping every year.

or

completely ignore the content of my message and reply with more FUD.

I'm not the one in fear, uncertainty, or doubt but thanks for the concern. Oh if you didn't take notice we've had members concerned over illness'es they believe may be connected to vaping, but who knows sure.

I have no doubt once civil suits begin ingredients, contents, mixtures, sourcing and many other things will be brought to the forfront.

 

[Rossum]

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe 9 million x hundreds of thousands is more then the total population of the USA.
And while you are at it tell me how many people get sick from vaping every year.

or

completely ignore the content of my message and reply with more FUD.

It's more than the population of the entire solar system, but I do believe he meant "hundreds oR thousands".

Rossum's Razor: Never attribute to idiocy that which can be adequately explained by a simple typo, especially when the the typo in question involves adjacent keys.

However, he does seem to be a bit math challenged since "hundreds x 9 million" is more than the population of the USA and "thousands x 9 million is more than the population of planet Earth.

 

[Oberon75]

No idea what that is. It causes holes in intestines?

Cancer

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/acrylamide-in-food

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates acrylamide in drinking water. The EPA established an acceptable level of acrylamide exposure, set low enough to account for any uncertainty in the data relating acrylamide to cancer and neurotoxic effects. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulates the amount of residual acrylamide in a variety of materials that come in contact with food, but there are currently no guidelines governing the presence of acrylamide in food itself.

 

[Oberon75]

Lol, that was funny.

ANTZ humor?

 

[stevegmu]

Cancer

Acrylamide in Food and Cancer Risk - National Cancer Institute

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates acrylamide in drinking water. The EPA established an acceptable level of acrylamide exposure, set low enough to account for any uncertainty in the data relating acrylamide to cancer and neurotoxic effects. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulates the amount of residual acrylamide in a variety of materials that come in contact with food, but there are currently no guidelines governing the presence of acrylamide in food itself.

Just about everything has been linked to cancer; just like some vapers attribute all their ills to PG...

 

[sub4me]

Cancer

Acrylamide in Food and Cancer Risk - National Cancer Institute

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates acrylamide in drinking water. The EPA established an acceptable level of acrylamide exposure, set low enough to account for any uncertainty in the data relating acrylamide to cancer and neurotoxic effects. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulates the amount of residual acrylamide in a variety of materials that come in contact with food, but there are currently no guidelines governing the presence of acrylamide in food itself.

See you have nothing to worry about.

 

[sub4me]

It's more than the population of the entire solar system, but I do believe he meant "hundreds oR thousands".

Rossum's Razor: Never attribute to idiocy that which can be adequately explained by a simple typo, especially when the the typo in question involves adjacent keys.

However, he does seem to be a bit math challenged since "hundreds x 9 million" is more than the population of the USA and "thousands x 9 million is more than the population of planet Earth.

However I never related the numbers to the entire population. That was a comprehension issue with the reader that is now being used as a insult by you and him, more nonsense for inadequate understanding

 

[Oberon75]

Just about everything has been linked to cancer; just like some vapers attribute all their ills to PG...

My point exactly and if the ingredients in our liquids weren't vaped but still had the same so called harms, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because there would be no push for this kind of regulation.

But when vaping is stepping on BT and BF's toes, the FDA is going to regulate it while reaping millions of not billions of dollars in approval fees.

The Tobacco Control Act is known as the Altria Protection Act. The strict regulation of vaping to that is an extension of it.

 

[stevegmu]

My point exactly and if the ingredients in our liquids weren't vaped but still had the same so called harms, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because there would be no push for this kind of regulation.

But when vaping is stepping on BT and BF's toes, the FDA is going to regulate it while reaping millions of not billions of dollars in approval fees.

The Tobacco Control Act is known as the Altria Protection Act. The strict regulation of vaping to that is an extension of it.

You have never heard of diketones? TCA came out long before vaping was even on the radar...

 

[sub4me]

How long before we start seeing claims against e liquids manufacturers for addicting the public to nicotine by using clever slogans such as a healthy smoke, a healthy way to smoke, and smoking made healthy because warnings of addiction weren't present at time of sale??

 

[sub4me]

My point exactly and if the ingredients in our liquids weren't vaped but still had the same so called harms, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because there would be no push for this kind of regulation.

But when vaping is stepping on BT and BF's toes, the FDA is going to regulate it while reaping millions of not billions of dollars in approval fees.

The Tobacco Control Act is known as the Altria Protection Act. The strict regulation of vaping to that is an extension of it.

BFs toes?? I'm lost.

 

[stevegmu]

How long before we start seeing claims against e liquids manufacturers for addicting the public to nicotine by using clever slogans such as a healthy smoke, a healthy way to smoke, and smoking made healthy because warnings of addiction weren't present at time of sale??

Once the lawyers start to see vaping with dollar signs in their eyes...

There are new threads almost daily concerning those who think vaping is making them sick...

 

[sub4me]

Once the lawyers start to see vaping with dollar signs in their eyes...

There are new threads almost daily concerning those who think vaping is making them sick...

I see another big tobacco settlement coming, lol.

 

[Woofer]

I'm not the one in fear, uncertainty, or doubt but thanks for the concern. Oh if you didn't take notice we've had members concerned over illness'es they believe may be connected to vaping, but who knows sure.

I have no doubt once civil suits begin ingredients, contents, mixtures, sourcing and many other things will be brought to the forfront.

Your lack of uncertainty is exactly why you are frightening... and BTW your reply is FUD

OMG the sky is falling we need regulations to solve the huge problem with e-cig_stuff
No I don`t have any idea in actual numbers how big this problem is or if there even is one ...
We need to be saved we need regulations.

I asked you to tell me how many people get sick from vaping every year.
It is a simple question you chose not to answer, the truth is you don`t know!
All you have is FUD and opinions.

 

[stevegmu]

Your lack of uncertainty is exactly why you are frightening... and BTW your reply is FUD

OMG the sky is falling we need regulations to solve the huge problem with e-cig_stuff
No I don`t have any idea in actual numbers how big this problem is or if there even is one ...
We need to be saved we need regulations.

I asked you to tell me how many people get sick from vaping every year.
It is a simple question you chose not to answer, the truth is you don`t know!
All you have is FUD and opinions.

Apparently a lot of vapers on ECF think vaping is making them sick...

Health, Safety and Vaping

 

[Oberon75]

BFs toes?? I'm lost.

Yes big tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical are losing billions. RJ Reynolds is one of the biggest pro regulation lobbyists, giving a fortune to the government so they will impose regulation. They want regulation so they can have the market back.

 

[Woofer]

Apparently a lot of vapers on ECF think vaping is making them sick...

Health, Safety and Vaping

And apparently a lot do not think vaping is making them sick. I`m not sure what your point is.
The question remains, how many people get sick every year from vaping.
Is that number not a fundamental benchmark to determining how large a problem lack of regulation is or if there even is a problem.

 

[stevegmu]

Yes big tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical are losing billions. RJ Reynolds is one of the biggest pro regulation lobbyists, giving a fortune to the government so they will impose regulation. They want regulation so they can have the market back.

Surely they aren't losing the entire value of the e-cig business... Just about everyone I know who vapes also smokes... I even smoked a few this past vacation...