should we be stocking up just in case

[DC2]

They represent vapers...like you and me....

CASAA does not just "represent" vapers like you and me, they ARE vapers like you and me.


For those that don't know it (and it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet) CASAA was born on this very forum.
The members of CASAA were elected, and subsequently voted on, by all of us.

They represent our best, our brightest, and our most passionate.
And passion can move mountains.

And they have done more for vaping than any of us had any right to expect, or even imagine.
Supporting them in their efforts (OUR efforts) is the biggest no-brainer in the history of mankind, with all due respect to Lennox Financial.

 

[Hulamoon]

Wow Mountain_Rain, you really are experiencing big old episodes of life and my prayers go to you and your family. You're right in so many ways - we get bogged down in the small stuff and the big stuff just comes in and smacks us on the nose when we're not looking. I only wish that your big stuff had been a lottery win or a trip to Hawaii, anything but losing a child. Welcome to the forum anyway and hang in there with us. As you say, it will all get figured out one way or another. We'll make mods out of flashlights if we need to and soak snus for vaping or something along those lines if the worst happens, and there'll still be a forum as there's too many good folks here to lose touch with.

Jeebus...I've been reading this thread for over two hours, and haven't even passed page 20...so what I say may have already been mentioned by someone, I don't know, but I have to get off my behind and begin the day.

I just joined CASAA, for obvious reasons, but I'm not panicking. I'm going to turn 50 in a couple of more months, and I've seen far too many instances where people have bought into the herd mentality and panicked, often in hilarious, and sometimes even in dangerous fashion. I'm not saying our rights as vapers are not, or could not be challenged or taken away, I know the threat is very real, and I even plan on donating money to the CASAA, once they send me their member verification link (haven't received it yet, what gives?), but I REFUSE to panick. I do know that someone else already mentioned this, but we, as humans, are incredibly, remarkably resiliant, and innovative. If vaping, and all the 'toys' that come with it are outright banned, someone somewhere else will come up with a legal way around it and start selling it 15 minutes before the ban. Or 15 weeks before, etc, etc.

Life is too short to spend it constantly worrying about things like this. In a twist of irony, just several days ago reading about this did, in fact, make my blood boil. Today, not so much. Not at all, in fact. Why? I guess I have a Zen-like attitude about it now. Just yesterday I visited my Dad in the hospital, and spent several hours with him. He's 70 years old. And for the first time ever, if you can understand this, I seemed to finally see, for the first time, just how frail and old he not only appears to be, but actually IS. I love my father dearly, and know that I could lose him at any time of any day. Same with my mother, brothers, my sister, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My wife and I lost a son (13 years old) in 2003, and like I said, life is just too short to be obsessing over and worrying about things like this.

Whatever happens, I'll just deal with it. I can and WILL find alternatives, and there WILL be alternatives, eventually, or even immediately. There are alternatives NOW, if you can read, and google. It's not the end of the world. The bottom line is this: No matter what does happen, when it comes to anything smoking/vaping/whatever related, BT and the pharmaceutical companies will never see another red cent of my money. Not. One. Red. Cent.

 

[Hulamoon]

I can see the knee jerk reaction of us ex-smokers and smokers who've cut down considerably hollering "Don't Do It!!!" but then I think of all the times I was told not to do it ...and did it anyway -and so did ya'll reading this. I'm more concerned that if folk are looking at vaping, then they're as likely to go to smoking anyway; and I would prefer they do the former. Diet control, stress reduction et al are all symbiotic of cigarette smoking "benefits", so I'd as soon they went this way than that way. While new smokers are declining in numbers, there's still way too many starting up, and I just think it is something we do need to think about vs just seeing them start what we all spent years trying to quit. Not intending to stir anything up, but it's a somewhat different angle I offer.

We've been seeing more and more new members come here very recently who have never smoked a cigarette in their life inquiring about e-cigs as a form of diet control, or for stress reduction, or just because it "looks interesting" and they want to fit in with their smoking or vaping peers.

I'm not sure how to view these people. They are thinking of starting a behavior that has unknown but possible risk factors that has previously been only used because of an existing addiction to nicotine. Even if they use a no-nicotine e-liquid, I can't say that I could comfortably recommend to one of these non-smoking "gateway" consumers an e-cig with a good conscience. But on the other hand I believe people should be free to choose what they want to do.

I even took this matter up with a CASAA member here who expressed her personal opinion to me in a PM, and she was going to bring the subject up to other CASAA members at their next board meeting as they do not currently have a policy concerning non-smoking consumers taking up e-cig.

 

[Lexi Kavanaugh]

Well said, Hula… well said.

 

[Robino1]

I'm not sure why CASAA should have a policy? Do they not represent all vapers, no matter how they got to vaping? Will they deny representing vapers who've never smoked? Will we have to fill out an application to then join CASAA?

Let's say my grandaughter came to me and asked me what the healthier choice would be.....smoking, like her mom (my daughter) or vaping like me. She's a strong willed little thing and she happens to have smokers all around her. I know in my heart that she would eventually pick up a cigarette. I would first try to reason out that either is not a good thing to start. That I'm vaping because I could not stop smoking and that her mom still smokes because she cannot quit.

I can see it now, the eyes glaze over and the mental eye roll can be sensed just by the body language. Then I truthfully will tell that precious offspring that if she is bound and determined, vaping is a much better alternative. That I would prefer her to vape zero nic so she doesn't get addicted and it will be easier for her to stop vaping when she's done going through this phase.

I do believe that my starting to smoke would have been just a phase to go through but the addictive quality of cigs kept me from getting out of that phase. My knee jerk reaction is "Don't start!" My common sense reaction, if you're going to do it anyway, I'd rather you vape zero nic. My two cents for what it's worth.

 

[VappyMac]

I don't think they can get awau with banning them... I predict the tax that they post with yobacco will be in favor tho... that will deff mark up the prices but owell

 

[chalton36]

Bumped this for any new forum members to read and join CASAA

 

[relevantusername]

I see people vaping more and more, and get asked to leave certain places more often (than I did when I tried blu a while back), I wouldn't be surprised if it became a possibility in the near future.

On the University campus here, they banned smoking, and that includes e-cigs.

I'm not going to stockpile for now...but I do think it's worth learning DIY stuff just in case.

 

[Koman]

I see people vaping more and more, and get asked to leave certain places more often (than I did when I tried blu a while back), I wouldn't be surprised if it became a possibility in the near future.

On the University campus here, they banned smoking, and that includes e-cigs.

I'm not going to stockpile for now...but I do think it's worth learning DIY stuff just in case.

Same here man

 

[kl5167]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and my opinion on it is we probably should stock up some. While it is unlikely that the FDA will ban the entire e-cig market, the current trend is pointing towards more regulation. That will mean at a minimum some type of taxes and more control over the market. That could mean higher prices and limited/no internet sales. This would effectively put a stop to it for me and a lot of other people for quite some time. I doubt that it will effect the hardware side of this much, but it will effect the e-liquid. I can't speak for everyone but I know for my situation I have no other way to obtain the items but over the internet. So i have stocked up on most of what I will need until I go on a vacation again. To me this is somewhat simple there is "threat" to interrupt the supply and demand chain. When that happens it only makes sense to purchase more up front at a lower cost and then replenish it as time goes on as it is available. Now that being said I don't think we need to go and purchase everything that is available right this minute. But it never hurts to have a few month supply of anything you use that might become limited.

 

[Txrider]

???? So something is going to happen to the E-cig and juce sooner or later which will with out a doubt put a holt on us getting juice etc so what's everyone's thoughts????

Should we be preparing for E day ??,
or do we think its a long way of yet??

I know here in the uk they are not looking to ban but regulate or the NHS will be the only ones who can administrate them etc either way I'm maybe thinking I should be buying juice now in bigger quantitys and battery etc. ..any thoughts guys???

From the looks of things right now 'm getting the feel that we are making enough noise, and enough studies have been done, that ecigs are not going away via the FDA. Even if they did we would get a pretty good warning of the proposed regulations in plenty of time to stock up.

Even if they limited juice to an absurdly low nic level, I am confident I could order whatever nic level juice I want from overseas anyway as customs certainly is never going to start testing nic levels.

And even if all that happened and I couldn't get any overseas I could still get pharmaceutical nicotine and make my own, I just prefer not to now as it's a pain to do and be good and safe while doing so.

Personally I just plan to keep an eye on what they are doing right now, and what regulations they end up proposing this year, and if the proposal bans anything I'll stock up on juice then as there should be months of time to do so in any case.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

This is all good, thoughtful discussion !
If you believe you need to stock up because of the 'unknowns', or not- I still believe it would be wise to have a three to six months supply of something that you need/use daily...something as important as vape juice, which may or may not be easily acquired.
If nothing happens...your ahead of the game.
If something happens...you have a 'window' to figure out 'plan B'.

Any way you choose...please join and support CASAA...
And then maybe we won't have to stock ahead at all !

 

[junkman]

... I could still get pharmaceutical nicotine and make my own...

I think that is a big, big assumption.

 

[FrankLantern]

I didn't read through all 62 pages of this thread..... I would imagine someone has already pointed this out.

'War on Drugs'..'Prohibition'..?

If there is demand for a product the market will create supply, albeit illegally, regardless of what morality the govt wishes to impose.

And yes, I have donated to CASA just because I don't need the excitement gained from using a banned substance. Already took that vacation.

It is rather humorous though to imagine DEA agents flying around in helicopters looking for tobacco plants. Maybe Season 7 has Walter in a new underground lab extracting nicotine from a hybrid strain of plants Jessie cultivated

 

[DPLongo22]

Better yet, bring back the Botwins! They wouldn't even have to change the name of the show. It's just DIFFERENT {edit}.

I didn't read through all 62 pages of this thread..... I would imagine someone has already pointed this out.

'War on Drugs'..'Prohibition'..?

If there is demand for a product the market will create supply, albeit illegally, regardless of what morality the govt wishes to impose.

And yes, I have donated to CASA just because I don't need the excitement gained from using a banned substance. Already took that vacation.

It is rather humorous though to imagine DEA agents flying around in helicopters looking for tobacco plants. Maybe Season 7 has Walter in a new underground lab extracting nicotine from a hybrid strain of plants Jessie cultivated

 

[Txrider]

I think that is a big, big assumption.

Until next January it is available as an organic insecticide for organically grown produce. I happen to live on a little 11 acre farm of my own..

After that I could still get it 99% pure from domestic manufacturers, I would simply have to state a usage that is allowed. The last place I looked sold 100g of 99% pure for $170.00 online.

 

[Txrider]

I didn't read through all 62 pages of this thread..... I would imagine someone has already pointed this out.

'War on Drugs'..'Prohibition'..?

If there is demand for a product the market will create supply, albeit illegally, regardless of what morality the govt wishes to impose.

And yes, I have donated to CASA just because I don't need the excitement gained from using a banned substance. Already took that vacation.

It is rather humorous though to imagine DEA agents flying around in helicopters looking for tobacco plants. Maybe Season 7 has Walter in a new underground lab extracting nicotine from a hybrid strain of plants Jessie cultivated

I doubt they would ever make growing tobacco illegal for personal use, just as you can perfectly legally make your own moonshine and beer yourself if you want to for your own personal use.

 

[junkman]

Until next January it is available as an organic insecticide for organically grown produce. I happen to live on a little 11 acre farm of my own..

After that I could still get it 99% pure from domestic manufacturers, I would simply have to state a usage that is allowed. The last place I looked sold 100g of 99% pure for $170.00 online.

It wouldn't take much to make insecticide non vapable. Look at denatured alcohol.

 

[junkman]

I doubt they would ever make growing tobacco illegal for personal use, just as you can make your own moonshine and beer yourself if you want to.

Can you provide a link for a how-to for extracting nicotine from tobacco leaf. I really would like to see how it is done.

 

[sonicdsl]

Careful with the discussion here folks.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html