Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY
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I was also interested so I've done some reading about Project Venus.
Here's my summary for anyone else who is curious:
These people make communism look like a hard-nosed Darwinian approach to life.
A Marxist slogan which I think summarizes the fundamental tenets of communism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
I think the equivalent Project Venus slogan would be: From each according to what he feels like doing, to each according to what he wants to use.
An openly expressed assumption is that when the concept of money is eliminated from society, modern technology is sufficiently powerful to assure that there is enough of everything to go around. Minor details such as squabbling over who gets what first, who gets the waterfront properties in Hawaii, who does the dirty work, etc. are ignored. Side effects of the new money-less world (they don't seem to understand what currency actually is, it is treated as an arbitrary construct) include the elimination of war, drugs, and prostitution (all treated as obvious consequences of the evil monetary system), better health and education, and better sex lives for all.
I truly do appreciate high ideals. Yet I am wondering what drugs these people are on. Is acid not enough anymore?
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The FDA (who is funded by the drug companies) is here to approve drugs. There is a $800,000,000.00 testing process for them to approve a drug. hmmm, i wonder why. Could this be so that no-one, other than a drug company can even think about affording to get anything approved??? ....seen any natural remedies approved lately? nope.
Congress has passed laws that has made it legal for them to use inside information (provided by the FDA) to buy stocks in drugs the FDA is ABOUT to ok. Yes, they actually passed this law. The drug companies have congress in their pocket, via the lobbyists...who carry HUGE "bribes" (which congress has also created laws to make legal) in the drug companies favor.
Ever look at aspertame? How about HFCS? Sucrolose, fructose....its all SWEET POISON.
And aspertame....pushed through FDA approval funding by Donald Rumsfeld. Its poison. It's in everything.
They do NOT CARE what is good for us. IMO, they want us to be sick....for a long time....so that they can sell us they're drugs that don't work, and further poison us with thousands of side-effects, causing more illness, necesitating more of their freakin drugs.
They are sick...money obsessed, soul-less people.
IMO, they have us running around, chasing our tails over trivial bills and facts, partisanship....when the truth is right there. I mean...what will it take for it to be true??? The answers are riight there. I just wish i knew how to fight such a machine.
Maybe spreading awareness is all we've got. I'm so in to fight this fight...i've seen too many loved ones suffer...and honestly, i haven't seen ANY of them cured of ANYTHING.
Congress has passed laws that has made it legal for them to use inside information (provided by the FDA) to buy stocks in drugs the FDA is ABOUT to ok. Yes, they actually passed this law. The drug companies have congress in their pocket, via the lobbyists...who carry HUGE "bribes" (which congress has also created laws to make legal) in the drug companies favor.
Ever look at aspertame? How about HFCS? Sucrolose, fructose....its all SWEET POISON.
And aspertame....pushed through FDA approval funding by Donald Rumsfeld. Its poison. It's in everything.
They do NOT CARE what is good for us. IMO, they want us to be sick....for a long time....so that they can sell us they're drugs that don't work, and further poison us with thousands of side-effects, causing more illness, necesitating more of their freakin drugs.
They are sick...money obsessed, soul-less people.
IMO, they have us running around, chasing our tails over trivial bills and facts, partisanship....when the truth is right there. I mean...what will it take for it to be true??? The answers are riight there. I just wish i knew how to fight such a machine.
Maybe spreading awareness is all we've got. I'm so in to fight this fight...i've seen too many loved ones suffer...and honestly, i haven't seen ANY of them cured of ANYTHING.
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While I agree there is no "big govt. conspiracy" per se against e-cigs you are grossly naive if you truly believe that 'one FDA official' is soley responsible for the obviously organized resistance to e-cigs being allowed in the market place; and that there are not very large and serious considerations, both financial and political involving the FDA, Big tobacco and Big Pharma, not to mention state govts and the federal govt. Case in point would be the FDA's recent 'report' re: supposedly testing electronic cigarettes and their contents. Their 'report' was unscientific, misleading, disingenuous, self-serving and bordered on unethical.
Josh Sharfstein is the Deputy Commissioner of the FDA in charge of its drug office that issued the notice adding e-cigarettes to Custom's import restriction list, that has overseen all enforcement actions against e-cigarettes, and that refuses to classify and regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
Sharfstein also organized and ran the FDA's July 22, 2009 press conference where he knowingly and intentionally misrepresented the evidence about e-cigarettes. One of the so-called public health experts who Sharfstein brought in to trash e-cigarettes at the press conference was Jonathan Samet, who was recently rewarded for his e-cigarette demonization and prohibition activism by being named Chair of the FDA tobacco scientific advisory committee.
From 2003 to 2007, Sharfstein was Henry Waxman's legislative staffer whose responsibility was to lobby other members of Congress to enact the FDA tobacco legislation (after Waxman and Sharfstein were involved in negotiation and agreeing to the legislation with Philip Morris).
Sharfstein is an abstinence-only tobacco/nicotine prohibitionist who has gone to great lengths since 2003 to mislead the public to inaccurately believe that all tobacco/nicotine products (except NRT products marketed as smoking cessation aids) are similarly hazardous, to mislead the public to believe that smokefree tobacco products are being target marketed to youth (instead of to adult smokers), and to oppose every effort to amend the FDA tobacco legislation to thruthfully inform the public that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are 99% less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes.
While I agree there is no "big govt. conspiracy" per se against e-cigs you are grossly naive if you truly believe that 'one FDA official' is soley responsible for the obviously organized resistance to e-cigs being allowed in the market place; and that there are not very large and serious considerations, both financial and political involving the FDA, Big tobacco and Big Pharma, not to mention state govts and the federal govt. Case in point would be the FDA's recent 'report' re: supposedly testing electronic cigarettes and their contents. Their 'report' was unscientific, misleading, disingenuous, self-serving and bordered on unethical.
Josh Sharfstein is the Deputy Commissioner of the FDA in charge of its drug office that issued the notice adding e-cigarettes to Custom's import restriction list, that has overseen all enforcement actions against e-cigarettes, and that refuses to classify and regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
Sharfstein also organized and ran the FDA's July 22, 2009 press conference where he knowingly and intentionally misrepresented the evidence about e-cigarettes. One of the so-called public health experts who Sharfstein brought in to trash e-cigarettes at the press conference was Jonathan Samet, who was recently rewarded for his e-cigarette demonization and prohibition activism by being named Chair of the FDA tobacco scientific advisory committee.
From 2003 to 2007, Sharfstein was Henry Waxman's legislative staffer whose responsibility was to lobby other members of Congress to enact the FDA tobacco legislation (after Waxman and Sharfstein were involved in negotiation and agreeing to the legislation with Philip Morris).
Sharfstein is an abstinence-only tobacco/nicotine prohibitionist who has gone to great lengths since 2003 to mislead the public to inaccurately believe that all tobacco/nicotine products (except NRT products marketed as smoking cessation aids) are similarly hazardous, to mislead the public to believe that smokefree tobacco products are being target marketed to youth (instead of to adult smokers), and to oppose every effort to amend the FDA tobacco legislation to thruthfully inform the public that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are 99% less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes.
Bill--I think what D103 is saying is that although this fellow, Sharfstein, may be front and center in the efforts, it really is hard to buy that he is acting alone and on his own and I would tend to agree with that. This is not the doings of one individual IMO.
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JerrryRM wrote
The American Lung Association was founded because of Tuberculosis.
A century ago when the ALA was created (its original name was something like the American Association to Eliminate Tuberculosis), its first largescale lobbying campaign was to ban spittoons and public spitting (by smokeless tobacco users) in many/most cities and states.
At that time, it was inaccurately believed that spit tobacco juice transmitted tuberculosis. Ironically, the ALA's campaign to ban public spitting and spittoons encouraged lots of smokeless tobacco users to switch to a novel alternative tobacco product called the cigarette, which nobody (including the ALA) realized was a far more hazardous tobacco product for users and others who breathed the smoke daily.
So the ALA helped create the cigarette epidemic, and now the ALA is trying to protect and preserve cigarette markets by once again falsely claiming that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are NOT SAFE alternatives to cigarettes, and by trying to ban e-cigarettes and their usage.
The American Lung Association was founded because of Tuberculosis.
A century ago when the ALA was created (its original name was something like the American Association to Eliminate Tuberculosis), its first largescale lobbying campaign was to ban spittoons and public spitting (by smokeless tobacco users) in many/most cities and states.
At that time, it was inaccurately believed that spit tobacco juice transmitted tuberculosis. Ironically, the ALA's campaign to ban public spitting and spittoons encouraged lots of smokeless tobacco users to switch to a novel alternative tobacco product called the cigarette, which nobody (including the ALA) realized was a far more hazardous tobacco product for users and others who breathed the smoke daily.
So the ALA helped create the cigarette epidemic, and now the ALA is trying to protect and preserve cigarette markets by once again falsely claiming that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are NOT SAFE alternatives to cigarettes, and by trying to ban e-cigarettes and their usage.
I've no love or trust of the FDA ever since learning of them preventing alternative therapies in the US because well it's too effective and cheap..
Alternative remedies like ozone therapy...
I was further wondering if we weren't using the it's a tobacco product argument if we could use some of the laws that are in place in the health freedom states that allow patients access to alternative non FDA approved therapies under direction of a physician as long as the patient is informed..
Alternative remedies like ozone therapy...
I was further wondering if we weren't using the it's a tobacco product argument if we could use some of the laws that are in place in the health freedom states that allow patients access to alternative non FDA approved therapies under direction of a physician as long as the patient is informed..
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Sun Vaporer wrote:
Bill--I think what D103 is saying is that although this fellow, Sharfstein, may be front and center in the efforts, it really is hard to buy that he is acting alone and on his own and I would tend to agree with that.
Sharfstein (who is a political appointee) is the one person who was, is and will continue to be the biggest threat for e-cigarettes and e-cigarette consumers.
Instead of blaming the entire FDA, the entire Obama administration, Big Government, Big Pharma, the ALA or John Banzhaf for the problems facing e-cigarettes, I suggest blaming the person at the FDA who has actually been responsible for causing these problems.
Bill--I think what D103 is saying is that although this fellow, Sharfstein, may be front and center in the efforts, it really is hard to buy that he is acting alone and on his own and I would tend to agree with that.
Sharfstein (who is a political appointee) is the one person who was, is and will continue to be the biggest threat for e-cigarettes and e-cigarette consumers.
Instead of blaming the entire FDA, the entire Obama administration, Big Government, Big Pharma, the ALA or John Banzhaf for the problems facing e-cigarettes, I suggest blaming the person at the FDA who has actually been responsible for causing these problems.
That is a little "overreaching" Bill, as I did not implicate Obama, ASH, Oig Pharma, the ALA or Big Goverment.
I simply stated that this fellow, Sharfstein, IMO, is not acting alone. So lets try to keep what everyone is saying straight. Others may implicate them, but there is no evidence on way or the other with these groups.
What is obvious is that this "little device" called an e-cig is getting way more attention than most other products.
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I believe I understand and agree with your point Mr Bill...Rather than target a group or the underlying concept of various groups, we can fight against the individual using the squeaky wheel mentality. You are naming our enemy and it's much easier to fight a single human than a concept.
Then it seems that since Sharfstein has led the FDA down the "evil" e-cig track, everyone is believing it and using it to their owns ends, whatever those may be. So, if Sharfstein reverses course and recants (LOL) that what undermine everything that is going on now?
It's much easier to track an individual thru their agenda and refute finely tuned points Sharfstein has many enemies and the enemy of my enemy is my friend...for a time.
I don't believe that Sharfstein is acting on his own...and without green lights from any number of interested parties being hurt by the e-cig. However, I do accept he is a legitimate target. It's easier to go after one man than try to get a handle on entire organizations...and he clearly has a record of being hostile to our position. We are running around putting out fires (no pun intended) with petitions and letter campaigns to state governments and the FDA....but our enemy has no face there. I will go along with targetting this clown for now.
Here is an interesting article I found while looking for a way to contact Doctor Death...
FDA's Deputy Commissioner Joshua Sharfstein Covers Up Mercury-Neurological Harm Nexus
Anyway, whether you bother to read the article or not, this was at the bottom...
EDIT: It seems he usually spends more time NOT banning things that SHOULD be banned...
EDIT: Campaign to End Antibiotic Overuse
FDA's Deputy Commissioner Joshua Sharfstein Covers Up Mercury-Neurological Harm Nexus
Anyway, whether you bother to read the article or not, this was at the bottom...
EDIT: It seems he usually spends more time NOT banning things that SHOULD be banned...
EDIT: Campaign to End Antibiotic Overuse
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Mr. Godshall Thank you for the very specific information. Obviously I need to read and research more and speak out less. Again I apologize if I was too sarcastic and/or offensive in my comments directed towards you, that was not my intent. I still believe there is much more at play here surrounding this issue, but given your info on Mr. Sharfstein I now better understand your position on him being a major if not the major player in the opposition camp. I also agree with you and others who have since posted that we will probably be better off monitoring Mr. Sharfstein's activities and public comments and voicing our disagreements with him as the main spokesperson against e-cigs in the FDA as well as addressing opposition from other camps i.e American Lung Association, and other powerful anti-tobacco/anti-smoking organizations who disseminate false and misleading information to political representatives and the public at large. Again thank you for the good information and explanation!
breathe, can you tell me where I can read about this law?
Sharfstein was Waxman's staffer? That's enough for an indictment as far as I'm concerned.
Just ran across this info and found it interesting that Mr. Sharfstein will be participating and they will be taking questions in advance. Here's the link where I found this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HHS-to-Unveil-Open-Government-bw-1083791956.html?x=0&.v=1
Note that is scheduled for tomorrow - I wonder what would happen if they were to receive a huge number of requests for 'transparency' regarding e-cigs?
Or maybe there's another way to utilize this?
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--On Wednesday April 7, 2010 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will unveil their Open Government Plan. This plan seeks to take government transparency to the next level by expanding opportunities for sharing data with the public, for public participation in HHS activities, and for collaboration both across HHS and with the world outside HHS – especially through the use of new information and communications technologies.
WHO:
Todd Park, Chief Technology Officer, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Karen Milgate, Director of the Office of Policy, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Joshua Sharfstein, Principal Deputy Commissioner, Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Jenny Backus, Acting Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
WHAT:
HHS live webcast to unveil the Open Government Plan
WHEN:
Wednesday, April 7 at 1:30 p.m. EDT
WHERE:
Live on United States Department of Health and Human Services
We will be taking questions in advance; please send your questions to open@hhs.gov. For more information on the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ plan on Open Government please visit Open Government at HHS: Open Government at HHS.
Note: All HHS press releases, fact sheets and other press materials are available at Newsroom.
Note that is scheduled for tomorrow - I wonder what would happen if they were to receive a huge number of requests for 'transparency' regarding e-cigs?
Or maybe there's another way to utilize this?
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--On Wednesday April 7, 2010 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will unveil their Open Government Plan. This plan seeks to take government transparency to the next level by expanding opportunities for sharing data with the public, for public participation in HHS activities, and for collaboration both across HHS and with the world outside HHS – especially through the use of new information and communications technologies.
WHO:
Todd Park, Chief Technology Officer, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Karen Milgate, Director of the Office of Policy, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Joshua Sharfstein, Principal Deputy Commissioner, Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Jenny Backus, Acting Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
WHAT:
HHS live webcast to unveil the Open Government Plan
WHEN:
Wednesday, April 7 at 1:30 p.m. EDT
WHERE:
Live on United States Department of Health and Human Services
We will be taking questions in advance; please send your questions to open@hhs.gov. For more information on the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ plan on Open Government please visit Open Government at HHS: Open Government at HHS.
Note: All HHS press releases, fact sheets and other press materials are available at Newsroom.
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