Smoktech Dual Coil Cartomizers

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I have made a personal decision to stay 2.0 and over with my eGo. You have to consider that even with dual 3.2ohm coils that operate in parallel to provide a total resistance of approximately 1.6ohms. I think this is the highest ohm rating for the dual coil cartos.

So you'd be stressing your batts at 1.6 ohms, even tho many are using them on eGo batts. Do some searches on the mosfet switch on your eGo batt. It can cause instant irrepairable damage to it instantly. Your choice. At the very least, you'll decrease the overall life of your batt.

Have you looked at the echo e cartos. I have been trying out a few, and I think I really impressed so far, but not sure if I'm totally committed to them since I really love my Boge 2.0's.
 

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So you prefer the duals over the single LR's? If so what reasons (besides extra capacity) do you like them over the single coil. Please... and thanks.

I do prefer the duals, mostly because of the kind of hit I get from it, it's a good amount of vapor and great TH with my TastyVapor tobacco juice. It's nice not to have to top off as often and so far, I haven't found anything that hits like these do. I have the GoGo and Echo and neither compare, still. I'm using an Echo-e on an Ego now and I do enjoy it, but it doesn't give me the hit of the 1.25 or 1.5 dual coil and that is because it's much lower resistance, burning two coils over a larger surface area.
 

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I have made a personal decision to stay 2.0 and over with my eGo. You have to consider that even with dual 3.2ohm coils that operate in parallel to provide a total resistance of approximately 1.6ohms. I think this is the highest ohm rating for the dual coil cartos.

So you'd be stressing your batts at 1.6 ohms, even tho many are using them on eGo batts. Do some searches on the mosfet switch on your eGo batt. It can cause instant irrepairable damage to it instantly. Your choice. At the very least, you'll decrease the overall life of your batt.

Have you looked at the echo e cartos. I have been trying out a few, and I think I really impressed so far, but not sure if I'm totally committed to them since I really love my Boge 2.0's.
They do have 2.0 and 2.5 ohm dual coils. I will find the links and edit.

....http://www.avidvaper.com/products/X2...rtomizers.html
....http://shop.nhaler.com/510-Dual-Coil...Clear-Dual.htm
 
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The performance of the 1.5s is just "OK" at 3.7 volts. You have the benefit of a LR without the possibility of that nasty burn taste in your mouth: another benefit even at 3.7 volts.

These dual coils really shine though at 4 volts +. The 3.2 volts that an ego puts out is just not quite enough to really show their potential. A true 3.7 volt mod with IMRs just opens the door, a VV mod with no amp cut off point will blow your mind. Sad part of VV mods was the fact that with a lot of attys and cartos, you couldn't crank them up anyways: juice just burned. We spend a ton of money on VV, just to be limited by the selection of cartos and attys out there. Dual coils opened the world of vaping to some new experiences, not just the samo samo. But at 3.2 volts on an ego, your missing out on something really spectacular.

I know a lot of people hate to spend money on mods. If that ego works, then hell yah. For those out there struggling with the transfer to vaping, remember there are options out there. Yes, they cost a chunk of money, but I never have stressed about what I spend on mods, as I never stressed about the $150 a week I spent on cigs, nor did I fret over the trips to the doctor's office with my lungs burnt up 2 times a year. Let that ego show you that vaping is an honest alternative to smoking, then let the mods of your dreams carry you the rest of the way as the years pass.

Never put a pricetag on being smoke free, we all are going to pay one way or the other. I prefer my money goes to some guy putting his heart and soul into a little dream vape machine, rather then a down payment on another BMW for a doctor.
 
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Any ohm rating has a direct effect on battery life.
Ya want your ego to last longer, go from 2ohm to 3ohm....longer yet, try 3.5ohm.
It's all relative and considering even ego batteries are relatively cheap, what's the loss in trying em at less than 2ohm? Again, longevity is relative to what you hook to em and the amount of drain.
As far as the circuitry. It hasn't killed the circuits of even my regular 510 batteries to date, and I've been pushing hard on 3 of em. If an ego is that fragile (or more fragile than a regular 510 battery) I would be highly surprised.

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I'm going to order the 2.0 duals for my ego. I am assuming that the 2.0 ohm is the total resistance so they are actually two 1 ohm coils (1 ohm each) in series which makes the net resistance 2.0 ohm. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Actually it's the other way round...
Two 4 ohm coils in parallel would be 2 Ohms total resistance and pull something like 2 amps at 3.7v. Total watts at 3.7v would be a little over 7w...but since it's spread over two high resitance coils...each coil is putting out something between 3 and 4 watts each.

So...at 3.7v...a 2 Ohm dualie is going to feel 'cool', but it does put out twice as much vape as a single 4 Ohm coil. That is...if your battery can actually dump the amps to get them going properly.

If each coil were only 1 Ohms in parallel, it would be .5 total resistance. Make sense?

Now...I'm not sure 'exactly' how dualies work....that's just as I understand it. It's possible they might have lower resistance coils and 'pulse' or 'alternate' the current among the two somehow (with a crystal?). In that case...I'm guessing each coil would be closer to whatever the carto is actually rated overall.

I kind of doubt they'd run two 1 Ohm coils in a series...that's just like having a single coil that's twice as long, maybe with fewer wraps, but by splitting it into 'two in a series', seems like it would just require more parts and production steps and add things to go wrong/add expense with no real advantage. The wire (nichrome?) would probably be awfully thin to be that long and only offer 2 Ohms resistance, and wouldn't last very long as a vaporizer.

Keep in mind that an eGo battery is going to put out more like 3.4v under load. It's not going to drive the dualies very well....maybe even under 3 watts per coil. They'll work...but not all that well...and not for very long before you'll need to recharge.

If you really want to rock these on a budget...get a good 5v USB passthrough with a good 3amp switch on it. Make sure you run it off a USB power source that's rated to dump up to 3 amps of current. You should be able to find such a passthrough device for under $30 if ya shop around.

Or get a mod that at least uses 3.7v IMR High Drain batteries. Better yet shoot for 5/6v mods.

E-Power 3.7v kits are under $50 now...and matches up with the 1.5 or 1.25 dualies right nicely. I think they'll take 14500 or 14650 sized batteries...the kits come with a pair and charger. Lots of vendors carry them now...MadVapes, Hoosiers, GotVapes, etc...all priced in the same ball parik.
 
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Ya got me scared now! After reading the first two pages of this thread I ordered five 1.5 dual cartos. Going to use them on a 650 and 1000 mah Ego battery. Boom time?

I put the 1.5 dual coils on my 350mAh XL 510 batts when I'm out and about and want to be less conspicuous. In three weeks, haven't had a problem yet. Just my .02
 

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Any ohm rating has a direct effect on battery life.
Ya want your ego to last longer, go from 2ohm to 3ohm....longer yet, try 3.5ohm.
It's all relative and considering even ego batteries are relatively cheap, what's the loss in trying em at less than 2ohm? Again, longevity is relative to what you hook to em and the amount of drain.
As far as the circuitry. It hasn't killed the circuits of even my regular 510 batteries to date, and I've been pushing hard on 3 of em. If an ego is that fragile (or more fragile than a regular 510 battery) I would be highly surprised.

Oh, well. chalk it up to my being new at this. I'm trying to learn as much as I can and follow all the rules right now. I'm sure I'll find out which ones I can mess with as time goes on. All I know is that I don't smoke burning tobacco anymore! Can't believe that I used to love the taste of my ciggies!
 

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The performance of the 1.5s is just "OK" at 3.7 volts. You have the benefit of a LR without the possibility of that nasty burn taste in your mouth: another benefit even at 3.7 volts.

These dual coils really shine though at 4 volts +. The 3.2 volts that an ego puts out is just not quite enough to really show their potential. A true 3.7 volt mod with IMRs just opens the door, a VV mod with no amp cut off point will blow your mind. Sad part of VV mods was the fact that with a lot of attys and cartos, you couldn't crank them up anyways: juice just burned. We spend a ton of money on VV, just to be limited by the selection of cartos and attys out there. Dual coils opened the world of vaping to some new experiences, not just the samo samo. But at 3.2 volts on an ego, your missing out on something really spectacular.

I know a lot of people hate to spend money on mods. If that ego works, then hell yah. For those out there struggling with the transfer to vaping, remember there are options out there. Yes, they cost a chunk of money, but I never have stressed about what I spend on mods, as I never stressed about the $150 a week I spent on cigs, nor did I fret over the trips to the doctor's office with my lungs burnt up 2 times a year. Let that ego show you that vaping is an honest alternative to smoking, then let the mods of your dreams carry you the rest of the way as the years pass.

Never put a pricetag on being smoke free, we all are going to pay one way or the other. I prefer my money goes to some guy putting his heart and soul into a little dream vape machine, rather then a down payment on another BMW for a doctor.

Very well put, Stownz! I like the way you think.
 

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Wow. Someone would really have to want them bad to pay $3.50 each

The carto in question at Nhaler has a Black Delrin Drip Tip included with each one...

A tip I've seen priced from $4 to $7 elsewhere....

Maybe not for everyone but they decided to stock some with that config and see how they do. For now, it's a unique way to get them. Buy a carto and get a free drip tip...or buy a drip tip and get a free carto...however ya wanna look at it ;)
 
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Actually it's the other way round...
Two 4 ohm coils in parallel would be 2 Ohms total resistance and pull something like 2 amps at 3.7v. Total watts at 3.7v would be a little over 7w...but since it's spread over two high resitance coils...each coil is putting out something between 3 and 4 watts each.

So...at 3.7v...a 2 Ohm dualie is going to feel 'cool', but it does put out twice as much vape as a single 4 Ohm coil. That is...if your battery can actually dump the amps to get them going properly.

If each coil were only 1 Ohms in parallel, it would be .5 total resistance. Make sense?

Now...I'm not sure 'exactly' how dualies work....that's just as I understand it. It's possible they might have lower resistance coils and 'pulse' or 'alternate' the current among the two somehow (with a crystal?). In that case...I'm guessing each coil would be closer to whatever the carto is actually rated overall.

I kind of doubt they'd run two 1 Ohm coils in a series...that's just like having a single coil that's twice as long, maybe with fewer wraps, but by splitting it into 'two in a series', seems like it would just require more parts and production steps and add things to go wrong/add expense with no real advantage. The wire (nichrome?) would probably be awfully thin to be that long and only offer 2 Ohms resistance, and wouldn't last very long as a vaporizer.

Keep in mind that an eGo battery is going to put out more like 3.4v under load. It's not going to drive the dualies very well....maybe even under 3 watts per coil. They'll work...but not all that well...and not for very long before you'll need to recharge.

If you really want to rock these on a budget...get a good 5v USB passthrough with a good 3amp switch on it. Make sure you run it off a USB power source that's rated to dump up to 3 amps of current. You should be able to find such a passthrough device for under $30 if ya shop around.

Or get a mod that at least uses 3.7v IMR High Drain batteries. Better yet shoot for 5/6v mods.

E-Power 3.7v kits are under $50 now...and matches up with the 1.5 or 1.25 dualies right nicely. I think they'll take 14500 or 14650 sized batteries...the kits come with a pair and charger. Lots of vendors carry them now...MadVapes, Hoosiers, GotVapes, etc...all priced in the same ball parik.

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated....
 

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I wish more places had the 2.0 and 2.5s. I've only found those two places. If you find somewhere, let us know.

Price will come down on the other ohms as well. Suppliers just have to request them made that way. Some suppliers just want to cash in on what everyone else is selling, some want to just rebrand another ohm version of the same thing and profit, and some just want to give vapors what they want. Be a bit patient and wait on those bad ... vendors that just like to stock great stuff.

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I ordered ten 1.5 ohm dual coil smoketech cartos. They are pretty good (I use them on my provari at around 3.7 volts).

Ive used 2 cartos now and just started on my third so enough that I can form a decent opinion.

First is performance. They are good. Better than the Boge (Ive tried Boge low resistance and regular resistances) or any other carto Ive seen on the market. The only exception is the CE2 ON THE INITIAL FILL (once you refill a CE2, its crap). This likely invalidates my opinion but I really do think the CE2s perform well on their first fill.

One of the first things I noticed is, they hold a decent amount of liquid. I fill 2-3 times a day with about 40 drops each fill so this is a huge plus.

I did some experimenting on the ever popular but often misused and misunderstood 'throat hit'. Using nicotine free, low nicotine (8), medium (16), high (24) and extra high (36) I get that usual burning/tingling sensation starting with the low nicotine content and with the extra high, its insane. You will have no problems with this. However (this was the first time I tried 0 nicotine content), 0 nicotine provides absolutely no throat hit whatsoever. This lead to a discovery, the nicotine causes the throat hit, NOT the device(s) involved. Maybe other people have already discovered this, but I had not.

Vapor production is pretty good. Not the best Ive seen but better than most (including the Boge).

Where these really shine is flavor and this is where one of the drawbacks of these come into play. You can crank the heat on these things and they become too much for me but still maintain the flavor. As I said, I use a Provari and the highest I can set these to is 3.9 volts (anything higher the provari goes into a protected mode, not allowing you to vape until you lower the voltage - supposed to help protect your atties). At 3.9 volts, its hella hot. Too hot for me. I dropped the voltage down to 3.7 and its just fine there.

Now the drawback I mentioned, its really hard to tell when these things are ready for another fill because they seem to hold their flavor so well. Unlike other cartos, there is a distinct flavor that immediately kicks in when it needs to be filled. These do not have that.

The second drawback is, the tips these come with are pure garbage. If you press the mouthpiece down to the point that it sort of snaps in, you get hardly any vapor and on a fresh fill, a mouth full of liquid. If you pull out the mouthpiece enough to get vapor production, the mouthpiece is then so loose that simply turning the device upside down causes the mouthpiece to fall out.

The solution is to simply take the mouthpiece off. They are plenty vapable without any sort of mouthpiece. They dont spit (at least mine havent yet). They do 'pop' but all that seems to be is like a bubble blown with gum that has popped in your mouth,

They are easy to fill. Simply take the mouthpiece / driptip off and drip 5 drops of fluid down the inside of the tube. Rotate 45 degrees and drip another 5 drops down the side. Repeat for two full rotations and wait about 30-60 seconds for the liquid to drain to the bottom of the carto. You can pretty easily tell when they are fully filled if you order the clear ones (which I have). Takes probably about 60 seconds to fill, another 30 to wait, and then looking inside the tube, you can clearly see the parts of the polyfill that are dry and I usually will add two drops to that side of the carto to make sure the whole thing is wet.

Oddly, the key indication that it is time to replace these is not the usual indication that cartos often give (which is usually that the polyfill begins to hold less and less liquid). What happens with these is two things. The bottom of the polyfill begins to darken (ive been vaping a clear, caramel tobacco flavor so it isnt my juice doing this) and it begins to spit just a little bit. So as soon as it starts to spit (only seems to do this on a fresh fill after having been filled 10+ times), I replace it (Ill finish that fill however so that Im not wasting any fluid).

They seem to last about 4 days doing 3 refills a day and that is pushing it maybe 1 or 2 fills more than I should.

Considering they hold about 4 times the amount of a Boge and seem to last 4 days instead of the usual day that a Boge lasts, I would say, right now these are the best thing out there (and I have tried ALOT of cartos/tank systems).

These perhaps may be something I can live with. Not perfect but I can live with them. Good performance, long lasting for the price (I will have gone thru 3 in 2 weeks), and they hold a reasonable amount of juice. Pretty much everything we are looking for in a carto. Now if only they had a mouthpiece that worked... Ill have to scrounge around for my drip tip....
 
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