Sigelei 213 owners thread

[Nailz]

If you're a power mode vaper, I wouldn't cancel. I'd order 2 more of these mods if I had the money. $80 delivered is a hell of a deal for this small, lightweight, powerful, amazing hardware build quality, fast charging, beautiful, preheating, REAL carbon fibre mod.

The "screen garble" is cosmetic ONLY, and does not impede function in any way. It also only happens when accessing preheat menu from sleep, so if you don't want to see it, just don't do that. Even if you do, you can still read and set it. This has been blown out of proportion; very minor issue here.


It sucks that it isn't working out for he TC guys, and I rally hope sigelei makes it right. But it's still an AWESOME mod for VW.

Well it also has the misfire problem too though, I agree it is a great looking mod, lightweight and small for a dual 18650 mod, but I wouldn't of spent $80 on it, if had known about the misfire before buying.

 

[SteamHead]

I've had mine for 5 days, and it hasn't misfired once.

 

[f1vefour]

I've had mine for 5 days, and it hasn't misfire once.

But it will if you hit that 15 second bug.

I don't understand how you think a device that has so many issues is worth $80? It certainly isn't a deal in current form. If the issues were nonexistent I agree, not a bad price at all.

 

[TechnoGeek]

If you're a power mode vaper, I wouldn't cancel, or maybe order from MVS instead. I'd order 2 more of these mods if I had the money. $80 delivered is a hell of a deal for this small, lightweight, powerful, amazing hardware build quality, fast charging, beautiful, preheating, REAL carbon fibre mod.

The "screen garble" is cosmetic ONLY, and does not impede function in any way. It also only happens when accessing preheat menu from sleep, so if you don't want to see it, just don't do that. Even if you do, you can still read and set it. This has been blown out of proportion; very minor issue here.


It sucks that it isn't working out for the TC guys, and I rally hope Sigelei makes it right. But it's still an AWESOME mod for VW.

I REALLY don't understand your logic at all....
So besides :

1. TCR NOT working at all.
2. TFR only working SOMETIMES.
3. Misfires
4. Screen corruption
5. Questionable ability for firmware updates
6. Sigelei contacting vendors, and changing their(Sigelei's) return policy applied to said vendors so they can't return defective units to Sigelei for credit.
7. Device only produced by Sigelei, actually MOD & chip designed by Suprimo, according to Suprimo. BUT Sigelei claims they made it, and have some type of patent....Hmmmmm... Sigelei Patented Innovation?!?!? http://www.sigelei.com/data/afficheimg/20160322gwosxj.jpg

In regards to number 6.... Do you honestly think other vendors are not going to respond in like?!?!?! Those other vendors have already paid Sigelei for the units received, and now Sigelei will not honor their warranty/agreement to their own authorized resellers so they can accept/return defective units!!!! Think about that for just a minute..... If you were a Sigelei reseller, would you ever want to deal with them again? I wouldn't.....

So in conclussion, given all of the above, QUOTING YOU -->
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I'd order 2 more of these mods if I had the money. $80 delivered is a hell of a deal for this small, lightweight, powerful, amazing hardware build quality, fast charging, beautiful, preheating, REAL carbon fibre mod.
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I'm almost at a loss for words......
[Sarcastic Humor On]
So, in your opinion the Ford Pinto was a great little economy car, fantastic gas mileage, low cost, ahead of it's time. Was a great deal, and an amazing buy for those on a budget!!! Unless you happened to be rear ended and it exploded, in which case you probably died, but other than that it was great! If you had the money you'd buy one for all your family and friends!!!
[Sarcastic Humor Off]

 

[KayP]

LOLz

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[GeorgeS]

If you're a power mode vaper, I wouldn't cancel, or maybe order from MVS instead. I'd order 2 more of these mods if I had the money. $80 delivered is a hell of a deal for this small, lightweight, powerful, amazing hardware build quality, fast charging, beautiful, preheating, REAL carbon fibre mod.

The "screen garble" is cosmetic ONLY, and does not impede function in any way.

So your saying your mod is 100% functional in all modes?

It also only happens when accessing preheat menu from sleep, so if you don't want to see it, just don't do that.

It only garbles when entering it from sleep for you? Some of us get garbled screens when entering the menu at random times - including from sleep.

Even if you do, you can still read and set it. This has been blown out of proportion; very minor issue here.

You know, if it were only the garbled screen and power mode non-functional I'd agree with you. I never use power mode (other than dry burning coils, I have other mods I can do that with) so if that were the case, I'd agree that I would not care if a mode/function I'd never use was broken.

It sucks that it isn't working out for the TC guys, and I rally hope Sigelei makes it right. But it's still an AWESOME mod for VW.

I've been moving my dual coil builds/tanks to dual battery mods. If/when functional the 213 could fit the bill. Smaller and lighter than a Cuboid, nice finish and 2A charging. There IS a lot to like, if all the features on the 213 worked the SXminiQ would be a very hard sell considering it costs more and on paper has less features.

 

[rice721]

In all seriousness I don't have buyers remorse with this one. However, it will probably be the last device I buy from Sigelei. Feels a bit shady on their part.

[edit] Unless ofcourse they fix the TCR / TFR function, misfire, and garbled screen.

 

[SteamHead]

But it will if you hit that 15 second bug.

I don't understand how you think a device that has so many issues is worth $80? It certainly isn't a deal in current form. If the issues were nonexistent I agree, not a bad price at all.

Because in actual day-to-day usage, none of these issues affect me. At all. People regularly used to pay hundreds of dollars for an "authentic" mech mod, with no adjustability at all, and probably still do. They were probably very happy about their purchase! It also used to be very common for people to spend over a hundred dollars for an "authentic" Kayfun tank that couldn't be vaped over 20 watts. To me, this was beyond ridiculous. But I also didn't attack people (the way some are attacking me) for having the opinion that a $150 Kayfun was "worth it".

I REALLY don't understand your logic at all....
So besides :

1. TCR NOT working at all.
2. TFR only working SOMETIMES.
3. Misfires
4. Screen corruption
5. Questionable ability for firmware updates
6. Sigelei contacting vendors, and changing their(Sigelei's) return policy applied to said vendors so they can't return defective units to Sigelei for credit.
7. Device only produced by Sigelei, actually MOD & chip designed by Suprimo, according to Suprimo. BUT Sigelei claims they made it, and have some type of patent....Hmmmmm... Sigelei Patented Innovation?!?!? http://www.sigelei.com/data/afficheimg/20160322gwosxj.jpg

In regards to number 6.... Do you honestly think other vendors are not going to respond in like?!?!?! Those other vendors have already paid Sigelei for the units received, and now Sigelei will not honor their warranty/agreement to their own authorized resellers so they can accept/return defective units!!!! Think about that for just a minute..... If you were a Sigelei reseller, would you ever want to deal with them again? I wouldn't.....

So in conclussion, given all of the above, QUOTING YOU -->
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I'd order 2 more of these mods if I had the money. $80 delivered is a hell of a deal for this small, lightweight, powerful, amazing hardware build quality, fast charging, beautiful, preheating, REAL carbon fibre mod.
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I'm almost at a loss for words......
[Sarcastic Humor On]
So, in your opinion the Ford Pinto was a great little economy car, fantastic gas mileage, low cost, ahead of it's time. Was a great deal, and an amazing buy for those on a budget!!! Unless you happened to be rear ended and it exploded, in which case you probably died, but other than that it was great! If you had the money you'd buy one for all your family and friends!!!
[Sarcastic Humor Off]

An awfully long post for someone at a loss for words. Plenty of companies MUCH larger than Sigelei want you to deal with their warranty department rather than bothering the vendors. It's a very common business practice (source: I buy things).

You seem to be rather upset that I'm enjoying my 213. Perhaps you would like to steer me towards a mod that would better fit my needs (small, sexy, preheating, fast charging), and the needs of other power mode vapers seeking a small preheating mod?

I was very clear when I stated that I do feel badly for anyone who vapes TC exclusively. If it was me, I'd be ....... I also hope that Sigelei will fix this situation, either through an update, or an RMA.


As to your ridiculous analogy, my 213 has yet to explode, kill, or maim me, or any of my family or friends... but I'll keep an eye on it.

 

[TechnoGeek]

I don't know.... I was considering the Sigelei initially, but didn't like the prices I was seeing at first, $139 was just WAY too high. I was thinking $75 on the top end, and sure. Sure, under the assumption it worked as advertised, AND it had firmware updates. Since Sigelei has never done firmware updates, this was my biggest concern. If the device had an issue, could they 'Sigelei' fix it with firmware updates. So, instead of buying one when the price was around $75.00, I thought I'd wait for the 'real world' reviews, from people who bought it, and use it every day.

I did a bit of digging.... The information I found is....interesting....Looks a bit shady to me, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong, you decide for yourself......

With the post on Vapenw.com, about Sigelei changing their warranty policy. AND the HORRIBLE warranty site with chin-glish.....

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No idea about all the links for postage reimbursement either to www.168vape.com
it's registered in China, and I can query the whois server.....

WARRANTY INFORMATION


Sigelei USA After-Sale Center

Address: 1500 S Milliken Ave.，# F，Ontario，CA 91761

Email: warranty@ci-garette.com

Telephone: 1 (909) 218-4484



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www.168vape.com is registered in China...

Registrar: HICHINA ZHICHENG TECHNOLOGY LTD.
Whois Server: grs-whois.hichina.com
Creation Date: 25-MAR-2016
Updated Date: 25-MAR-2016
Expiration Date: 25-MAR-2019

and it was JUST created in March...

Other things look.... a bit shady to me.... so.... www.acmvape.com LOOKS like a warranty company, right? Meaning, a third party? I'm not saying it states that, it just gives the appearance of NOT being Sigelei.

but.... It's Sigelei... How do I know?

Well, we do a whois for www.acmvape.com, and what do we get?


Domain Name: ACMVAPE.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1873084237_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy
Update Date: 2015-08-26T09:44:27Z
Creation Date: 2014-08-28T02:24:37Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-08-28T02:24:37Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Resources - ICANN
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited Resources - ICANN
Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited Resources - ICANN
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Ou junbiao
Registrant Organization: ACM Supplies co
Registrant Street: 730 N. DIAMOND BAR
Registrant City: Los Angeles
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Postal Code: 91765
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +86.6269997295
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 1620439614@qq.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Ou junbiao
Admin Organization: ACM Supplies co
Admin Street: 730 N. DIAMOND BAR
Admin City: Los Angeles
Admin State/Province: California
Admin Postal Code: 91765
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +86.6269997295

See the highlighted name: Ou junbiao

Here is his facebook page :

https://www.facebook.com/junbiao.ou.5

The more I look, the shadier it appears to me... The registered address :

730 N Diamond Bar Blvd, Diamond Bar, CA 91765

Google it, comes up with a whole slew of hits, mostly lawyers, financial Services, IT services, Home businesses, etc... My guess, it's a rent a desk/mail drop service at that address....

The business given in the DNS registry is

ACM Supplies Co...

Only reference I found was :
https://www.californiaexplore.com/company/03707706/acm-supplies-inc

Company Name ACM Supplies, Inc.
Company Agent Huilan Gao
Company Status Active
Company Number C3707706
Company Type Domestic Stock
Jurisdiction CA
Incorporation Date 2 September 2014 (1 year, 8 months ago)
Last Statement Filed 8 February 2016 (3 months, 1 week ago)
ADDRESS
Address 730 N Diamond Bar Blvd
Diamond Bar
CA
91765
AGENT ADDRESS
Agent Address 730 N Diamond Bar Blvd
Diamond Bar
CA
91765
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About that phone number listed for warranty service.....1 (909) 218-4484
It can be found referenced :
http://www.asmodus.com/Laisimo-s/1864.htm
http://laisimo.com/article.php?id=9



Anyway, I'm done searching.... ACMVAPE.COM is registered to the Ou junbiao the CEO of Sigelei. Which is related to ACM Suppplies Company, which is related to Huilan Gao, at an address that looks like it's a rent-a-desk....

 

[SteamHead]

@GeorgeS: Not sure if the other modes function, and I probably never will. I was just trying to let other VW-only vapers know, that this "issue" is pretty much a non-issue. Even if it does garble, the preheat is still set-able and fucntioning. Mine never "garbles" while the mod is awake, btw.

 

[GeorgeS]

@GeorgeS: Not sure if the other modes function, and I probably never will. I was just trying to let other VW-only vapers know, that this "issue" is pretty much a non-issue. Even if it does garble, the preheat is still set-able and fucntioning. Mine never "garbles" while the mod is awake, btw.

If I were like you and only used VW mode, I'd also likely be happy with the device. It looks GOOD, feels GOOD in the hand and has that industry leading 2A USB charging going for it. I'm glad it can at least be used in VW mode. How's the battery life? If/when you chain vape does the device get at all warm?

While I'm not quite sure it is worth the price I paid for it, I've paid far more for SXmini devices. Actually most of my vaping gear is not "practical" however I never considered that as a requirement for purchasing.

 

[KayP]

Crikey, things took a turn. Can't say I'm surprised though.

@SteamHead I'm glad to hear that you are happy with your mod and that you are not experiencing as many issues as others are. I do agree with you, it's a sexy little device, hence why we all went for it in the first place.

As for the other members who are experiencing issues: Thank you for sharing. In addition, thank you to the members who have been involved with the testing of the device. It is most definitely helpful, especially to those who are also in the same boat, myself included.

This is an owner's thread, so all feedback about the Sigelei 213, cons and pros, ought to be welcomed; however, take care with comments and don't belittle anyone else, be it intentionally or unintentionally.

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[Darthtanien]

Why are people arguing in here like this. I would be grateful for people letting me know what problems they are having with a device. If you are a power mode only user, Cool ! I was burned pretty bad in the throat by this thing slipping out of TC. If the problem can happen in one mode it is possible to happen in another. Just trying to be safe and share info with the Vaping community. My mod HAS garbled when the screen is awake. That is how I found the first problem. I only figured out it happens all the time in sleep AFTER a weeks worth of testing. It also has a random misfire. TCR does not work at all, TFR sometimes and a few other problems. I didn't even bother testing the other safety modes. Just giving the info we found. Take what you will from it. I would not recommend this mod to anyone. If you are happy and don't want to heed the warnings of others, cool.

 

[GeorgeS]

@Darthtanien I'm monitoring this thread very closely as I'm very interested in hearing what Sigelei has to say as I have two "pet rocks" to deal with.

 

[Darthtanien]

Ok I just got off the Phone with Sigelei warranty. They are now aware of the problems. They copied my video and are sending it to Sigelei China. Why copied? because I'm going to be removing the video, We do not need more ammo for the FDA. It was only put up to share with you guys. They are "supposedly working on a fix". They have also seen the pictures from the other people who have sent them in. The Beta version apparently does not have these issues, just the release version. They promise they will call me back by Friday to let me know whats going on. They offered to start the warranty with me but I do not want another bad device, and we agreed on that, so they will be back in touch by Friday. I will keep you posted. Video has been made private until i get a return call from Sigelei. Thank you.

 

[SteamHead]

[QUOTE="Darthtanien said:

Why are people arguing in here like this.

I'm not sure. I've remained civil. Are people not allowed to have differing viewpoints "in here"? It's starting to feel that way. I'm as baffled as to why someone would sarcastically imply that I would recommend a death trap to friends and family as you are.


I would be grateful for people letting me know what problems they are having with a device.

As am I! Has anyone been upset for pointing out the mods faults? If so, that's not helpful at all.


If you are a power mode only user, Cool !

Thanks!


I was burned pretty bad in the throat by this thing slipping out of TC.

That sucks, dry hits are no fun :/ Mods slipping put of TC are nothing new. In fact, the mod which the 213 is most commonly compared to, the Cuboid, is notorious for this.


If the problem can happen in one mode it is possible to happen in another.

Pretty sure one thing has nothing to do with the other. Has anyone posted about having issues in power mode?


Just trying to be safe and share info with the Vaping community. My mod HAS garbled when the screen is awake. That is how I found the first problem. I only figured out it happens all the time in sleep AFTER a weeks worth of testing.

I was not aware. I retract my previous statement that it is avoidable. However, since it has no effect on the functionality, it remains a very minor quibble.


It also has a random misfire. TCR does not work at all, TFR sometimes and a few other problems. I didn't even bother testing the other safety modes.

Hopefully, you've started Sigelei down the path of rectifying this. Thank you for your efforts!


Just giving the info we found. Take what you will from it. I would not recommend this mod to anyone.

I'm still not sure why you wouldn't recommend it to people with zero interest in TC, but that's your call.


If you are happy and don't want to heed the warnings of others, cool.

Heed the warning? Now that sounds pretty serious! Which warning should I be heeding, exactly? The burnt throat warning? Even if my mod were to somehow randomly jump to "max power" (which has not happened to anyone in power mode), I'd be just fine, as my build in my Boreas has been safely tested all the way to 250w on my Reuleaux, with no burnt hits.[/QUOTE]

 

[drugarth]

I think it pretty OK to give other potential buyers the warning...which warning you ask?? Well the warning that this mod is full of bugs is THE warning for me....unfortunatly I already ordered and it is shipped so I have to deal with it. But I think it's great we keep informing the community which mods are good and which mods are just crap (and although I am a power mode user, with all the issues I have to agree this mod is crap as it is now).

 

[Darthtanien]

I think it pretty OK to give other potential buyers the warning...which warning you ask?? Well the warning that this mod is full of bugs is THE warning for me....unfortunatly I already ordered and it is shipped so I have to deal with it. But I think it's great we keep informing the community which mods are good and which mods are just crap (and although I am a power mode user, with all the issues I have to agree this mod is crap as it is now).

Just trying to help out fellow Vapers ! Vape safe brother.

 

[Slips]

Is there anyone that has no problems?
So far Ive only had the garbled screen when setting preheat, but I can still read and set preheat.
Ive used the presets for Ni, ss316, and Ti, on prebuilt (Ni and 316) and my own builds (316 and Ti) and those all worked fine as long as my pre heat setting wasn't to high or long. (Read my previous post).
I've used tcr and tfr for 316 and everything seemed fine, I only say "seemed" because that video made me wanna retest, but on my first tests as long as my preheat was in line with my build and draw/inhale it regulated, but maybe I did something different than the test Darth did....Ill check again.
Well despite the tone in here we all have the same goals so if there is anyone that has a device that is workin fine on all fronts can you speak up so we can get an idea the scope of the problem, like how many out of how many are affected with these issues.

 

[Darthtanien]

Is there anyone that has no problems?
So far Ive only had the garbled screen when setting preheat, but I can still read and set preheat.
Ive used the presets for Ni, ss316, and Ti, on prebuilt (Ni and 316) and my own builds (316 and Ti) and those all worked fine as long as my pre heat setting wasn't to high or long. (Read my previous post).
I've used tcr and tfr for 316 and everything seemed fine, I only say "seemed" because that video made me wanna retest, but on my first tests as long as my preheat was in line with my build and draw/inhale it regulated, but maybe I did something different than the test Darth did....Ill check again.
Well despite the tone in here we all have the same goals so if there is anyone that has a device that is workin fine on all fronts can you speak up so we can get an idea the scope of the problem, like how many out of how many are affected with these issues.

IF you set the power in TC mode to what you would use with the same build in Power mode you are going to get what seems like a good vape. That's because it IS working in power mode. If you turn up the Preheat to a high boost in TC it never regulates down to the Temperature even with the boost time set to its minimum. We also verified this with meters. That is under TCR not the normal TC menu settings. Under the standard wire settings it is regulating. JUst an FYI This did not happen in the Beta test versions. I confirmed this on the phone with Sigelei.