Jim, I just watched it and I thought it was very good. Well done !!!
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Jim, I just watched it and I thought it was very good. Well done !!!
Thanks Jerry, but I know I was off tonight. This stuff just boggles the imagination.
Here we have a device that has the potential of saving over 500,000 lives each year, and the Gobernment wants to piss it away.
Mind blowing.
Get some weird looking hats and signs and start having some vape parties with the congressmen to inform them. If it is loud and crazy with a bunch of people the media will start following our stories.
Better not put our heads under the sand right now. Maybe the vitamin folks could give some good guidance.
Jerry,
Now this is the type of argument that works for us as it pits them against another rational argument. This makes the media work for us and is the type of campaigning approch we should be working. The media loves a good "mud fight" pitting view against view.
"Many critics of the new product argue that e-cigarettes are just another means by which the evil tobacco companies can hook kids on cigarettes. OK. but it’s curious, then, how the do-gooders seek to go far beyond simply restricting sales and access to minors. instead, states such as California and Oregon have attempted to ban the product outright.
And here we believed all those anti-smoking activists when they insisted that their primary concern wasn’t to stop adult smokers from lighting up, but to protect nonsmokers from the dangers of second-hand smoke. Based on the reaction to the e-cigarette, it is now clear that the exact opposite was true"
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Now this is the type of argument that works for us as it pits them against another rational argument. This makes the media work for us and is the type of campaigning approch we should be working. The media loves a good "mud fight" pitting view against view.
"Many critics of the new product argue that e-cigarettes are just another means by which the evil tobacco companies can hook kids on cigarettes. OK. but it’s curious, then, how the do-gooders seek to go far beyond simply restricting sales and access to minors. instead, states such as California and Oregon have attempted to ban the product outright.
And here we believed all those anti-smoking activists when they insisted that their primary concern wasn’t to stop adult smokers from lighting up, but to protect nonsmokers from the dangers of second-hand smoke. Based on the reaction to the e-cigarette, it is now clear that the exact opposite was true"
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I verified that this link is on the ASH site. LOL
Second time Banzass gets suckered. I'm beginning to wonder if he even has the ability to READ.
Second time Banzass gets suckered. I'm beginning to wonder if he even has the ability to READ.
Must read this at Dr, Siegel's site:
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary
Clinical Trial of Liquid Nicotine Cigarettes Yields Greater than 50% Quit Rate at 3 Months; Suggests Great Promise for Liquid & Electronic Cigarettes
Complete study-PDF:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-10-155.pdf
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary
Clinical Trial of Liquid Nicotine Cigarettes Yields Greater than 50% Quit Rate at 3 Months; Suggests Great Promise for Liquid & Electronic Cigarettes
Complete study-PDF:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-10-155.pdf
Good Study. Note that this is NOT an E-cig trial, rather liquid nicotine that you sip on. I have referenced this product numerous times in this thread.
See Smoke-Break®
This product is from a small manufacturer that made the proper applications to the FDA and is going though the Approval process unlike any of the e-cig companies that blew off the entire FDA system.
We would have a much stronger case in Court if SE or NJOY had actually sought approval and were denied.
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BigJimW-I can see your frustration in your video. It is hard to believe that the government wants to ban something that has done so much good. You do get to the point where you just say what is going on with these people. Can't they just step back and take a good look and think about the concept of the electronic cigarette. I am like you I don't understand their thinking. I has to be the money.Why else would they put so much effort into denying something that has the potential of saving lives.
I also am completely speechless. Good video. I do suggest you get a new hat.
I also am completely speechless. Good video. I do suggest you get a new hat.
as for the electronic cigarettes them selves its a non issue. its the liquid and dekang from what i understand dekang tried to get fda approval and where basicly blown off.
What does this mean- Dakang tried to get FDA approval? I have seen that from time to time. There is only one way to get FDA approval- with an NDA and by following the procedures. I understand that numerous importers and some manufacturers tried to preempt the lengthy and costly process and that's when they hit a roadblock. Sources at the FDA are unequivocal- no one associated with e-cigarettes made a serious or comprehensive inquiry or application to the FDA with respect to e-cigarettes. Inquiries via e-mail to the FDA's CDER notwithstanding.
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In response to BigJimW's recently posted rant on You Tube, the FDA isn't interested in collecting money from smokers, and there's no big government conspiracy against e-cigarette consumers.
Rather, its just one FDA official (Josh Sharfstein) who has been misrepresenting the evidence about e-cigarettes and has been trying to remove them from the market.
Rather, its just one FDA official (Josh Sharfstein) who has been misrepresenting the evidence about e-cigarettes and has been trying to remove them from the market.
Are there any indications as to what his motivations are?
And what about all these states that are trying to ban them?
I find it very troubling, to think that just one UNELECTED person has that kind of power over us !!!!
I agree Jerry, this goes far beyond one unelected and uneducated person.
The FDA may not be directly "responsible", but I'm sure that the special interests involved to keep electronic cigarettes off the market are playing a big factor, especially since they have the FDA in their back pockets.
Hey Jim you are NEVER OFF
and I for one really appreciate your candor, your passion, you dedication, wit and sarcasm as well as your frank reviews and opinions! I don't know if you've ever heard of the "Venus Project" but if you ever get a chance look it up online - a fascinating project about where, as free and intelligent people we could possibly go. Here is a good quote from the project:"All of the world's economic systems - socialism, communism, fascism and even the vaunted free enterprise capitalist system - perpetuate social stratisfication, elitism, Nationalism and racism, primarily based on economic disparity. As long as a social system uses money or barter, people and nations will seek to maintain positions of differential advantage. If they cannot do so by means of commerce they will resort to military intervention."
Another belief of the project, and one that is shared by many reputable economists, psychologists and sociologists: The natural evolution of ANY economic system which is primarily monetary/barter based, is an evolution towards fascism. Are we not seeing that inevitable evolution taking place in our country. The notion of personal freedom and liberty has long been becoming a mirage and Special Interests, Corporate Mongors - a very elite few really "call the shots" while the rest of us take it in the *ss, Fascism dressed up in "new and improved" clothing but fascism just the same and for those who don't feel currently affected by this, a serious and sincere warning:
When they come for you and they will, will there be anyone left to help you!
Wouldn't applying for FDA approval (which didn't have oversight of tobacco products at the time) been the same as admitting ecigs are drug/drug delivery device combinations?
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