Should I use a separate carto for each flavor? What is this burning feeling in the back of my throat

[motherman]

Hi new to vaping. I'm buying a ton of sample flavors from different vendors to see what flavors work for me. I've been using the generic ones I got from ehoosier in one carto. After three days I kept getting this nasty after taste so I changed cartos, and put in my brand new gooey butter cake in a brand new carto.

Eventually it started burning the back of my throat, but it didn't taste burnt. I topped it off/refilled with a fruit flavor tastes ZERO of the fruit but a mild milky/cream taste. Quickly it started burning my throat again, yet again it didn't TASTE burnt like my old cartos did when juice ran out. I also taste ZERO of the fruit flavor.

Do i have to use a different carto for each flavor, if so any suggestions what to do while im sampling dozens of flavors? Also what is this complete burning feeling I'm getting in the back of my throat without a burning taste? I never had a burning feeling with any of the previous juices I used, just a bad after taste after 3 days of mixing flavors.

Thank you

 

[DaveP]

IMO, sampling of many flavors is best done using a 306 drip tip. You can wash it out with hot water in the sink, shake it, dry it, do a pulsed dry burn for a minute of so to finish the process, add new liquid and vape.

Once you have 4 or 5 flavors you want to rotate, fill a carto with each and vape them in rotation. Rotating cartos will give you long life since you aren't using the same carto all day long for days. They each will still give you days of life and a box will last you a month or so with intermittent vaping.

The burnt taste you are getting after several days of mixing flavors could be normal carto end of life or one juice that burned itself onto the coil. A carto will last one day to 6 or 7 days depending on the clarity of the juice and the amount of sediments in it and whether you keep it saturated. Sediments clog the filler. Dark juices are usually full of tiny suspended particles that taste good when vaped, but don't pass well through the mesh of the filler. You eventually get a starved coil that gets hotter than normal and begins to burn the juice.

That's why a dripper atty is good for testing juice. The hot water wash and dry burn cleans the coil. Some people use a turkey baster to do a hot water forced wash on their cartomizers. I bought one at Big Lots that has a tip that force fits into the carto. If you don't use them to the point of burning and caking juice on the coil, it can clean the gunk out of the filler to some degree.

 

[motherman]

What about the burning Im getting in my throat? I did the condom fill method with gooey butter cake on a brand new carto last night, i started to get my throat to burn not a burning taste. I topped it off twice now with a fruit flavor.. i taste ZERO fruit.. just a milky/creamy mouth taste (left over gooey butter cake that wont go away after 3 hours of vaping?)and an extreme burning in the back of my throat to the point of not being able to vape..

IMO, sampling of many flavors is best done using a 306 drip tip. You can wash it out with hot water in the sink, shake it, dry it, do a pulsed dry burn for a minute of so to finish the process, add new liquid and vape.

Once you have 4 or 5 flavors you want to rotate, fill a carto with each and vape them in rotation. Rotating cartos will give you long life since you aren't using the same carto all day long for days. They each will still give you days of life and a box will last you a month or so with intermittent vaping.

The burnt taste you are getting after several days of mixing flavors could be normal carto end of life or one juice that burned itself onto the coil. A carto will last one day to 6 or 7 days depending on the clarity of the juice and the amount of sediments in it and whether you keep it saturated. Sediments clog the filler. Dark juices are usually full of tiny suspended particles that taste good when vaped, but don't pass well through the mesh of the filler. You eventually get a starved coil that gets hotter than normal and begins to burn the juice.

That's why a dripper atty is good for testing juice. The hot water wash and dry burn cleans the coil. Some people use a turkey baster to do a hot water forced wash on their cartomizers. If you don't use them to the point of burning and caking juice on the coil, it can clean the gunk out of the filler to some degree.

 

[motherman]

For example I just topped it off with the fruit flavor for a second time. I taste ZERO fruit, even though i completely topped it off... just milky mouth feel burning back throat (but not burning flavor)

 

[DaveP]

What about the burning Im getting in my throat? I did the condom fill method with gooey butter cake on a brand new carto last night, i started to get my throat to burn not a burning taste. I topped it off twice now with a fruit flavor.. i taste ZERO fruit.. just a milky/creamy mouth taste (left over gooey butter cake that wont go away after 3 hours of vaping?)and an extreme burning in the back of my throat to the point of not being able to vape..

Gooey was the giveaway! Cartos like clear juices. If it's milky or dark to the point of blocking light, then it may just be a carto killer. Try the drip tip. You might like it better for sweet, thick, or high sediment juices.

Once you use certain juices, the carto is destined to die an early death or at best retain traces of the old juice forever. Dedicated cartos are the answer.

 

[motherman]

Ok thanks. I used cartos because I didn't enjoy taking 3 pulls then redripping 3 pulls redripping. I guess the gooey killed the carto for any other flavor.. didn't even know it was possible.. figured the flavor would eventually go away and give way to a new one.. ok thanks!..

Gooey was the giveaway! Cartos like clear juices. If it's milky or dark to the point of blocking light, then it may just be a carto killer. Try the drip tip. You might like it better for sweet, thick, or high sediment juices.

Once you use certain juices, the carto is destined to die an early death or at best retain traces of the old juice forever. Dedicated cartos are the answer.

 

[DaveP]

I vape mostly tobacco type flavors and most of those are clear or at least yellowish, but translucent. Even with those, changing flavors results in a mix for a long time. I mix tobacco certain tobacco flavored juices deliberately to flavor the mix in the carto. Once I do that, the carto is tainted with the taste of one or the other or both flavors forever. I can steer it back by sticking to one juice for a day, but it's never like opening a new carto.

I drip only intermittently and it's usually when I get in a new juice and want to try it without messing up a perfectly good carto.

This might be a carto saver for you. Try it and see. I'm sure that some juices are harder to clear than others, but it's worth a try. Forward and backward washing could be fruitful (pun intended).

 

[hairball]

The best way to test flavors is with an atomizer. Also, let your juices sit a week before testing so that the flavors blend and come through.

 

[McAldo]

I certainly agree that using a 306 is a great way of testing flavours.
Just, I am not sure dry burning after cleaning is a good idea, it's easy to damage the atty that way. Ikenvape explicitly discourage dry burning of their attys, as it will shorten their life considerably.
The burning on your throat might be caused by dry burning of the coil if it's not wet enough. If that's the case, I would simply throw it away, releases from dry burn are extremely unhealthy, let alone unpleasant, I think.

As for the fruity juices not tasting of anything, consider that there are many factors influencing how a flavour behaves.
One is the temperature juice get vapourized, so changing vattage or resistance might yield very different results.
A not wet enough or too wet coil will also kill flavour.
But the first thing is to check the same juice on a atty, and see what it tastes like to you.
If it still tastes of nothing or very weak, probably it's just too weak for your tastebuds.
Set it aside for a while, it might work better for you in a few months, because both taste buds and juices can evolve over time, some time for the better

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[mattiem]

The burning in your throat my also be caused by too high nic strength and too much PG. My husband was having what sounds like the problem you are having with your throat burning without tasting like a burnt carto.

We have lowered his nic to 18mg (may have to go even lower) and a 75VG/25PG mix and it is helping.

 

[motherman]

Thanks I tried a flavor I know with the gooey butter cake tainted carto and its strait up still milky/cream taste so i assume after what you guys said.. the strong gooey butter cake forever tainted the carto...

its just weird that this carto is pretty much brand new from last night... and even when I fill it with juice it starts to burn my throat pretty quick... i condomed filled gooey butter cake.. smoked it till it was burning my throat.. topped it off with fruit flavored...burnt pretty quick.. condom filled with fruit flavor just to make sure it was filled...hurt my throat.. then i topped it off with a flavor i know to test if I can taste that at all.. still burns...a few hours of using a carto making sure it was never dry would burn it out and burn my throat?

edit: my carto looks pretty clean no tainted colors if that means anything

I certainly agree that using a 306 is a great way of testing flavours.
Just, I am not sure dry burning after cleaning is a good idea, it's easy to damage the atty that way. Ikenvape explicitly discourage dry burning of their attys, as it will shorten their life considerably.
The burning on your throat might be caused by dry burning of the coil if it's not wet enough. If that's the case, I would simply throw it away, releases from dry burn are extremely unhealthy, let alone unpleasant, I think.

As for the fruity juices not tasting of anything, consider that there are many factors influencing how a flavour behaves.
One is the temperature juice get vapourized, so changing vattage or resistance might yield very different results.
A not wet enough or too wet coil will also kill flavour.
But the first thing is to check the same juice on a atty, and see what it tastes like to you.
If it still tastes of nothing or very weak, probably it's just too weak for your tastebuds.
Set it aside for a while, it might work better for you in a few months, because both taste buds and juices can evolve over time, some time for the better

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[mattiem]

Mixing totally different flavors in the same carto seldom ever works out. You may be able to mix different fruit juices in the same one and end up with some interesting flavors. I don't think there is any way to get fruit and bakery flavors to taste good. JMHO

 

[Harplayr]

What strength Nic, what is the resistance of the carto (LR, HR), what are you vaping with (voltage) and PG/VG ratio.
These can all factor in to the level of throat hit and the apparent heat of the vape.

 

[motherman]

24mg nic 50/50 lr boge cartos.. kgo battery...i noticed now more than anything... it seems like these cartos are holding less juice.. and the juice gets used up 20x faster than my previous 3 cartos.. maybe that has something to do with it... and its not a throat hit.. its literally burning of my throat...any reason why the juice would be used up so quick? I used to get a good 30 minutes of chain vaping with a full boge carto give or take.. now its a handfull of puffs

What strength Nic, what is the resistance of the carto (LR, HR), what are you vaping with (voltage) and PG/VG ratio.
These can all factor in to the level of throat hit and the apparent heat of the vape.

 

[McAldo]

24mg nic 50/50 lr boge cartos.. kgo battery...i noticed now more than anything... it seems like these cartos are holding less juice.. and the juice gets used up 20x faster than my previous 3 cartos.. maybe that has something to do with it... and its not a throat hit.. its literally burning of my throat...any reason why the juice would be used up so quick? I used to get a good 30 minutes of chain vaping with a full boge carto give or take.. now its a handfull of puffs

Sound strange if they are the same kind of cartos.
This said, 30 mins chainvaping at 24mg has quite a lot of potential for causing problems to your throat.
Consider that our throat and mouth are quite resilient, so it takes a while to build up enough damage that vaping and smoking become painful.
Not sure if that might be part of the problem, but based on my personal experience it could be.
Also, some flavours, notably clove and cinnamon, can cause serious damage.
For a few day I chain vaped hot cinnamon no problem, then it suddendly gave me 4 days of sore throat, vaping anything..
I ditched hot cinnamon forever

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[motherman]

ok thanks for the insight! It seems like i get 1/10th the pulls as my previous cartos (everything is hte same) it just burns all the juice quicker and then burns my throat... no idea why its burning juices so fast..

Sound strange if they are the same kind of cartos.
This said, 30 mins chainvaping at 24mg has quite a lot of potential for causing problems to your throat.
Consider that our throat and mouth are quite resilient, so it takes a while to build up enough damage that vaping and smoking become painful.
Not sure if that might be part of the problem, but based on my personal experience it could be.
Also, some flavours, notably clove and cinnamon, can cause serious damage.
For a few day I chain vaped hot cinnamon no problem, then it suddendly gave me 4 days of sore throat, vaping anything..
I ditched hot cinnamon forever

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[DaveP]

It could be that the cake juice is really thick and sedimentary and not permeating the fibers down to the coil. You should be able to get 20 drops to soak in without pooling until you get toward the end (pooling is when you stop adding drops). You can also drip a couple or three drops into the center hole in the threaded end. The coil is at that end and you will be adding juice where it needs to be. That's why the condom method is so good. It fills the center air tube completely and juice gets into the coil area.

Sometimes I have to leave my carto in the condom for an hour or so with a new carto to make sure it saturates. Check it periodically to ensure that a little juice stays pooled on top. Add if necessary. Once you get a carto properly saturated, it becomes easy to keep it topped off by adding some from the top here and there. White filler is your indicator that it needs more drops added.

I also set my ecig vertically when I put it down to let gravity feed the coil. You may have some juices that just don't like carto filler. You can try dripping into an atty to see. Just drip 3 drops onto the mesh bridge and vape. When it begins to taste dry, add another couple and go again. 3 drops at first makes sure that the mesh in the bridge gets saturated and some gets into the cup.

 

[motherman]

I got to believe its SOMETHING with the cake juice. I opened a brand new carto for it and did a condom method, now they are holding at most 6 drops and burning in a few pulls... weird.. that stuff must be like cement?

It could be that the cake juice is really thick and sedimentary and not permeating the fibers down to the coil. You should be able to get 20 drops to soak in without pooling until you get toward the end (pooling is when you stop adding drops). You can also drip a couple or three drops into the center hole in the threaded end. The coil is at that end and you will be adding juice where it needs to be. That's why the condom method is so good. It fills the center air tube completely and juice gets into the coil area.

Sometimes I have to leave my carto in the condom for an hour or so with a new carto to make sure it saturates. Check it periodically to ensure that a little juice stays pooled on top. Add if necessary. Once you get a carto properly saturated, it becomes easy to keep it topped off by adding some from the top here and there. White filler is your indicator that it needs more drops added.

I also set my ecig vertically when I put it down to let gravity feed the coil. You may have some juices that just don't like carto filler. You can try dripping into an atty to see. Just drip 3 drops onto the mesh bridge and vape. When it begins to taste dry, add another couple and go again. 3 drops at first makes sure that the mesh in the bridge gets saturated and some gets into the cup.

 

[motherman]

Does this make sense.. it looks like all the juice is leaking out of the middle hole.. but Im being extra careful not to get any down there... looks like the paper that makes up the middle shaft could be compromised and it be a shotty carto? Because i see juice on the side.. hence getting less hits and the burning feeling?

Edit - Could I have broken it by filling it originally with the condom method? Thats the only thing new besides new juice

 

[dragonladee]

When I fill a carto, I hold it at a 45 degree angle (slanted, not straight up and down) and drip while rotating it. This allows the juice time to saturate down before I get back to put a drop down in the same spot. Not using this method makes it easy to think the carto is full because it is pooling at the top of the filler material even though it is not full, or to drip it straight down the hole without saturating the filler.

If the juice is leaking out of the middle hole, you are either 1) overfilling it by alot or 2) dripping it down the hole rather than into the filler material.

Some really sugary flavors kill a carto quickly. I had a small bottle of cotton candy that I let sit in my storage for a few months with others I'd bought at the same time...the CC turned dark brown and thick-like it carmelized or something-while the rest remained the same as they were. It has to be something in some of these flavorings that changes in composition with heat maybe? I dunno, but many people report that the sugary flavors are killers.

Also, the higher the VG content, the faster they can clog and quit on you.

I don't see how you could kill a carto by condom filling it, but I'm certainly not an expert. Regarding flavors-you can mix whatever you want. But you won't know the true flavor of a juice unless you use a clean carto or drip.
Cartos CAN be cleaned. I blow them out, then boil water in a pan and remove it from heat and soak cartos for about 10 minutes, then rinse them, blow as much water out as I can, and let dry overnight. If you are using the same juice in them, this method works great. If you want to use a different juice in them, sometimes there will still be a lingering taste of whatever was in them before. Some flavors are worse than others-my mint juices rinse totally clean and you can't taste any afterwards-but vanilla just will NOT no matter what.

Not sure what is burning your throat. The only time I've ever heard of that is from allergic type reactions. A friend of mine can't vape anything with cinnamon in it, and it is in some juices that you wouldn't think it would be. Rarely people are allergic or sensitive to the base and have to try varying the PG/VG contents until they get a mix that doesn't bother them.