Simple MTL builds... Have a favorite?

[Opinionated]

Comparing my vape at different coil sizes on my KF V3 Mini clone to my myjet pod mod (31 AWG Nichrome 80 by my measurements), I believe air flow is a big factor in vapor density and flavor. The myjet has great flavor and a very tight draw. But you're right, I have to use a larger coil diameter to get decent vapor and flavor in my KF V3 mini, since it has more air flow, though I usually go 28 AWG in kanthal and have the air flow screw closed off as far as it will go.

Have you ever tried a 26 gauge? If you ever do, you might hit that flavor your saying you haven't quite found yet..

I was trying to hit the flavor I get from the kabuki tank in the kayfun 4, and just wasn't getting it.. one day I went to the table to build a coil, and had everything out and was looking for my kanthal, and realized I had forgotten to grab it.. in a moment of sheer laziness and not wanting to get back up, I used the 26 gauge wire that was included in the coil master kit.. and wham bam thank you ma'am, I found the flavor I had been looking for..

There is now no difference between the kabuki and the kayfun 4 in flavor.. and it's awesome!

all thanks to being lazy! Hahaha..

And your right about airflow...

 

[evan le'garde]

I have been experimenting with builds for my Toptank RBA. I usually go with 28g kanthal with 8 wraps and a 2.5mm diameter. That leaves lots of room for cotton to fill in the gap. I just tried using 26g kanthal again with 8 wraps and 2.5mm diameter and have more coil mass, and less room for cotton.

I'm trying to get the best build for flavor and not really noticing a difference yet. Is more coil mass better for flavor? Does it matter?

Anywho... Does anyone have a favorite build they like best?

In contrast to my Kayfun V4 my Russian 91% seems flavourless. I'm not sure if more coil means more flavour, YMMV !.
It doesn't matter how much coil i use in my Kayfun it still produces a great flavour. These days i am using 29g kanthal, 5 wraps, 2mm I.D equalling 1.0 ohm. At 11.5 watts - 3.4v this 1 ohm coil ticks all the right boxes.

I D.I.Y my own 24mg juice 40ml at a time with 13.3 ml of 72mg (50%pg/50%vg) nicotine liquid, 0.6ml Capella Coconut and 1.8ml of Capella Choc Fudge Brownee and the other 24.3ml is plain Vegetable Glycerine. Even with just this amount of flavouring (2.4ml) my Kayfun still produces great flavour and i still might reduce it even further yet.

Incidentally this concoction of flavours unsweetened is as close as i can get (so far) to the burning tobacco taste i used to get smoking "Old Holborn". Still thinking about adding another flavour or two but just haven't decided what, and this is one of the reasons for reducing the overall % of flavour at this stage (Old Holborn simply doesn't have a great deal of flavour) so less is more when it comes to trying to synthesize an authentic tasting e liquid which tastes the same as burning Old Holborn tobacco.

More flavour % doesn't mean a better e liquid in this case !.

Anyone will tell you that the taste of burning tobacco cannot be produced in an e liquid.

Difference with Old Holborn is it does actually have a very individual/unique taste, unlike any other tobacco "i've" ever smoked at least !, a kind of sublime sweetness.

The conbination of Coconut and chocolate in my D.I.Y juice with only the sweetness of the Vegetable Glycerine added isn't a million miles from the flavour of burning Old Holborn, but there is something missing !, just a little something to take away the slightly bitter chocolate taste. I though about one or two flavours i could try and will eventually get round to it.

Initially my first thoughts were to reduce the overall % of flavouring, so i went from 3ml of Choc Fudge Brownee / 1ml of Coconut, to 2.4ml / 0.8ml then even further still to 1.8 / 0.6 which is where i'm at now (notice the ratios are still the same - 3 quarters of 1 and 1 quarter of the other). It has improved, with a less pronounced chocolate flavour, (obviously, fundamentally less flavour !).

Like i said earlier, finding an e liquid which tastes the same as the typical taste of burning tobacco is not going to happen.

"Old Holborn" is different. It does not have that typical burning tobacco taste, far from it !.

This D.I.Y flavour is a work in progress. I'd say, subjectively, that it's about 80%-90% complete, and just a tiny little tweak needed with another flavour added to drown out the bitter chocolate whilst retaining the "apparent" smokey flavour being produced through the combination of Chocolate and Coconut, (don't ask me how that's happening !).

I doubt anyone would appreciate this flavour. Seems anyone who vapes is looking for flavours which taste great.

All i've ever wanted was to vape something that tastes the same as the tobacco i used to smoke.

It isn't too much to ask. And seems to be the only thing missing from the vaping industry. Strangely enough no one seems to care one way or the other. Well, no one except me !.

 

[Opinionated]

In contrast to my Kayfun V4 my Russian 91% seems flavourless. I'm not sure if more coil means more flavour, YMMV !.
It doesn't matter how much coil i use in my Kayfun it still produces a great flavour. These days i am using 29g kanthal, 5 wraps, 2mm I.D equalling 1.0 ohm. At 11.5 watts - 3.4v this 1 ohm coil ticks all the right boxes.

I D.I.Y my own 24mg juice 40ml at a time with 13.3 ml of 72mg (50%pg/50%vg) nicotine liquid, 0.6ml Capella Coconut and 1.8ml of Capella Choc Fudge Brownee and the other 24.3ml is plain Vegetable Glycerine. Even with just this amount of flavouring (2.4ml) my Kayfun still produces great flavour and i still might reduce it even further yet.

Incidentally this concoction of flavours unsweetened is as close as i can get (so far) to the burning tobacco taste i used to get smoking "Old Holborn". Still thinking about adding another flavour or two but just haven't decided what, and this is one of the reasons for reducing the overall % of flavour at this stage (Old Holborn simply doesn't have a great deal of flavour) so less is more when it comes to trying to synthesize an authentic tasting e liquid which tastes the same as burning Old Holborn tobacco.

More flavour % doesn't mean a better e liquid in this case !.

Anyone will tell you that the taste of burning tobacco cannot be produced in an e liquid.

Difference with Old Holborn is it does actually have a very individual/unique taste, unlike any other tobacco "i've" ever smoked at least !, a kind of sublime sweetness.

The conbination of Coconut and chocolate in my D.I.Y juice with only the sweetness of the Vegetable Glycerine added isn't a million miles from the flavour of burning Old Holborn, but there is something missing !, just a little something to take away the slightly bitter chocolate taste. I though about one or two flavours i could try and will eventually get round to it.

Initially my first thoughts were to reduce the overall % of flavouring, so i went from 3ml of Choc Fudge Brownee / 1ml of Coconut, to 2.4ml / 0.8ml then even further still to 1.8 / 0.6 which is where i'm at now (notice the ratios are still the same - 3 quarters of 1 and 1 quarter of the other). It has improved, with a less pronounced chocolate flavour, (obviously, fundamentally less flavour !).

Like i said earlier, finding an e liquid which tastes the same as the typical taste of burning tobacco is not going to happen.

"Old Holborn" is different. It does not have that typical burning tobacco taste, far from it !.

This D.I.Y flavour is a work in progress. I'd say, subjectively, that it's about 80%-90% complete, and just a tiny little tweak needed with another flavour added to drown out the bitter chocolate whilst retaining the "apparent" smokey flavour being produced through the combination of Chocolate and Coconut, (don't ask me how that's happening !).

I doubt anyone would appreciate this flavour. Seems anyone who vapes is looking for flavours which taste great.

All i've ever wanted was to vape something that tastes the same as the tobacco i used to smoke.

It isn't too much to ask. And seems to be the only thing missing from the vaping industry. Strangely enough no one seems to care one way or the other. Well, no one except me !.

Try making your own net flavor with the tobacco you like?

All you do is put your tobacco into a mason jar, cover it in pg with some extra, close your jar and put it in the closet for a couple months, then filter out the tobacco and do a filtering process, and what you end up with is your flavoring. Let the flavoring steep for a few months, then you can use it in your base e liquid just like any other flavor..

Don't know if your particular tobacco will produce a good (or same) flavor as burning it, but it's always worth a shot.

I'm working on a tobacco net flavor now for my husband, as he likes the tobacco flavor, it's really simple. Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

 

[evan le'garde]

Try making your own net flavor with the tobacco you like?

All you do is put your tobacco into a mason jar, cover it in pg with some extra, close your jar and put it in the closet for a couple months, then filter out the tobacco and do a filtering process, and what you end up with is your flavoring. Let the flavoring steep for a few months, then you can use it in your base e liquid just like any other flavor..

Don't know if your particular tobacco will produce a good (or same) flavor as burning it, but it's always worth a shot.

I'm working on a tobacco net flavor now for my husband, as he likes the tobacco flavor, it's really simple. Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

Net's taste like what tobacco smells like.

It's that unburnt flavour like eating a tobacco sandwich or drinking a tobacco milkshake. That's not what i want !.

Nets are like having BBQ ribs without BBQ sauce.

Net's are not what smoking a cigarette tastes like at all.

I need the rough/coarse smokey tasting texture that burning tobacco smoke provides along with the satisfaction of a noticable throat hit.

I've been vaping my own Choc Fudge Brownee / Coconut juice now for about 6 months. It's better than any net i vaped in the sense that it really does remind me of the authentic taste of smoking Old Holborn.

If you like net's then maybe you should consider adding some flavouring to that raw unburnt taste. Or maybe you like it as it is.

 

[Opinionated]

Net's taste like what tobacco smells like.

It's that unburnt flavour like eating a tobacco sandwich or drinking a tobacco milkshake. That's not what i want !.

Nets are like having BBQ ribs without BBQ sauce.

Net's are not what smoking a cigarette tastes like at all.

I need the rough/coarse smokey tasting texture that burning tobacco smoke provides along with the satisfaction of a noticable throat hit.

I've been vaping my own Choc Fudge Brownee / Coconut juice now for about 6 months. It's better than any net i vaped in the sense that it really does remind me of the authentic taste of smoking Old Holborn.

If you like net's then maybe you should consider adding some flavouring to that raw unburnt taste. Or maybe you like it as it is.

And that is what I was going to mention, you can always add to it, to derive a taste more to your liking - such as oak wood by FA..

Personally, I wanted aS far away from the taste of tobacco as possible, but this is not the case with many people.. my husband is one..

 

[Bonskibon]

I have found a juice that tastes like my old smokes after a long drawn out search. I only use my tobacco flavor when I really crave, and most days it's my flavored juices I vape. I keep my tobacco vape simple (Spinner 2 and K1) and higher nicotine. I use traditional tobacco from easyvapors should anyone be interested.

 

[Opinionated]

I have found a juice that tastes like my old smokes after a long drawn out search. I only use my tobacco flavor when I really crave, and most days it's my flavored juices I vape. I keep my tobacco vape simple (Spinner 2 and K1) and higher nicotine. I use traditional tobacco from easyvapors should anyone be interested.

Thanks for the heads up!