Single Samsung 30Q with a 15 Ohm Ni200 coil - not recommended?

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From my reading I understand that a Single Samsung 30Q is rated at 15A for continuous discharge, and testing from users of this forum show that it is viable at 20A continuous, and 25A pulse discharge.

With a 15 Ohm Ni200 coil I'll be as high as 28A when the cell is fully charged with 4.2V.

It seems like I should not really be using these ni200 coils in a single cell mod with 30Q.

Can any users comment on my thoughts here?
 
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From my reading I understand that a Single Samsung 30Q is rated at 15A for continuous discharge, and testing from users of this forum show that it is viable at 20A continuous, and 25A pulse discharge.

With a 15 Ohm Ni200 coil I'll be as high as 28A when the cell is fully charged with 4.2V.

It seems like I should not really be using these ni200 coils in a single cell mod with 30Q.

Can any users comment on my thoughts here?

You did mean a .15 ohm coil, didn't you?

That also depends on the device. On a mech mod, yes it would be 28A. On a regulated mod it depends on the number of batteries in the circuit. Current is shared differently in a series mod. The output circuitry takes the load from the coil.

You could do .2 ohms at 88 watts/21 amps on a mech mod, but you'd be pushing the single battery pretty hard with limited vape time on a charge.
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You did mean a .15 ohm coil, didn't you?

I did mean .15 - sorry for the silly typo.

And yes its a regulated mod with TC (Pico Mega)

Edit: I briefly read through that link but it didnt seem to shed much light on a single coil mod - maybe I'm too tired or dumb to make sense of it...

Edit2: OK re-reading and being more specific: I dont know where to find the max V and min I for the 30Q, and also, this seems to be relevant to VW mode which I understand is not appropriate for ni200 coils.
 
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I have a standard Pico that I use for 10W vaping. The specs on the Pico Mega say that for maximum output you need a battery with a Constant Discharge Rating above 25A. Be careful what you pick. Lots of battery makers exaggerate their CDR.

You can get the LG HB6 30A for $4 from Illumn.com. They are trusted to supply OEM products and not knockoffs. You'll need at least two for rotation.
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Continuous Current
  • Often called the Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR), Maximum Continuous Current rating (MCC), or Maximum Continuous Discharge rating (MCD).
  • This is the maximum amount of continuous current that a battery can supply, down to a specified voltage, without exceeding a certain temperature or suffering damage that decreases its capacity below a certain point.
  • This is the rating used by the Big 4 manufacturers for their batteries. For example:
    • Panasonic NCR18650GA 3500mAh = 10A
    • Samsung 25R 2500mAh = 20A
    • LG0 HB6 1500mAh = 30A
 
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In a regulated mod, the battery never "sees" the resistance of the coil. You set the wattage, the DC to DC converter provides the current to the coil. To calculate load you need to use Watts law. A=W/V.

So to calculate how many amps you will draw for a given wattage, you divide watts by the cutoff voltage of the cell, usually ~3.2V for the average mod (yes, you start higher in a fully charged battery, but the goal is safety here, and the max draw will occur at the lowest voltage you will discharge to with use). Subtract another 10% of efficiency of the board (that's an average, boards are different, some more efficient than others but that's a safe bet).

So let's say you chose 60W. 60W/3.2V=18.75A/.9 (efficiency)=20.9 A. So with a 20A battery like the 30Q you're good, under average circumstances, to about a 60W draw under normal operating conditions.

Getting back to your setup. On a Pico you would run that 0.15 ohm Ni coil in Ni temp mode. You would select the temperature you want. You can also select the maximum wattage you want to "allow" the mod to use to reach that temperature. You can set that wattage (say 30W) and watch whether the mod hits the target temperature (say 450F). If you see it get close to 450F, or you see a screen "temp protected", your mod is then regulating that wattage to maintain the set temperature for you. All's good, providing you've got a good vape you're enjoying. If not, adjust your temp up or down accordingly.
 

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Any chance you can explain this to me? I see the link from DaveP above, but I'm not getting much of an understanding from that.

In a mech mod all the load is on the battery. In a regulated variable voltage/wattage mod the batteries just supply voltage to operate the circuitry which in turn takes the load from the atomizer coil. The electronics can vary the voltage sent to the coil using the combined output from multiple batteries in series. That doesn't apply to your Pico Mega mod because it has only one battery, so you need a single 25A+ battery.
 
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. You can also select the maximum wattage you want to "allow" the mod to use to reach that temperature.

Watts law, of course, your answer was clear and super helpful. Thank you.

Regarding the above, reading my manual I don't see an option to set the max wattage in TC mode with the pico mega. Seems to set itself to 80W in tc. A brief Google didn't help.

You sure this is possible on my mod? Perhaps DaveP could weigh in as a fellow owner.

Edit: Nevermind - I found this in the manual. I am too tired! thanks for your patience everyone.
 
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I don't have a Pico Mega, but here are the instructions straight out of the manual. You did save your manual, right?:D

"Adjust wattage: In TC-Ni/TC-Ti/TC-SS/TCR(M1,M2,M3) mode, the output wattage
can be adjusted from 1W to 80W. Press the fire button 4 times in quick succession
to enter the wattage setting menu and press up or down button to or decrease the
wattage level. Keep pressing up or down button without looseness to rapidly
increase or decrease the wattage level."

Note, this is while IN TC-Ni mode. Of course you then must set the temperature you want

"Adjust temperature: In TC-Ni/TC-Ti/TC-SS/TCR(M1,M2,M3) mode, temperature
can be adjusted from 100-315 or 200-600 by pressing up button or down
button, up button to increase and down button to decrease. Each press of the up or
down button will increase or decrease the temperature setting by 5 or 10.
Keep pressing up button or down button without looseness can rapidly increase or
decrease temperature setting."

Also from the manual.

If you didn't save your manual, you can download the whole thing in pdf form from Eleaf eleafworld.com - eleaf,ismoka,istick,ijust,lemo,melo,help,lemo2
 
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I did save it! (And in doing so have hopefully saved myself a tap on the wrist)

I have also found the above just now, I guess it's time to sleep if I'm overlooking things in front of me - but thank you very much for the effort in explaining everything and in finding the above information.

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Watts law, of course, your answer was clear and super helpful. Thank you.

Regarding the above, reading my manual I don't see an option to set the max wattage in TC mode with the pico mega. Seems to set itself to 80W in tc. A brief Google didn't help.

You sure this is possible on my mod? Perhaps DaveP could weigh in as a fellow owner.

Edit: Nevermind - I found this in the manual. I am too tired! thanks for your patience everyone.

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The electronics can vary the voltage sent to the coil using the combined output from multiple batteries in series. That doesn't apply to your Pico Mega mod because it has only one battery, so you need a single 25A+ battery.

The electronics do vary the voltage sent to the coil even though it's only a single-battery mod. And a 25+amp battery is only needed if setting the watts over 60.

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The electronics do vary the voltage sent to the coil even though it's only a single-battery mod. And a 25+amp battery is only needed if setting the watts over 60.

Sent from my K6000 Pro using Tapatalk

I was just comparing the capabilities of a multiple battery mod against his Pico Mega. There's lots of versatility when you have a battery source that can operate up to 3x times current battery voltage to feed the electronics as opposed to a single battery mod.

But I get what you were saying. Eleaf was covering their own posterior by stating that the battery should be 25A plus to cover the capabilities of the mod.
 

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Thanks all. One final Qn -

18650 LG 18650HB6 1500mAh High Discharge Flat Top

Anyone know where to get these batteries with more reasonable shipping to Australia?

Banggood is all out it seems. Fasttech can't ship batteries to Australia at the moment...

Hmmm....I dont know if I would order batteries from a company with "Bang" in their name. :lol:

I dont know of any trusted/reliable battery sources in Australia. Wonder if you can order them from Illumn?
 

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Yeah I actually has the pico recommended as a cheap starter kit on this forum - I was looking for mod tank batteries and charger all for < 100AUD and I'm pretty happy with what I got.

I do sometimes now realise that this kit will not be my last. Eg the melo 3 was simply not flavourful, although did provide a decent tank for 12USD, but was leak free and suited both DTL and MTL. And got me off the death sticks of course.

Now upgrading the tank I'm looking at other mods.

Any recommendations for a 2 or 3 batt 18650 mod? My mates loving his new Wismec Reuleaux DNA200 at the moment, having upgraded from a single batt sigelei 75w.

Maybe I'll head over to the mod forum and check some vape porn this eve.
 

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"Bang" in their name. :lol: Wonder if you can order them from Illumn?

I promise they are a decent company with genuine batts and come recommended by other recommended users, but yes, very funny, har har.

I can get them from illum it's just the 16usd shipping kinda kills the value.

Will have to get my mates in for a group buy I reckon.
 
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