So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude
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Interesting responses. I totally agree that most ECF members are polite and helpful. And I have no problem at all with people suggesting different options. The problem is that there is a minority that seems to think that there is something wrong with being satisfied with an MVP and some clearos, something wrong with buying juice and coils and putting the time and effort into other things.
It is one thing to say "you might be happier trying to use a kayfun" and another thing entirely to say "just get a Kayfun" in response to someone who is having a problem with what they have. And the best response is trying to help troubleshoot the problem they are having.
I'm not criticizing the majority of ECF posters, I'm just suggesting that the best way to be helpful is to answer the question asked, suggest other options that might be appropriate, and not be condescending about other people's choices.
It is one thing to say "you might be happier trying to use a kayfun" and another thing entirely to say "just get a Kayfun" in response to someone who is having a problem with what they have. And the best response is trying to help troubleshoot the problem they are having.
I'm not criticizing the majority of ECF posters, I'm just suggesting that the best way to be helpful is to answer the question asked, suggest other options that might be appropriate, and not be condescending about other people's choices.
I agree it's about sharing info and no one is cramping anything goes down anyone's throat like op makes it sound. I welcome conversation I don't know about personally, this way I will learn. If I want to go farther and try it I will, if not, no big deal. Why is op so offended about certain conversation I do not understand. I came from using a blu and learned so much from these wonderful people I now make my own juice, wind my own coils and I have a few mods. Latest is a DNA. But I owe every bit to others helping me out and teaching and suggesting. I was miserable with the blu, now thanks to everyone who's helped me I'm happy. That's what it's all about. If someone is happy with a ego that's great but for those who want to learn and want more they should be able to discuss advanced subjects.
AMEN!!!!!!!
One of my biggest vaping pet peaves is when people try to coerce me to get into Dripping; and worse, tell me the million things my mod won't do. I don't give a doggy diaper! It does the one thing I want it to do and it does it really well. Same goes for any of the gear out there!
You can start vaping for as little as ten bucks now or, you can go out and spend a couple grand on a rig. Both of them operate on the same principal and both are electronic nicotine delivery systems. It really boils down to; how do you wanted nic?!
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Trying to be nice and encoutaging certainly doesnt go over well with you, does it?
Yah, you need a break.
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Your post did not read as nice an encouraging. It read as a thinly veiled "Grow a thicker skin" type of post. WHich is not nice at all.
If you meant it to be nice then I apologize if not well my other words stand.
It certainly was meant nicely.
In turn, I apologize if my post came across badly. Thats one of the problems of this sort of communication.
Nuance can easily be lost.
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In turn, I apologize if my post came across badly. Thats one of the problems of this sort of communication.
Nuance can easily be lost.
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I'd say this thread is directed at less than 1% of the ECF population. There's a couple folks who get a little too passionate about things but that usually makes for an entertaining thread. Seems like there's more of a problem with certain people suggesting what NOT to buy....ahem...provari. Everybody makes suggestions about what works for them. There's a good group of people here...always willing to help.
You're right about the fact that it is very few people stearing others away from certain things.
I'm just glad I did my due diligence on the research side of APVs and figured out what I wanted out of one before I made a purchase.
Had I listened to everyone that thinks they know what I want I never would have gotten my provari. And in my case, for what I want out of an APV; it's perfect. But again it's perfect for me, may not be for other people. Goes to show looking for non-biased information still has value.
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The only problem I have is with rebuilding. I have seen posters say that they aren't interested in it, aren't interested in it right now, can't do because of their hands, etc. Others will reply "if I can do it so can you" and more of the same. Please don't push it when it's been posted that the person just interested in it. Also, I think that a person knows their own hands/fingers and what they can and can't do. There are people that have arthritic hands that make it impossible to do rebuilding. Accept it and maybe recommend a good clearo or tank.
I think it's funny that some people that rebuild think everyone should rebuild.
It's not hard they say.
It saves money they say.
I don't care.
I'm going to play devils advocate here.
I'm an electrical engineer and mess with electronics, boards, wires, the whole 9 on a daily basis. The last thing I wanted to do was turn my vaping hobby into work. I tried every tank system out there that was prebuilt. Evods, PTs, aeros, nautilus: until I finally fell into peer pressure and got a KFL clone- someone sold me a second hand black edition clone for an unbeatable price. While I would NEVER try to "push" or "sell" someone on any hardware; I will advise them that it's lore beneficial financially long term, the coil building is easy, the rewicking is child's play and the flavor is exponentially better.
But I look for phrases like; "I would but I'm not sure I can" this tells me they want to but they are scared by the concept of it. I'll try and get them to calm down as I know in the long run they will be happier. If they say something to the effect of I like what I have now I don't want to. Well, ok you've said your piece I'm glad you're happy- case closed I won't say a thing other then maybe tell them a more affordable place to buy replacement heads.
But if someone is on a KFL thread you have to wonder if they are researching because they are curious about the idea and toying with doing an
RBA. You don't go to the pound to look at puppies without wanting a puppy.
I guess what I'm trying to say is sometimes the defeatist attitude is a sign that they really want to; but, need some encouragement. Speaking from my own experience there.
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I want a Galápagos tortoise. They can live to be 170 or more, so no worries about losing one ...
*shrug* I find it an easy way to weed out the exceptionally small percentage of ECF members I don't want to hear from ever again. I see a post that's overly preachy or condescending, and I know to avoid that person's threads and posts. Real simple.
I think the encouragement to move into mods and drippers and rebuilding, or specific devices, or whatever, is an extension of the joyful evangelizing you see a lot of in the vaping community. We've found something that helped us quit smoking, one of the most difficult things for a twenty-first century human being to accomplish. Having found it, and reaped the benefits, we want to share them; we see smokers and think "how can I get that person into vaping?"
Those who have found a setup or technique that takes vaping to the next level for them very naturally want to continue evangelizing. We all, for the most part, followed some version of the vaping progression: cigalikes, ego, VV, VV/VW, mech. In between all that is a variety of tanks/cartos/clearos/RBA/RDA/RTA/'genny'/etc. We all find our sweet spot, and in the process we play with a LOT of gear. Those who have latched on to one particular style, or brand, are naturally inclined to share that in the hopes that their fellow vaper will have the same success in his or her journey. We ALL know how easy it is to 'backslide' into cigarettes, so we try to help our fellow reformed smokers find the thing that will keep them away from the analogs.
When reading the 'you MUST try the <insert brand name or equipment style here>, viewing it from that lens, and coupling it with a bit of leeway for the limited capacity of the internet to convey intent through text, will make a lot of those posts seem a lot less obnoxious.
I myself just pulled the trigger on a Magneto, an IGO-W and a Kayfun clone, having successfully ventured into rebuilding my Aerotank heads. If I like them when they arrive, I will share it. If I don't, I will likely share that too. The decisions I made on what to buy were absolutely influenced by feedback on this forum and a few YouTube reviewers I've grown to trust. If there weren't the dozens of "buy this, not that" threads, I would have had a lot harder time deciding, and likely went by price-point alone; that can lead to some real steals and also some real buyer's remorse. I'll gladly accept the occasional overly smug brand-junkie in exchange for the volumes of valuable peer feedback on products I'm considering spending my money on.
I think the encouragement to move into mods and drippers and rebuilding, or specific devices, or whatever, is an extension of the joyful evangelizing you see a lot of in the vaping community. We've found something that helped us quit smoking, one of the most difficult things for a twenty-first century human being to accomplish. Having found it, and reaped the benefits, we want to share them; we see smokers and think "how can I get that person into vaping?"
Those who have found a setup or technique that takes vaping to the next level for them very naturally want to continue evangelizing. We all, for the most part, followed some version of the vaping progression: cigalikes, ego, VV, VV/VW, mech. In between all that is a variety of tanks/cartos/clearos/RBA/RDA/RTA/'genny'/etc. We all find our sweet spot, and in the process we play with a LOT of gear. Those who have latched on to one particular style, or brand, are naturally inclined to share that in the hopes that their fellow vaper will have the same success in his or her journey. We ALL know how easy it is to 'backslide' into cigarettes, so we try to help our fellow reformed smokers find the thing that will keep them away from the analogs.
When reading the 'you MUST try the <insert brand name or equipment style here>, viewing it from that lens, and coupling it with a bit of leeway for the limited capacity of the internet to convey intent through text, will make a lot of those posts seem a lot less obnoxious.
I myself just pulled the trigger on a Magneto, an IGO-W and a Kayfun clone, having successfully ventured into rebuilding my Aerotank heads. If I like them when they arrive, I will share it. If I don't, I will likely share that too. The decisions I made on what to buy were absolutely influenced by feedback on this forum and a few YouTube reviewers I've grown to trust. If there weren't the dozens of "buy this, not that" threads, I would have had a lot harder time deciding, and likely went by price-point alone; that can lead to some real steals and also some real buyer's remorse. I'll gladly accept the occasional overly smug brand-junkie in exchange for the volumes of valuable peer feedback on products I'm considering spending my money on.
I like to goof around with coil designs every now and then, but mostly I rebuild because it's so damn cheap. Same reason I make my own juices. There's nothing terribly challenging or rewarding about making low-tech heating resistors or mixing liquids. If I had the money, I'd much rather have Jeeves recoil and refill my tanks for me.
I don't know why anyone would worry about what other people think they should be doing.
I've been vaping almost 2 years and am going "backwards" in technology.
The smaller the better and I am using what newbies use, after owning Provaris, etc.
I had that goal though, not wanting vaping to take up much of my life or my wallet. I'll be on zero nic on July 1st.
I do get a big laugh when somebody suggests a sub ohm kit, high end rebuildable, or $350 investment to a newbie who doesn't even know what they will like yet though.
That is what happens if you don't do your own research after people give you "advice" though.
I've been vaping almost 2 years and am going "backwards" in technology.
The smaller the better and I am using what newbies use, after owning Provaris, etc.
I had that goal though, not wanting vaping to take up much of my life or my wallet. I'll be on zero nic on July 1st.
I do get a big laugh when somebody suggests a sub ohm kit, high end rebuildable, or $350 investment to a newbie who doesn't even know what they will like yet though.
That is what happens if you don't do your own research after people give you "advice" though.
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The closest I have come to recommending rebuilding to a newbie is recommending they stick their spent protank heads in a baggie in case they decide to rebuild them farther on down the road. If they never decide to rebuild the bag can get tossed or passed on to other folk who do rebuild.
I just love my ego it does the job for me i cant afford expensive devices and my ego is good for me nice and simple
Sometimes I just pretend to have a high-end device so people will look up to me. (Anonymous)
This is what I don't understand.
Do people really feel either way about vape gear? Surely to GOD no one thinks that they are superior because they have such and such setup.......and vice versa of course
I have nice stuff, and if anything I think that I am a little stupid for having spent what I have. I like it, but still.
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