I had no problem being told I could not SMOKE in restaurants, stores, etc....but to be told not to vape because the ignorant people may be put off because they think it looks like smoking. Couldn't this be cured by people allowing themselves to be educated? I mean, hell, we live in a society that coddles the weak minded. We have warnings on shampoo bottles not to drink it! A little natural selection should exist!
Simon Mall's Private Property Policy
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Say "ok" to the mall cop and management, and go on your way, vape if you wish, suffer their indignity and possible prosecution, get a lawyer and dispute their position in court. That will atleast open their eyes to the facts, and hopefully their discriminatory policies. Good Luck!
I bought my e-cig at a Simon mall and vaped away on it through every branch after I bought it. I never had one single complaint or even one dirty look. It does make me wonder if buying it from them makes a difference. 
great pickup on the insanity that the man has instilled upon us.It should be allowed everywhere but it will take time .
Isn't there a statewide smoking ban in WA? So how is it that a private property owner doesn't have the right to allow a legal act (smoking cigarettes) on their property but can at the same time 'exercise their property rights' by telling you that you can't do something that's legal? Statewide smoking bans relinquished property rights.
Please note that I wholeheartedly agree with a private property owner's right to disallow whatever activity/individual they please on their privately-owned property. I just find it incredible that so many of these private property owners didn't throw an absolute fit when statewide smoking bans were being proposed...whether they were malls, taverns, restaurants, or tire shops. Most business owners probably thought, "Oh, I don't care if they ban smoking on private property (workplaces). It doesn't affect me." Well, it does. It brings the whole issue and right of property ownership and choosing what acts you will or will not allow on your property come into question, and thus, degrades property rights in general.
This is what happens when you eff with the Constitution, which is what smoking bans did. Nothing makes sense, and rights are slowly (or quickly) eroded because precedence is set.
I'm sure that the mall management decided not to allow the use of e-cigarettes because they don't want to deal with the constant complaints from their patrons thinking that people are smoking. As e-cigs become more widely-used and less 'scary' to the average person, I think you'll see a lot of this sort of thing stop. But maybe I'm just being optimistic. This is why I think we need to vape in public whenever possible (without flaunting it, of course, and in the right situations) and be prepared to explain it. Yes, this can be a PITA, but until more people some to an understanding, this is what we're charged with.
Please note that I wholeheartedly agree with a private property owner's right to disallow whatever activity/individual they please on their privately-owned property. I just find it incredible that so many of these private property owners didn't throw an absolute fit when statewide smoking bans were being proposed...whether they were malls, taverns, restaurants, or tire shops. Most business owners probably thought, "Oh, I don't care if they ban smoking on private property (workplaces). It doesn't affect me." Well, it does. It brings the whole issue and right of property ownership and choosing what acts you will or will not allow on your property come into question, and thus, degrades property rights in general.
This is what happens when you eff with the Constitution, which is what smoking bans did. Nothing makes sense, and rights are slowly (or quickly) eroded because precedence is set.
I'm sure that the mall management decided not to allow the use of e-cigarettes because they don't want to deal with the constant complaints from their patrons thinking that people are smoking. As e-cigs become more widely-used and less 'scary' to the average person, I think you'll see a lot of this sort of thing stop. But maybe I'm just being optimistic. This is why I think we need to vape in public whenever possible (without flaunting it, of course, and in the right situations) and be prepared to explain it. Yes, this can be a PITA, but until more people some to an understanding, this is what we're charged with.
unfortunately, at the end of the day, if you don't like the no vaping policy, don't go to that mall, or abide by the rules while you are there. By complaining and showing your @$$, you're drawing a lot of negative attention to us, and you're making yourself look like a spoiled brat. "I do what i want where i want!" Mmkay, last i checked, Simon owns the joint and they can make up (and enforce) ANY bs rule they want to. And you will follow it, if for no other reason than you want/need to shop there. "Oh, they sell them there!" And? Can you consume alcohol at a gas station? Is it advisable to cookout in a Wal-mart parking lot? You're making one very, VERY specific assumption here: that Life is fair. Vape outside, educate people when you can, stop rubbing people the wrong way, and get over it.
Like others have said, their property their rules, you either have to abide by them or go elsewhere. Same in my house, you want to smoke a cig you have to go outside, want to vape your welcome to do so inside, my house my rules, don't like it go elsewhere
point taken.It is a semi-private place that most likely was given a huge tax break to employ a thousand people that were "looking for work".A mall is a showroom for the community in a lot of way.My mall has a gov- center inside it that gives out beach passes. It is a simon mall too.
oooohhhhh!! Now you've got my attention!! What kinda beer do you like?
funny you should ask.I went to Milwaukee to see what America made anymore the summer before last.they bronzed the "fonz" make great cheese, toilets(koyler), jelly belly factory,beer(miller).I lolve mgd in cans or bottles.But to put it on Simon malls its the Boynton beach mall that has a gov center inside it that sells beach passes.I live a few miles from there now but did for 11 years in the city and bought ,my beach passes in the the mall.
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OH, I see. I thought you were talking about your beach house. My Bad.
life is a beach, walk on the sand at least three times a week.the lowest temp of the year for the water is 70 , shoot me now.
There's always going to be opposition to anything that looks like smoking indoors. Private property rights do give proprietors the power to control what's done on their property. Stealth vaping is knowing your surroundings. Chances are, someone had already walked by the mall cop and advised him that someone was smoking "over there". If there's a cloud, people will complain. Some will complain if it's just a wisp.
dang it dave would you stop making me look up words that escape me for your enjoyment?
You jepordewhore. love you ,you do a great job in enlightening me with knowledge.
This happens in most "public" places (recently, at a Chicago Ballpark) and for a very good reason! From a distance, if someone saw me vaping my 306 atty on my V2, they would really think that I was 'smoking' due to the plume of vapor it was producing; this could lead the spectator to presume that "Smoking" was permissible and light up an analog. The spectators response would invariably be "I saw him do it" if they were 'caught'.
The owners of these establishments can not afford to have their clientele 'break the law' in this fashion; therefore, the ban on using PV's! No amount of 'education' of the owner will change the fact that the uninformed 'spectator' may cause a breach. The ability to VAPE anywhere is a myth!!
The owners of these establishments can not afford to have their clientele 'break the law' in this fashion; therefore, the ban on using PV's! No amount of 'education' of the owner will change the fact that the uninformed 'spectator' may cause a breach. The ability to VAPE anywhere is a myth!!
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