I'm boring enough that the gubm'nt rep listening to my calls is gonna get a nice nap 
(yes, it's very disturbing)
(yes, it's very disturbing)
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They're not listening to the calls (well, according to that article). They are tracking connections...phone numbers.
As for me...Meh.
As for me...Meh.
Personal Privacy is a pet peeve of mine ... folks are way too trusting in that regard in my opinion. When you have insurance companies pouring over shopping data they compiled on their policy holders and then making suggestions as to what they should or shouldn't be buying, well, that's gone too far in my book. As far as the phone data goes, they can say anything they want because there is absolutely zero oversight ... they can do whatever they want with it and we would have no way of knowing one way or the other.
they're not listening unless the connections are "suspect"... but i bet they start listening then. They may have to get another warrant, but i wouldn't be at all surprised if the branch of the judiciary overseeing this kind of stuff gives out warrants pretty easily
I agree Haze. I think they try to say that it's not an invasion, since they look at the data in aggregate, not by individual. BUT, considering that it was pretty easy to reconstruct individual data about supposedly anonymous dna info that is available to some researchers, i don't really buy that argument.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1000167
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1000167
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NGA...I agree. In particular with concerns over PRIVATE companies having so much information. I think it's...even worse...than government. The government, police and courts are trusted entities setup by society. I know people don't trust them, and the USA has a rather noble history of distrust in that regard. However, they can be held accountable and can even do some good with the information. It's a sacred trust. Probably abused, of course. I'm not fond of it either. However, we may very well need it. IDK how many lives have been saved already. And there's no proof yet that it is leading to BAD results. It should be monitored.
Private companies...OTOH...should NOT have access to all this crap. Period.
Private companies...OTOH...should NOT have access to all this crap. Period.
Exactly! They may obtain the data in aggregate form but somehow they are managing to identify down to the individual. I saw a report where some policyholders of a particular insurance company had been sent a letter/email telling them that they should cut back on the amount of red meat and/or the booze they were consuming! I could not believe it!
I was being optimistic....
(I edited my post above to add a link to an article that talks about the identification of individual DNA from the aggregate)
I don't buy, for a second, that they are looking at phone records in aggregate CES. They are tracking a network of calls, like you would trace a thought pattern through neurons with an MRI. They are looking at it person-by-person, and mapping calls for those that they are interested in.
But....so what?
But....so what?
The real concern, is the "6 degrees of separation" thing....like the Kevin Bacon game.
Yep! Totally with you on the private companies ... they will sell that data to everyone and anyone who has the bucks.
Right, I'm not saying it's all bad, some of it is probably necessary. I just think there has to be some clearly defined boundaries established and today that really hasn't been done. I hope I'm not sounding like an alarmist, I'm really not. I'm more of a concernist!
I was referring more to Haze's comment about tracking of data by private companies, not so much the verizon stuff. With verizon, i get that they're looking at network activity, and have the ability and 'permission' to pinpoint individuals within that activity.
It makes me nervous....because there is a possibility of false accusations based on bad algorithms, or the potential to misuse the data for political or personal gain. It also reminds me a little bit of the brouhaha about libraries being forced to secretly report patron usage patterns.
Besides, i may be boring, but it's no one's business who i talk to on the phone- even if privacy is an illusion (as i type my opinion on the web for all to see...the lounge may be closed / not indexed but i doubt it's truly private)
I always hope I'm right
I was referring more to Haze's comment about tracking of data by private companies, not so much the verizon stuff. With verizon, i get that they're looking at network activity, and have the ability and 'permission' to pinpoint individuals within that activity.
It makes me nervous....because there is a possibility of false accusations based on bad algorithms, or the potential to misuse the data for political or personal gain. It also reminds me a little bit of the brouhaha about libraries being forced to secretly report patron usage patterns.
Besides, i may be boring, but it's no one's business who i talk to on the phone- even if privacy is an illusion (as i type my opinion on the web for all to see...the lounge may be closed / not indexed but i doubt it's truly private)
I always hope I'm right
LOL! Well said CES!
Exactly the reason I don't have a FB account. I could not believe that it was deemed legal for a potential employer to ask for your FB account information so they could nose around and decide if you were fit to be their employee. That stuff is outside the boundaries in my opinion and shouldn't be subject to scrutiny by employers ... obviously the government thinks differently.
Got my Wave Petunias planted. It was a lot easier than the weed cutting yesterday.
Good morning, Snails.
As for the Verizon/FBI thing. It's an outrage, they are using the excuse of searching for terrorists as a reason to spy on us? That is not what America is all about.
As for the Verizon/FBI thing. It's an outrage, they are using the excuse of searching for terrorists as a reason to spy on us? That is not what America is all about.
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