SmokeFree Wisconsin not about public health

[kristin]

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In a recent blog post, I addressed a recent blog post by SmokeFree Wisconsin regarding smokeless tobacco products.

After a few readers questioned the logic of refusing to do "less harm" in promoting the use of smokeless tobacco over smoked tobacco, the author replied,

"Our priorities include proving for smoke-free environments, increasing the price of tobacco, and ensuring there is a strong, comprehensive tobacco prevention and control program.

To serve those priorities we partner to collect data, data which indicates that smokeless use is already on the rise in WI. We use data which shows that the burden of tobacco is NOT reduced by the use smokeless products.

We are not exposing smokers to any risks. We pass policies, we don't do treatment.

Smokeless is not less harmful. Period."​

So, where is the goal of protecting public health in this statement?

Where is the accountability that in setting policies, they effect public behavior?

Since when did it become "the burden of tobacco" over....

 

[Kate51]

Very good points, Kristin, I will go back later and leave a post, but got a 'windows closed this site' message. ??

[edit] Yes, working fine now...be back!

 

[kristin]

Could be because I was just editing a typo. Should work now! Thanks Kate!

 

[kristin]

I can't believe how stupid these people are. How can you KNOW that the greatest danger of smoking is the SMOKE and turn around and tell people that tobacco WITHOUT SMOKE can't be less harmful??

It truly shows that they don't care about public health - they care about their blind ambition to eradictate all tobacco use and it doesn't matter who gets hurt along the way!

The fact that smokeless tobacco use is UP in Wisconsin is a GOOD thing - it means more people are choosing smokeless options over smoking!

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Need a Howitzer to get the concept of harm reduction through the thick skulls at SFW. They are dead set against it. I remember a quote from an old book I once read about psychic abilities....the scientist who was demanding proof of abilities stated, baldly, that "There isn't enough evidence in the world to convince me that these abilities exist,"

This is the mindset and mentality we fight - ANY study or discussion or proof or argument will be discounted, torn up, ignored, or otherwise ridiculed by these people - it couldn't POSSIBLY be accurate if it distorts their vision.

These are zealots. They've lost the truth, now all they have is the goal.

 

[Thulium]

+1 Vicks

I've posted a comment as well. Waiting for "approval"--heh.

 

[kristin]

If you guys can Digg and or comment on my posts too, that would help. It'd be great to have people google "smokefree wisconsin" and get the Wisconsin Vapers blog to hear their lies!!

 

[bassnut]

I can't believe how stupid these people are. How can you KNOW that the greatest danger of smoking is the SMOKE and turn around and tell people that tobacco WITHOUT SMOKE can't be less harmful??

It truly shows that they don't care about public health - they care about their blind ambition to eradictate all tobacco use and it doesn't matter who gets hurt along the way!

The fact that smokeless tobacco use is UP in Wisconsin is a GOOD thing - it means more people are choosing smokeless options over smoking!

I Dugg it.

This may sound overly cynical but I believe their "stupidity" stems from their fanatical hatred of smokers as addicts. At the end of the day it's about bigotry and fear and it's gone way beyond their fear of second-hand smoke.
It get's a little scary when you think about the implications of that.

Can you think another good example in world event history when blind fear and hatred trumped reason?

 

[kristin]

I Dugg it.

This may sound overly cynical but I believe their "stupidity" stems from their fanatical hatred of smokers as addicts. At the end of the day it's about bigotry and fear and it's gone way beyond their fear of second-hand smoke.
It get's a little scary when you think about the implications of that.

Can you think another good example in world event history when blind fear and hatred trumped reason?

Just one - Nazi Germany.

Of course, add in greed and I could add many more!

 

[DC2]

If you open up the link to the article, there is a larger picture of kristin's avatar.
It truly is worth opening just for that.


And while you're there, may as well Digg it.

 

[D103]

I agree Bassnut the implications are frightening!! and when you ask the queston "Can you think of another good example in world event history when fear and blind hatred trumped reason?" There are agonizingly Way Too Many:

The Crusades
Japanese Internment camps in the U.S.
Every Holy War throughout the history of mankind
Slavery / Civil Rights / Womens' Suffrage
"Papers Please" legislation in Arizona in addition to Banning Cultural Ethnicity classes
in ALL Public schools in Arizona
Assassination of Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy and President John Kennedy

The popular phrase "color blind" to supposedly imply a lack of racial prejudice but which actually promotes the deepest form of racial prejudice - denial of humanity's vast array
of differences. For a person to say "I'm color blind, when it comes to race and ethnicity is just simply dishonest, ignorant and bigotted.

And then of course, our plight - the longstanding, systematic demonization of smokers in a failed and misguided attempt to 'free the world of ALL SMOKING' even things that look like smoking (BUT ARE NOT) and to the exclusion of safer alternatives to smoking which are clearly in the best interests of Public Health, because...after all...as Vicks Vap-oh-yeah so aptly put it....it's NOT their GOAL

 

[Posidon]

Mind if I post a link on their Facebook wall Kristin?

 

[Posidon]

SFW is also trying to get 731 photos of people holding their sign saying that Wisconsin is smoke free and submit it to their site. I think they could use a picture of me holding the smoke free sign while vaping.
SmokeFree Wisconsin

 

[D103]

This is a little off topic and I apologize for that.....but regarding what everyone recognizes as sheer stupidity, there was a short news bit on TV last night re: some 'Tea Party' rally/protest somewhere and they showed a picture of some bozo holding up a big sign which stated:

GET a BRAIN
YOU MORANS!!

What do you say to that? What can you say?

 

[DC2]

This is a little off topic and I apologize for that.....but regarding what everyone recognizes as sheer stupidity, there was a short news bit on TV last night re: some 'Tea Party' rally/protest somewhere and they showed a picture of some bozo holding up a big sign which stated:

GET a BRAIN
YOU MORANS!!

What do you say to that? What can you say?

If we're going off topic, I listen to sports radio all the time.
And I am constantly hearing athletes using "big words" incorrectly.

Example: Coffee is the best way to instigate myself to get ready for practice.

Why would you start using a word when you don't even know what it means?
Shouldn't you make sure you know what it means before you start using it?

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.

 

[kristin]

Mind if I post a link on their Facebook wall Kristin?

You can try!

 

[Vocalek]

Dugg, shared, and commented.

 

[Vocalek]

Check out the YouTube link that I posted on their Facebook Page

SmokeFree Wisconsin | Facebook

 

[kristin]

They must have deleted it - I didn't see a YouTube link posted by you.

What was it?

 

[ezmoose]

Commented

The preponderance of the harm is in the smoke; get it! Apparently not! Like the saying goes, you can not graft a new idea onto a closed mind!

The "all or nothing" mentality of anti-Tobacco Harm Reduction zealots will result in countless deaths! I don’t know how they can look themselves in the mirror or sleep well with that on their conscious?

and Dugg

It gets rather tiring talking to walls!