Smok Guardian III

[350ZMO]

I looked through manual and couldn't find it but thought SC is for Single Coil and DC is Dual Coil.

For TC, attach atty base and short posi post to ground and read resistance then set internal resistance.

The puff strength is preheat so for ceramics consider setting that higher even up to Max.

There are several ceramic cores out there, a few are TC. There is an Ni200 cCell, just use Ni200. But the Altus and Krixus use Tungsten. For Tungsten in the Krixus I have measured the TCR with a thermocouple and found it to be .0034. And Guo recommends .0035 for the Altus.

 

[Night Hawk]

Since this is a Variable Wattage as well as TC type device with a standard 510 threading you can try out any tank you want. You simply start off with the wattage set to the lower end and then even have the option to adjust the resistance. Was tinkering a bit with that option earlier.

Since this is a 75w capable mod you will first want to know where the best as well as maximum wattage capability is before simply cranking it up. With the vinyl sleeve over it you can still see the battery charged by way of the eGo 510 to usb charging cord provided while the battery cover is magnetic if you choose not to use either the black or white sleeve provided in the kit.

The 18650 recommend here would be for a 10A High Drain not 25-30A battery being overkill like the Panasonic NCR18650A 3100mah flat top battery due to the tight fit where a button top would likely have a big problem! There's hardly any slack there for any longer then flat top type battery. You can find them for only $7 at Orbitronic and are put to use here on the 50w smok BEC Pro as well as a few box mods having seen great results. PANASONIC 18650 NCR18650A 3100mAh Li-ion battery | unprotected | Made in Japan | Orbtronic USA

The look and feel of course is quite obviously different from the Guardian II! Unlike the two wattage ranges and need to click the cover, top, button, wattage adjustable type top three times for switching back and forth between the 6-10 and 11-15w modes with the 6-10w blue and 11-15 white as far as how the led lights up this one is based on the BEC Pro with Bluetooth capability as far as adjusting everything on a smart phone once you download the correct app.

The screensaver options after you take puff is adjustable from15 seconds to 240s as far as displaying the time in the 24hr mode only. There's no am/pm option for the time and date function. You can also opt for the simple mode which shows the watts while pressing the fire button and time when not. The normal shows the battery level indicator with the watts and resistance.

There's also the Stealth mod where nothing is displayed on the round lcd screen as well as being able to spin the display around a full 180 to be facing away from you. Makes it look more impressive for those around you I suspect being the reason for that one.

There are actually five not four vape modes besides switching beteen the TC and Watts but also the Mild, Soft, Normal, Hard, and Maximum mode I had forgotten to include earlier. The type of coil is another thing however only adjusted while in the TC mode and as well as the display settings including increasing/decreasing the contrast you can adjust the puff timer including seeing that set to Never for Unlimited! This thing is loaded with options!

 

[KenD]

Since this is a Variable Wattage as well as TC type device with a standard 510 threading you can try out any tank you want. You simply start off with the wattage set to the lower end and then even have the option to adjust the resistance. Was tinkering a bit with that option earlier.

Since this is a 75w capable mod you will first want to know where the best as well as maximum wattage capability is before simply cranking it up. With the vinyl sleeve over it you can still see the battery charged by way of the eGo 510 to usb charging cord provided while the battery cover is magnetic if you choose not to use either the black or white sleeve provided in the kit.

The 18650 recommend here would be for a 10A High Drain not 25-30A battery being overkill like the Panasonic NCR18650A 3100mah flat top battery due to the tight fit where a button top would likely have a big problem! There's hardly any slack there for any longer then flat top type battery. You can find them for only $7 at Orbitronic and are put to use here on the 50w SMOK BEC Pro as well as a few box mods having seen great results. PANASONIC 18650 NCR18650A 3100mAh Li-ion battery | unprotected | Made in Japan | Orbtronic USA

The look and feel of course is quite obviously different from the Guardian II! Unlike the two wattage ranges and need to click the cover, top, button, wattage adjustable type top three times for switching back and forth between the 6-10 and 11-15w modes with the 6-10w blue and 11-15 white as far as how the led lights up this one is based on the BEC Pro with Bluetooth capability as far as adjusting everything on a smart phone once you download the correct app.

The screensaver options after you take puff is adjustable from15 seconds to 240s as far as displaying the time in the 24hr mode only. There's no am/pm option for the time and date function. You can also opt for the simple mode which shows the watts while pressing the fire button and time when not. The normal shows the battery level indicator with the watts and resistance.

There's also the Stealth mod where nothing is displayed on the round lcd screen as well as being able to spin the display around a full 180 to be facing away from you. Makes it look more impressive for those around you I suspect being the reason for that one.

There are actually five not four vape modes besides switching beteen the TC and Watts but also the Mild, Soft, Normal, Hard, and Maximum mode I had forgotten to include earlier. The type of coil is another thing however only adjusted while in the TC mode and as well as the display settings including increasing/decreasing the contrast you can adjust the puff timer including seeing that set to Never for Unlimited! This thing is loaded with options!

The Panasonic you're recommending isn't an ideal choice for a mod. It's hybrid chemistry, yes, but heavily weighed to the icr side of the spectrum. In practice, the LG hg2 or Samsung 30q will most likely give you more battery runtime.

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[Night Hawk]

That would be the LG HG2 3000mah 20A Flat Top
or the Samsung 30Q 3000mah 15A Flat Top you are pointing to there.

Originally the Panasonics had been recommended for a few of the other mods like the Innokin VTR not being able to take Button top batteries as well as that being a problem on other APVs as well as box mod type devices. You would still need the Flat Top type of 18650 regardless of what one you go with. There's getting around that due to how tight the battery compartment is and the straight in type required to get a single battery in to start with.

I also have some other Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mah batteries that are Flat Top but not the high drive type to try out as well as a newer 5000mah while the 3100 HDs have so far been reliable in everything used. That includes not only the 50w BEC Pro but the 150w Luxyoun wooden box mod, 100w iStick not TC model however. The ZNA 50 50w totally stainless steel mod is left on 24/7 with the one single battery there. The 30 DovPo E-LVT is another older "Indestructable"as it was called vinyl cased 30w mod and the 50 ICIG V9 also sees one there as well. The only problem ever seen was with one simply left in the Luxyoun while that was packed away for several months after first getting the 50w iSticks and finding the battery would no longer take a charge while.

Then it depends on what type of chemistry you are looking for as well as the mah factor.
LiCoO2 ICR - LiFePO4 IFR - LiMn2O4 IMR - LiNiMnCoO2 INR
are the commonly seen options. Efest has a 3500mah 3.7v High Drain 20A battery as well while i might lean towards Samsung since the word is never good about Efest in general! Then of course for mAh I could always slap in an UltraFire 5000mah 3.7 battery 4.2v at 600mA!

 

[KenD]

That would be the LG HG2 3000mah 20A Flat Top
or the Samsung 30Q 3000mah 15A Flat Top you are pointing to there.

Originally the Panasonics had been recommended for a few of the other mods like the Innokin VTR not being able to take Button top batteries as well as that being a problem on other APVs as well as box mod type devices. You would still need the Flat Top type of 18650 regardless of what one you go with. There's getting around that due to how tight the battery compartment is and the straight in type required to get a single battery in to start with.

I also have some other Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mah batteries that are Flat Top but not the high drive type to try out as well as a newer 5000mah while the 3100 HDs have so far been reliable in everything used. That includes not only the 50w BEC Pro but the 150w Luxyoun wooden box mod, 100w iStick not TC model however. The ZNA 50 50w totally stainless steel mod is left on 24/7 with the one single battery there. The 30 DovPo E-LVT is another older "Indestructable"as it was called vinyl cased 30w mod and the 50 ICIG V9 also sees one there as well. The only problem ever seen was with one simply left in the Luxyoun while that was packed away for several months after first getting the 50w iSticks and finding the battery would no longer take a charge while.

Then it depends on what type of chemistry you are looking for as well as the mah factor.
LiCoO2 ICR - LiFePO4 IFR - LiMn2O4 IMR - LiNiMnCoO2 INR
are the commonly seen options. Efest has a 3500mah 3.7v High Drain 20A battery as well while i might lean towards Samsung since the word is never good about Efest in general! Then of course for mAh I could always slap in an UltraFire 5000mah 3.7 battery 4.2v at 600mA!

The Samsungs really aren't good for mods, at least not modern mods and watts over 15. There really aren't any 5000 mAh 18650s, whatever the wrapper says. 3500 mAh is about the maximum, and that's 10 amps with worse actual battery life than lower capacity 20 amps when used at vaping amps. Don't use ultrafire batteries, you'll never know what you're actually getting, and Efest lies about the capabilities of their batteries on a regular basis. As for chemistry, imr and imr hybrid is all you'll want to use if you care about safety. The "it has worked fine for me" is a bad argument. Non-recommended batteries might work well, until they don't...

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[Night Hawk]

It's funny you should that about non recommended according to who? You? When in discussions with someone who tests all batteries on a large variety of APVs and mods he knew right away what I was working with here and had a favorable view on the Panasonics. I had already tried out the UltraFire 5000s having bought only a pair when first seen back in the late 2013-early 2014 time frame for use on the Vamo V2 and V5 still in use and simply found they didn't last any longer then the Panasonic 3400s!

As for battery time itself I never even count much for any 18650s in contrast to what I already get from the 50w iSticks with the 4400mah on those outlasting the 4500mah on the MVP 3.0 Pro 60w mod when running the exact same set up at times. With the Atlantis V2 Mega tanks in use on the Atlantis V2 Mega 5ml tanks on the three 50w iSticks and FreeMax Starre original on the MVP, the three Starre Pro tanks(black) on the Cool Fire IV Plus(3 of those ordered recently) as well as two chrome color Starre Pros on other mods things seemed to be well covered here. One of those in use on the Guardian 3 naturally.

The SMOK epipe mods are not intended to be the all day and night mods to begin with! I think you got off on a wrong track there assuming the G3 was all I use constantly which it isn't. It replaces the G2 model which now sits on the pc desk not the tv night stand for a quick grab when wanting a low wattage vape of some new flavor being sampled. The G3 now serves for the after dinner type vape while catching the news or shows while the 50w iSticks serve as the take anywhere mod due to the lengthy battery time those actually offer!

 

[350ZMO]

I'll stick with @Mooch.

 

[Night Hawk]

Well going by his own thread on how to calculate the draw when dividing watts by voltage the 30w typical for the 10A Panasonic would require 8.101A well within the battery's own limits. Calculating battery current draw for a regulated mod | E-Cigarette Forum

When first getting the Luxyoun 150w wooden box allowing the wait for a tank that could handle over 40w that is! I had one flavor running at 70-80w with the firs FreeMax Starre tank out but never saw that high of wattage maintained for any lengthy periods of time. A 25A battery would fit the bill there. 21.62A is seen when dividing the typical 5.7v into 80w. Then you have to weigh in the 0.5ohm factor as well. 0.250ohm coils in use on the Starre Pro tanks.

 

[Baseman]

Got mine since late January and working fine (exclusively in TC mode using NiFe48).
Would love to see a build using higher quality materials (wood etc.) though.

 

[Night Hawk]

That was one thing you saw with the first two mech and 15w models seeing a wooden body on each and then seeing the black plastic on this new one. I suspect having the magnetic battery cover and lcd display on top was part of the reason.

As for the TC mode Smoktech just came out with the TCT tank exclusively for TC type mods. Smoktech TCT Temperature Control Dual Coil Tank

I ran into that when going to see what if any 510 drip tips vapordna had to offer. So far no place I can oder from except Fasttech which may have them has the short epipe style 510 drip tips. Either found where I wouldn't be able to order or the long Smoktech stainless steel tips. So I ended up ordering some other tips to dress the epipe mods up here with!

What was ironic was ordering from several places one for three packs of spare coils for the Atlantis tanks, another for ejuice from the regular supplier, and some dragon head style drip tips in order to dress not only those up but a few of the other box mods I have here. The quick snap I finally got around to taking shows the Guardian and Guardian II as well as this new with the three different color tips. And when usually expecting not to see a juice order come in until wednesday or thursday when ordered at the end of the previous week on a friday or saturday the vape mail was in monday! The storms may have blasted a mail truck cross country or something for seeing those orders come that fast!

Now I did run across a place that makes custom epipes that carries the custom mods in wood! as well as the short authentic looking pipe stems with a universal type 306, 901, 510 adapter. Pipes I can get a new 50-70w mod for the prices they want just for the tips there however.

 

[KenD]

It's funny you should that about non recommended according to who? You? When in discussions with someone who tests all batteries on a large variety of APVs and mods he knew right away what I was working with here and had a favorable view on the Panasonics. I had already tried out the UltraFire 5000s having bought only a pair when first seen back in the late 2013-early 2014 time frame for use on the Vamo V2 and V5 still in use and simply found they didn't last any longer then the Panasonic 3400s!

As for battery time itself I never even count much for any 18650s in contrast to what I already get from the 50w iSticks with the 4400mah on those outlasting the 4500mah on the MVP 3.0 Pro 60w mod when running the exact same set up at times. With the Atlantis V2 Mega tanks in use on the Atlantis V2 Mega 5ml tanks on the three 50w iSticks and FreeMax Starre original on the MVP, the three Starre Pro tanks(black) on the Cool Fire IV Plus(3 of those ordered recently) as well as two chrome color Starre Pros on other mods things seemed to be well covered here. One of those in use on the Guardian 3 naturally.

The SMOK epipe mods are not intended to be the all day and night mods to begin with! I think you got off on a wrong track there assuming the G3 was all I use constantly which it isn't. It replaces the G2 model which now sits on the pc desk not the tv night stand for a quick grab when wanting a low wattage vape of some new flavor being sampled. The G3 now serves for the after dinner type vape while catching the news or shows while the 50w iSticks serve as the take anywhere mod due to the lengthy battery time those actually offer!

It's about battery chemistry. The 3100 and 3400 mAh Panasonic's simply aren't as safe as hybrid batteries that are closer to the IMR spectrum (the same goes quadruple for *****fire batteries of course). That's the fact of the matter. Also, at common vaping amp draws the higher capacity Panasonics actually have a shorter runtime than e.g. Panasonic PF, and even the 2500 mAh Samsung 25r. In fact, down to 3.2v the Sony VTC4 has more capacity than the 3100 mAh Panasonic and comes very close to the Panasonic 3400 mAh (tests at 5 amps at dampfakkus, at close to 10 amps I'd expect the VTC to beat the Panasonics with a fair margin).

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[Night Hawk]

Aren't safe??? I have to disagree with that right off the bat! I've been working with these batteries since first getting the iTaste VTR that recommended High Drain type batteries and only Flat Top batteries will go in. That was back in late 2013 about the time I had just bought the SMOK ACE aluminum 15w vamo look alikes that ran with the 3400s.

As I was saying before the only problem in this amount having gone from 3-15w VV/VW type devices to a 150w Luxyoun wooden box mod along some other 50w mods and now the latest epipe was with one battery alone having been left in the Luxyoun and would no longer charge. That's a safety concern? I highly doubt it!

I think the problems you or someone else has had with them was likely from using the wrong charger or misuse in some fashion. As for batteries in general any brand and type can have a bad day if you get one with a defect. You don't blame the brand or type due to a few bad getting out since they are mass produced flashlight batteries.

 

[KenD]

Aren't safe??? I have to disagree with that right off the bat! I've been working with these batteries since first getting the iTaste VTR that recommended High Drain type batteries and only Flat Top batteries will go in. That was back in late 2013 about the time I had just bought the SMOK ACE aluminum 15w vamo look alikes that ran with the 3400s.

As I was saying before the only problem in this amount having gone from 3-15w VV/VW type devices to a 150w Luxyoun wooden box mod along some other 50w mods and now the latest epipe was with one battery alone having been left in the Luxyoun and would no longer charge. That's a safety concern? I highly doubt it!

I think the problems you or someone else has had with them was likely from using the wrong charger or misuse in some fashion. As for batteries in general any brand and type can have a bad day if you get one with a defect. You don't blame the brand or type due to a few bad getting out since they are mass produced flashlight batteries.

Disagree all you want but that doesn't make your opinions true. The fact of the matter is that IMR chemistry is safer than ICR, and hybrids closer to IMR than ICR in chemistry are safer. ICRs can burn and explode if they go into thermal runaway, whereas IMRs vent gases. Both still get hot, but the latter is definitely preferable. Just because you haven't had problems doesn't make them safe. Kinda sounds like the mech users who use super subohm builds with inadequate batteries, saying "works well for me". Look, sure, you can use those batteries, but actual testing shows that there are much better options.

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[Night Hawk]

Every 18xxx whether 350 or 650 battery to date has been an IMR type. I think you are trying to confuse something else with what is used here. And it also depends on how the batteries are used! The batteries used here are left on 24/7 in different mods and APVs in fact and never once has seen an overheating problem. Those include the ZNA 50, 100w iStick with two not just one of the 3100s in use. I'm not constantly trying to crank 50w or more out of anything constantly either. With the Starre Pro now in use to replace the Starre V1 tank that still is going quite well at 30w!

 

[KenD]

Every 18xxx whether 350 or 650 battery to date has been an IMR type. I think you are trying to confuse something else with what is used here.

That simply isn't true! The majority of 18xxx batteries are still icr. Not the ones recommended for vaping, but 18xxx batteries in general. Icrs can be manufactured with higher capacity (and probably more cheaply), for applications that don't need high drain capability. May I ask where you're getting your battery information from? It seems very flawed.

And it also depends on how the batteries are used! The batteries used here are left on 24/7 in different mods and APVs in fact and never once has seen an overheating problem. Those include the ZNA 50, 100w iStick with two not just one of the 3100s in use. I'm not constantly trying to crank 50w or more out of anything constantly either. With the Starre Pro now in use to replace the Starre V1 tank that still is going quite well at 30w!

Of course it depends on how the batteries are used. However, icr batteries will still react violently if something unfortunate happens. It's unlikely to, but better to be safe than sorry. You're of course in your right to do whatever you want to do, but I do feel compelled to respond when you give out erroneous and potentially dangerous information to others.

And, again, tests show that lower nominal capacity, higher discharge batteries actually have more available capacity, down to 3.2v at vaping amp draws (5 amps, which is about 14-15w on a single-battery mod - at higher amp draws the difference becomes even more noticeable). Check dampfakkus if you don't believe me.

As for 50w vaping. If you ever do that, you should use 20+ amp batteries and definitely not icrs. 50w draws near 18 amps on a single-battery mod.

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[Night Hawk]

I've been doing some 70w vaping with the exact same batteries and never once had any problems otherwise I would have already dumped them all in favor of something much better! Even the DragonFire 18350s are IMR with nothing ICR here.

The first few 18650s tried out here weren't that good to start with while the mah was also much lower at 2050mah for a pair of Efest batteries I later discarded when finding the Panasonic 3400s used on the first Vamo V2 mod. Still use them on the newer Vamo models. The VTR saw the recommend for the High Drain where I then got into the NCR18650As still in use but on the newer gear since including this new Guardian 3 epipe mod and never once have ever ran into any of the problems you have been describing.

Meanwhile getting back to the topic itself when not finding any 510 short genuine looking epipe drip tips that look like a normal smoking pipe mouth piece constantly running into the SMOK extended tips that only spin around even as I found on the Guardian II Model I ended up looking for something other then the dragon head tips I can use on the other mods for some porcelain tips. Since everything is made in China may as well as Chinese decorative tips?!

 

[PapaPro]

Love my pipe Has anyone found a good stand for this pipe? I ordered two but they don't fit

 

[Night Hawk]

For the present moment I have been using the foam insert that it comes packed on the tv stand. To find a good leather covered type stand you would need to start looking at regular smoking pipe sites unfortunately unless ordering a custom made mod stand. For the Guardian II I simply used the foam padding that one came with as well.

Would like to know where Baseman found his there that holds two epipes. That also looks much like a regular smoking pipe type stand that can easily serve the purpose.

One thing to note about the porcelain drip tips is the lack of air flow with those being more of a slow sipping type cig alike type tip rather then good for any sub ohm tank! I went back to the Dragon head tip(gold) for the G3 while the G2 sees the brass color tip in use.

AquaVapor has an interesting stand you might be interested in however. Deluxe ePipe Stand - Display your ePipe in Stlye with this Carved Wood ePipe Stand - Works with king ePipe and all DSE Model ePipes If you don't mind it being plastic however for only $10- there.

Another nice little wooden stand for a single epipe can be found at Solid Wood ePipe Foldable Stand | E-Pipe 629 | ePuffer Vape

I would tend to be more interested in something like that over anything plastic while the one at AquaVapor also found elsewhere was the best looking for plastic stands.

Just found a similar wooden stand but at a regular pipe site for the same price if you don't prefer the folding type. Single Teak Wood Pipe Stand - Pipe Care Accessories

 

[Baseman]

Would like to know where Baseman found his there that holds two epipes. That also looks much like a regular smoking pipe type stand that can easily serve the purpose.

My father was a pipe smoker for nearly 50 years, til I converted him to vaping.
I got both multi-pipe holders from him, can't obviously give any direct source - those are multiple decades old.

the other one

 

[Night Hawk]

I thought they might be! Now if you don't see plastic or wood you will find Acrylic instead. I went stand hunting as you saw earlier and ran into another 3 pipe holder type sand bag type stand as well as one for a single pipe I can use here for the three Guardian models I now have! Yes I have the first mech in wood as well as the Guardian II that will be keeping this one company!

When at Amazon I tend to use the smile.amazon option instead for the Vape'A'Vet project. Amazon.com: Skyway Couch 3 Pipe Tobacco Pipe Stand Rack Holder - Black: Health & Personal Care

Since I still wanted a holder for the computer desk here that would fit on the oversized gaming style mouse pad of all things I also ordered the other holder Skyway offers as well.
http://smile.amazon.com/Skyway-Couc...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

These are the vinyl instead of wood, Acrylic, or some found are stainless which would tend to scratch the epipes over time! The vinyl works much on the sand bag type idea having the cushion type material instead.