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Smoking causes one in 10 deaths worldwide, study shows

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by VictorC, Apr 6, 2017.

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  1. VictorC

    VictorC Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2015
    Toronto, Ontario
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  2. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    It's scientific fraud. They falsely blame smoking for diseases that are really caused by infection. They use defective studies that miss many cases of infection or ignore it altogether. Those infections are more common among those less wealthy, and smokers are more likely to be among the less wealthy, so that's how they cast false blame on smoking. Every Surgeon General report is proof of their commission of this fraud.
    The Surgeon General Lies About Cancer
    The Surgeon General Lies That Smoking Causes Heart Disease

    Then they use the fraudulent claims to insinuate that e-cigs are dangerous as well. So, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
     
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  3. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    Smoking doesn't do your health any good. We've all experienced that and we've all seen that and we don't need a fancy scientific study to tell us that. Two-and-a-half years ago there were 20 smokers in the shop where I work. Today there are 10 smokers and 10 vapers. The vapers feel better, and save money if they want to. My vaping is basically free. An added bonus is I feel better.
     
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  4. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hunterwasser
    Smoking kills you, got it.
     
  5. motordude

    motordude Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2015
    VA, USA
    But what's killing the other 9?
    That's what needs to be asked.
    Maybe living too long, or worrying about these kinds of studies. IDK
     
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  6. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    These two posts should be read together.
    And we should do so with an open mind instead of our preconceived notions.

    There is meat on this bone.
    The only question is how much.
     
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  7. WorksForMe

    WorksForMe Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 21, 2012
    N.N., Virginia
    I think changing the “common knowledge” that smoking causes lung cancer is fighting a losing battle. Is it really our fight? Smoking is obviously bad for your health, and cigarettes are going to disappear eventually. Even the tobacco companies seem to know that. We need to convince the public that vaping is not nearly as dangerous as they think smoking is.
     
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  8. Steamix

    Steamix Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2013
    Vapistan
    Living causes 10 in 10 deaths worldwide, experience shows.

    Smoking considerably increases the odds of getting you there faster.
    Vaping just gives you a tiny nudge in that direction.

    Never smoked, never vaped, never had a beer, never got laid, but got run over by a car while crossing the road to get to my favourite health food shoppe .... naaaaw :D
     
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  9. mcclintock

    mcclintock Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2014
    I did some poking around after reading that smokers have a over 50% chance of dying from some kind of smoking-related problem, well if you look at the classic smoking diseases such as lung cancer etc. I was only able to see a 10% chance of SMOKERS dying from smoking, much less the public as a whole.
     
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  10. Painter_

    Painter_ Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 21, 2013
    In my happy place
    100% of people that have drank water even once in their life will die, so drinking water contributes to 10 out of 10 deaths. Logical facilities run amuck in Tobacco Control.
     
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  11. plumeguy

    plumeguy Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I could see this being true. If smoking can kill the same person 2 or 3 times.
     
  12. numsquat

    numsquat Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 18, 2015
    And being born causes 100% death rate. So not being born gives you a better chance of survival, maybe statically.
     
  13. cookiebun

    cookiebun Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2011
    Central Ohio
    My reply to that is: So? Study something else and mind your own business.
    From the article:
    "Despite more than half a century of unequivocal evidence of the harmful effects of tobacco on health, today, one in every four men in the world is a daily smoker," said senior author Dr Emmanuela Gakidou.'
    Busy body Dr needs to get it through her head that many, many people KNOW they shouldn't smoke but do so anyway because it's something they ENJOY.
    MYOB BUSYBODIES WE DON'T NEED NANNIES!
     
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  14. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    Sorry, but in a world of government funded health care, it's everybody's business.
    It's also about the slipperiest of slippery slopes that one can imagine.

    EDIT:
    For anyone that can't read between the lines...
    Government funded health care is the door to 1984...

    Whether you're for it or against it, at least realize the truth of it.
     
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  15. Frenchfry1942

    Frenchfry1942 Chillin' Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 12, 2014
    Rivanna
    I leave open the idea that smoking all those chemicals damages a lot of internal parts and, although it may not be listed on the death certificate, smoking had its part in the matter.
     
  16. Verb

    Verb Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 26, 2014
    Eastern, PA, USA
    I would say, it can be the door to 1984, but it doesn't have to be. Most good things can be twisted with evil motives.
     
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  17. CarolT

    CarolT Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2011
    Madison WI
    Stanton Glantz and his cronies are pretending that vaping causes heart disease. It's based on lab studies, with zero evidence of actual deaths of vapers. Meanwhile, their false claim that smoking causes heart disease is based on lifestyle questionnaires that ignore cytomegalovirus. According to NHANES data, 40% of cardiovascular disease is due to CMV. That's higher than they can blame on smoking! And CMV is more common among working class people including smokers.
    http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/3/775.full
     
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