Smok TFV4 Competitor - IJOY Reaper Plus Tank

[cooladdict]

Does China have an overwhelming abundance of ceramic or something?

Why do they keep trying to force ceramic down our throats?

Ceramic is a wonderful material, for many uses, but I dont like it anywhere near my atomizers. I just don't like the idea of breathing in porous glass fragments.

I thought they would have learned after the nautilus BVC backlash, but they just keep trying to sneak ceramic into our vapes.

Sneak it into our vapes? I thought it was rather blatantly stated that there is ceramic in a ceramic coil head... I personally love vaping with them. The flavor and vapor can't be beat by any other material on the market that I have tried. I can see myself going with nothing but ceramic coil heads in the future.

 

[cooladdict]

Also, Sintered ceramic may work well as long as quality control is perfect. But I've seen more than my fair share of poor QC from Chinese vaping products. I would hate to be the one who installs a fresh coil head from a bad production run and suck in a lungful of powdered ceramic from a device who's function is to concentrate it's contents for inhalation.

Just a bad idea.

Asbestos might make a great wick too.

I'm pretty sure that even dropping a mod isn't going to magically turn a ceramic coil into a bunch of dust, so the chances of inhaling a lungful of ceramic powder seems pretty farfetched. I really don't see where these coils are any worse for a vaper than regular coils wicked with cotton or rayon, but if you are uncomfortable with this technology then you should stick to regular coils. No use stressing yourself out over a coil!

 

[100%VG]

That would be awesome. I really like the look of black tanks, and it would be a great contrast with the red filling section!

Some Tanks offer a selection of colors. I'd like to see clear o-rings on a black tank.
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[jefx]

100%VG and cooladdict,
I'm not stressing myself out, nor am I trying to personally offend anyone.

I'm pointing out a dissenting view about the use of ceramic for the possible thousands of people who will read this thread, and my concerns about the safe use of such a material.

For the record, I think this tank looks awesome, and I am interested in learning more about it. I realize that I am not obligated to buy it, and if I don't like what I see, then I won't.

Also, Aspire wasn't the only company who used ceramic paper as a wick in their coils.

 

[jefx]

I realize that the ceramic wick is housed inside a "head" and that it is protected from outside blows, but can it handle the "shock" of being dropped, or falling over without breaking?.... I don't know, and I'm curious and cautious about it.

If QC isn't perfect, is it possible that an improperly sintered ceramic wick could find it's way into a coil that is sold to the public? This is probably my main concern.

Can an improperly sintered wick release ceramic dust when used?.... I think this is a possibility that I was trying to point out earlier.

I have experienced more poor QC related failures in vaping gear than any other consumer products I have ever used. Ceramic being so brittle and fragile is a bad combination with poor QC, and makes me leery of it's use in any way regarding an atomizer.

 

[100%VG]

100%VG and cooladdict,
I'm not stressing myself out, nor am I trying to personally offend anyone.

I'm pointing out a dissenting view about the use of ceramic for the possible thousands of people who will read this thread, and my concerns about the safe use of such a material.

For the record, I think this tank looks awesome, and I am interested in learning more about it. I realize that I am not obligated to buy it, and if I don't like what I see, then I won't.

Also, Aspire wasn't the only company who used ceramic paper as a wick in their coils.

I think it's great to have concerns and be cautious, but before we start voicing those concerns posed as warnings, we should do our research to see if there is any valid reason to post such warnings. There have been far too many Alarmist Warnings.

Oh my God! Stainless Steel Mesh can produce Chromium Oxide under Industrial conditions. Stainless Steel Mesh isn't safe for vaping!!!

Oh my God! Nickel can produce Carbonyl under Industrial conditions. Ni200 is not safe for vaping!!!​

I suggest you take your concerns to an area of ceramic research where the types of ceramic you are concerned about are being researched. Find out if there are any concerns to be voiced before you voice them. Separate the areas of danger from those that do not happen under vaping conditions. If you can't find such research on the Internet or in Forums, then get with Chemists, Metallurgists, and other Scientists who are professionals and specialists in the area of your research. When you find a possibly dangerous condition under vaping applications, then report your findings with documented evidence, and relate the conditions that create the danger. This is the only Fair way to report potential and/or blatant hazards, and should become the Standard. This is the way that I do things for my own vaping concerns. I do the research before I try the product.

I would thank you to take your Alarmist Warnings elsewhere. If you have any actual evidence that a concern is valid, then post that.
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[100%VG]

I realize that the ceramic wick is housed inside a "head" and that it is protected from outside blows, but can it handle the "shock" of being dropped, or falling over without breaking?.... I don't know, and I'm curious and cautious about it.

If QC isn't perfect, is it possible that an improperly sintered ceramic wick could find it's way into a coil that is sold to the public? This is probably my main concern.

Can an improperly sintered wick release ceramic dust when used?.... I think this is a possibility that I was trying to point out earlier.

I have experienced more poor QC related failures in vaping gear than any other consumer products I have ever used. Ceramic being so brittle and fragile is a bad combination with poor QC, and makes me leery of it's use in any way regarding an atomizer.

If you had ever had a piece of Sintered Ceramic in your hand and done things to it to see if it was fragile or brittle, then you would know that it is not. I have. Have you? Do your research to get answers to your questions!!! Start your own thread about it. Get your facts and then come back.
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[jefx]

I think it's great to have concerns and be cautious, but before we start voicing those concerns posed as warnings, we should do our research to see if there is any valid reason to post such warnings. There have been far too many Alarmist Warnings.

Oh my God! Stainless Steel Mesh can produce Chromium Oxide under Industrial conditions. Stainless Steel Mesh isn't safe for vaping!!!

Oh my God! Nickel can produce Carbonyl under Industrial conditions. Ni200 is not safe for vaping!!!​

I suggest you take your concerns to an area of ceramic research where the types of ceramic you are concerned about are being researched. Find out if there are any concerns to be voiced before you voice them. Separate the areas of danger from those that do not happen under vaping conditions. If you can't find such research on the Internet or in Forums, then get with Chemists, Metallurgists, and other Scientists who are professionals and specialists in the area of your research. When you find a possibly dangerous condition under vaping applications, then report your findings with documented evidence, and relate the conditions that create the danger. This is the only Fair way to report potential and/or blatant hazards, and should become the Standard. This is the way that I do things for my own vaping concerns. I do the research before I try the product.

I would thank you to take your Alarmist Warnings elsewhere. If you have any actual evidence that a concern is valid, then post that.
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no.

this is a public forum and this is a discussion thread about the IJOY Reaper Plus Tank. If you don't like my concerns or comments, than don't read them.

 

[jefx]

If my concerns are are so irritating to you, than maybe I have hit close to the truth?

 

[100%VG]

If my concerns are are so irritating to you, than maybe I have hit close to the truth?

Your concerns are irritating because you are simply being an Alarmist without any evidence. Get some evidence and report that. You are trying to sabotage a product over one optional piece of it.
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[jefx]

What you call alarmist, I call caution. There is no evidence, because the product is not out yet.

 

[retired1]

While having concerns is good, making claims without a shred of evidence to back those claims up isn't kosher.

Conversely, ceramic has been used as a wicking material for quite some time now and as far as I know, there hasn't been a single health study done saying it's bad.

So, let's tone the rhetoric back and stop with the claims without any evidence to back it up.

Thank you.

 

[100%VG]

While having concerns is good, making claims without a shred of evidence to back those claims up isn't kosher.

Conversely, ceramic has been used as a wicking material for quite some time now and as far as I know, there hasn't been a single health study done saying it's bad.

So, let's tone the rhetoric back and stop with the claims without any evidence to back it up.

Thank you.

Thank You!

 

[100%VG]

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Happy New Year!!!

Have a Blessed and Prosperous Year!
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[cooladdict]

Some Tanks offer a selection of colors. I'd like to see clear o-rings on a black tank.
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Oooh I would go with black and pink, definitely, if that was an option. I love that color combo.

 

[cooladdict]

I realize that the ceramic wick is housed inside a "head" and that it is protected from outside blows, but can it handle the "shock" of being dropped, or falling over without breaking?.... I don't know, and I'm curious and cautious about it.

If QC isn't perfect, is it possible that an improperly sintered ceramic wick could find it's way into a coil that is sold to the public? This is probably my main concern.

Can an improperly sintered wick release ceramic dust when used?.... I think this is a possibility that I was trying to point out earlier.

I have experienced more poor QC related failures in vaping gear than any other consumer products I have ever used. Ceramic being so brittle and fragile is a bad combination with poor QC, and makes me leery of it's use in any way regarding an atomizer.

I haven't used this particular coil yet, but I do have other tanks that use sintered coils and I actually just knocked a mod off of a side table last night that is running one. No damage was done to the coil (or the mod) at all. I had to tap the bottom of the tank back down on one side because it got knocked a little sideways, so there was definitely some force when it hit but the coil is still in pristine condition. Ceramic isn't actually all that brittle when it is sintered like that. It's a pretty tough little coil. Since the sintering process just bakes the powder and doesn't require the addition of anything but heat to get it to bond it doesn't seem very likely to me that there would be free-floating dust from the sintering process, but it would be nice to see some documentation about this. I know they use the sintering process for dental implants and the implants have a very high success rate and longevity, which definitely allays my fear of using sintered ceramic for vaping purposes.

 

[cooladdict]

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Happy New Year!!!

Have a Blessed and Prosperous Year!
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Happy New Year! Here's to a wonderful, vape-filled 2016.

 

[100%VG]

Happy New Year! Here's to a wonderful, vape-filled 2016.

Happy New Year, Darlin'.
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[jefx]

While having concerns is good, making claims without a shred of evidence to back those claims up isn't kosher.

Conversely, ceramic has been used as a wicking material for quite some time now and as far as I know, there hasn't been a single health study done saying it's bad.

So, let's tone the rhetoric back and stop with the claims without any evidence to back it up.

Thank you.

I think I missed something here....... What claim(s) did I make? The only claims made here have been the ones calling me names.
I am merely asking questions. Those being:

1. Can a sintered ceramic wick in a coil head break under harsh use?
2. Can a sintered ceramic wick be poorly manufactured in a way in which it releases ceramic powder when inhaled through?

These are my concerns, and for bringing them to attention, I am being called an alarmist.

 

[jefx]

I haven't used this particular coil yet, but I do have other tanks that use sintered coils and I actually just knocked a mod off of a side table last night that is running one. No damage was done to the coil (or the mod) at all. I had to tap the bottom of the tank back down on one side because it got knocked a little sideways, so there was definitely some force when it hit but the coil is still in pristine condition. Ceramic isn't actually all that brittle when it is sintered like that. It's a pretty tough little coil. Since the sintering process just bakes the powder and doesn't require the addition of anything but heat to get it to bond it doesn't seem very likely to me that there would be free-floating dust from the sintering process, but it would be nice to see some documentation about this. I know they use the sintering process for dental implants and the implants have a very high success rate and longevity, which definitely allays my fear of using sintered ceramic for vaping purposes.

That's good to know. I hope it is as tough as it sounds.