Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[TheIllustratedMan]

Really IllustratedMan---that is very interesting to know.

Thanks,

Sun

What are you implying Sun? What else could it ever be?

As an ad hoc group, it exists solely for that purpose. If someone were to want to co-op that name at some point down the road, more power to them, but it would be a separate entity from the one that filed the brief. Do you have another perspective on this that you would care to share?

 

[the86d]

I just donated $25 USD to "ecassoc.org with a slash then a donate"

I am just wondering what else I can do, PM me if you know!

I have been smoke free for 9 weeks tommarow for 9 weeks at 9:10ish AM.

BIG tobacco IS KILLING US LITERALLY!!!

Thank everyone for every post: recipes, Vendors posting and selling, post info on 801s, 901s, and 510z! This has helped me a lot!

The FDA (seems to be): a crock of BIG tobacco MONEY GRUBBING <insert appropriate whatever here>! AND I believe that this forum and eSmokes saved my life, while helping me live long(er) and be with my children many more years than I thought I would have if I continued to smoke...

 

[grimmer255]

there has to be away.......5000 active members with not one answer. what ever happened to that 13000 signed petition. wouldnt that help?

 

[Lika]

Edit:

I've moved the original content of this post to the "Alliance of Electronic Smokers - Amicus Brief" thread because I feel it is a better fit and probably should have been posted there originally.

The post is basically a clarification of the purpose of the "Alliance" brief and its relation to activism.

The post can be viewed here.

 

[a2dcovert]

Just want to point out that the Alliance exists solely as a brief and a list of real people supporting that brief. That is all it ever was and ever will be. CASAA and RtV are (presumably) long-term organizations with ongoing advocacy efforts. Please do add your name to the Alliance, but consider getting involved at one of those two groups as well.

If you're a supplier, look into ECA. LaceyUnderall could help you there.

So, the event this organization was created for has already come and gone?

Kevin

 

[JustJulie]

So, the event this organization was created for has already come and gone?

Kevin

Rather blunt, but I guess that's fairly accurate.

Until the court announces its decision, we welcome those who would like to add their names to the Alliance's roster in support of our brief.

But, as Lika explained:

Once this trial is over that group no longer needs to exist. That does not mean all current members of that group can't move on and do some great things together. That could either be by joining activist organizations such as RTV and CASAA or by regrouping again down the road should we need to represent as "individual consumers" in another court.

 

[a2dcovert]

Rather blunt, but I guess that's fairly accurate.

Sorry, Sometimes I speak the way I think. At times that gets me in trouble.

Kevin

 

[lotus14]

That was how I understood AES, an ad hoc group formed to submit (a very good) brief in hopes of influencing this trial. Of course, there will be an appeal and likely other litigation so I hope AES is around to help as these things develop.

CASAA, RTV, and others like them, are the places to join for continued consumer advocacy.

Please join up and get involved.

 

[JustJulie]

Sorry, Sometimes I speak the way I think. At times that gets me in trouble.

Kevin

Blunt isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[kristin]

I think the subject line for signing up to support the amicus brief is confusing to some people.

We need a post started that says "Sign Up Here To Fight The FDA Ban!!" and sticky it at the top of EVERY forum, because not everyone uses the "New Posts" or "Today's Posts" functions, they just wander around the different forums until a subject line gets their attention.

It should contain links not only on how to add your name to the amicus brief, but also links to other organizations and the petition.

That would get members attentions!

 

[EtherMagic]

i think the subject line for signing up to support the amicus brief is confusing to some people.

We need a post started that says "sign up here to fight the fda ban!!" and sticky it at the top of every forum!

That would get members attentions!

Agree!!!!!! Please mods do this!!! Not only at every forum, but once you enter the forums!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Today there was no movement on the Docket Sheet. We are still waiting to see if Judge Leon grants Leave for Alliance's Brief, SE's Brief in Opposition to leave that was granted to ASH, and the one we are waiting for the most which is SE's and NJOY's request for a Preliminary Injuction.


Sun

 

[kristin]

I just posted this if the mods want to use it as a sticky:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0175-10-easy-ways-you-can-help-fight-ban.html

 

[PhoenixRising]

I just posted this if the mods want to use it as a sticky:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0175-10-easy-ways-you-can-help-fight-ban.html

Thanks for doing this Kristin. I had no idea there were so many ways I could try to make a difference. I am off and running!

 

[ImArchimedes]

Count me in. Where do I sign.

 

[opuscroakus]

Today there was no movement on the Docket Sheet. We are still waiting to see if Judge Leon grants Leave for Alliance's Brief, SE's Brief in Opposition to leave that was granted to ASH, and the one we are waiting for the most which is SE's and NJOY's request for a Preliminary Injuction.

Is it possible that all parties are working behind the scenes at a compromise and this is why we haven't heard anything from the judge?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Is it possible that all parties are working behind the scenes at a compromise and this is why we haven't heard anything from the judge?

That is always possible Opuscrakus, but the latest filings are in response to the third party filings of ASH and Alliance.


Sun

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Today, SE filed a very strong Status Report with the Court spelling out recent events and the fact that should their Motion not be granted, it will but SE out of business do to the FDA’s alleged overreaching.

So now we have the following motions under advisement:

(1) SE’s Motion in Opposition to ASH’s grant for leave to file their Amicus Brief;
(2) Alliance’s Motion for Leave to file an Amicus’s Brief;
(3) SE’s Leave to File a Status Report;
(4) SE’ and NJOY’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction.

Remember that SE asked for this relief all the way back on April as a TRO that the Judge merged into the Prliminary Injuction request and SE has yet to see a ruling on their Motion. Some of the delay was due in fact to waiting to see if the new Legislation would pass and then the Court requesting a further hearing to see how/if that new legislation affected the case. Also more filings delayed a ruling.

There should be no reason to deley any further at this point. What SE is saying to the Court, is thier Motion will be moot if the Court does not act for the simple reason that SE will be out of business.

It does not get any more exigent then that.


Sun

 

[MrKai]

Oh. Someone there woke up About time. NOW they give the judge something to think about outside the realms of conspiracy theory. I have said several times that FDA's "Public Security Theater" and the abuse of their "go to" position ought to be focused upon and sanctioned by SOMEONE, because they effectively used this position with the oft-repeated and cited "antifreeze" rhetoric to influence public policy beyond their scope, even as their research was being attacked under peer review as being shoddy.

Very Interesting, indeed.

-K

 

[MrKai]

Sun V:

What on earth do you imagine brought this sudden appearance of competent legal representation on? Perhaps waiting for more or actual "proof" that FDA's "out-of-jurisdiction" action was in fact harming the plaintiff, as opposed to doing so in theory? Bump on the head? Checks cleared?

I'm entertaining all theories

-K