So, Halo juice must be top notch huh?

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ShannonA

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I've never tried/heard of Vermillion River, thanks for the heads up. I think Johnson Creek is also similar to Halo, in terms of spending more on development, creating complex, unique flavors, releasing them only after they meet a certain criteria. Theirs are stronger, more tobacco-esque (usually), and though they are good, not what I want to vape all day. They are usually darker too, not as clean as Halo, but I don't think it is for lack of time and money spent on development, I think it might be the concentration of flavors needed to get the smokier tobacco flavors.

If you give them a shot get the sample for shipping... they sent me another sample with it and I think you can order 3 more sample size without raising the shipping price (its there on the site). The shipping is 2.50 and they are registered on ECF too.

JC seems to be a love them or hate them vendor. I haven't tried them yet. I'm sure I'll get around to it but I think my next target once I start trying flavors again is going to be KBV.

Right now I'm going to try to build an inventory of what I like so far and save up for the echos.
 

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I don't care for any of there juices...sorry too much hype and was really disappointed when I bought some.

But this could be said of ANY juice. Not every flavor will work for everyone. Without explanation of why you didn't like them and what flavors you tried your post is pointless.

You basically hopped into this thread and said Halo sucks, bye!
 

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But this could be said of ANY juice. Not every flavor will work for everyone. Without explanation of why you didn't like them and what flavors you tried your post is pointless.

You basically hopped into this thread and said Halo sucks, bye!

Maybe. At least hairball tried them, before deciding that they can't possibly be worth the price.

Not liking a given flavor or line of flavors is a legitimate reason not not to buy them. Assuming that because they are more expensive compared to a lower quality product (in terms of what was spent to develop it), that they must be a ripoff, that's just plain ignorant.

I've yet to try a Mercedes Benz, or a Jaguar, but I wouldn't claim that just because my KIA cost 1/8 the price of one of those, that those two aren't worth what they cost. LOL.

I'm vaping Halo Tribeca at the moment because my brother let me fill a clearomizer with his. Otherwise I'd be dripping walmart VG on my atty, no flavor, no nic... because I got no money - but I still know that there is good reason Halo juices cost what they do, and I'm willing to pay for them when I can. Even if I didn't like their flavors, I still couldn't criticize their price, knowing the lengths Halo went to to develop them, versus another supplier mixing readily available candystore flavoring with nic juice and PG/VG.
 

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I agree that not liking a flavor is a VERY good reason not to buy it. That was not my point.

I was saying that posting in a thread about whether juice from a particular vendor is worth the money that you tried them and didn't like them is pointless, for the most part. The OP does not know which juices the individual tried or why she didn't like them. It could be that she doesn't like tobacco based juices. It could be she thought they were all perfume-y. Or it could be that she just didn't like the flavor and YMMV.

Without something to go with the "I didn't like them" I think such a post is a waste of time to both the poster and reader.

But, and I admit this freely, that is just my opinion.
 

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Even if I didn't like their flavors, I still couldn't criticize their price, knowing the lengths Halo went to to develop them, versus another supplier mixing readily available candystore flavoring with nic juice and PG/VG.

Backwoods Brew--Real tobacco extraction--approximately 65 cents/ml
Vaperite--Organic flavors and in-house tobacco extraction--same
Want2Vape--Real tobacco extraction--same

Other vendors than Halo are bringing artisan quality juices to the marketplace for far less. It's not just a comparison against China juices and FSUSA.
 

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I agree that not liking a flavor is a VERY good reason not to buy it. That was not my point.

I was saying that posting in a thread about whether juice from a particular vendor is worth the money that you tried them and didn't like them is pointless, for the most part. The OP does not know which juices the individual tried or why she didn't like them. It could be that she doesn't like tobacco based juices. It could be she thought they were all perfume-y. Or it could be that she just didn't like the flavor and YMMV.

Without something to go with the "I didn't like them" I think such a post is a waste of time to both the poster and reader.

But, and I admit this freely, that is just my opinion.

I don't think its pointless at all that's what makes this forum work so well. People express their opinions regardless of what they are and the people asking the advice weigh the opinions they get.

An "I dont like it" is as valuable as an "I think its great"... especially for people like me who have become familiar with certain members and have an idea how their tastes line up with my own. If Hairball doesn't like a given juice chances are pretty high I won't like it either.

Will that keep me from trying it? Doubtful but it will keep me from chancing a big order until I've found out for myself.
 

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Sigh

Please reread my post.

I did not say that saying you don't like something is invalid or pointless.

Let me say it this way:

Saying just, "I like it" OR Saying just, "I don't like it" = Mostly Pointless

The details are the actionable part. You telling me that you didn't like it without why would be meaningless to me. Equally, you telling me this thing is awesome and nothing else would not entice me to buy it.

Unless someone is running a poll a vote of yes or no doesn't mean a whole lot.
 

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Sigh

Please reread my post.

I did not say that saying you don't like something is invalid or pointless.

Let me say it this way:

Saying just, "I like it" OR Saying just, "I don't like it" = Mostly Pointless

The details are the actionable part. You telling me that you didn't like it without why would be meaningless to me. Equally, you telling me this thing is awesome and nothing else would not entice me to buy it.

Unless someone is running a poll a vote of yes or no doesn't mean a whole lot.

Pardon me I'm at the end of a very long day. I'm not absorbing as well as I normally would... your 1st comment seemed a bit snappy to me.
 

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Backwoods Brew--Real tobacco extraction--approximately 65 cents/ml
Vaperite--Organic flavors and in-house tobacco extraction--same
Want2Vape--Real tobacco extraction--same

Other vendors than Halo are bringing artisan quality juices to the marketplace for far less. It's not just a comparison against China juices and FSUSA.

I agree that Halo juice is more expensive that the others you list, but your math is off. I will break it down by the largest size available for each vendor.

Backwoods Brew: .55/mL
Vaperite: .61/mL (They do offer juice as high as .72/mL in the Organic line)
Want2Vape: .57/mL
Halo: .67/mL

Basically, you pay 20.9% more for a 30mL bottle of Halo than you do for BWB, or .12/mL or $3.45. You do get a spiffy cobalt blue bottle with dripper... :laugh:
 
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CapableVapable

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I agree that Halo juice is more expensive that the others you list, but your math is off. I will break it down by the largest size available for each vendor.

Backwoods Brew: .55/mL
Vaperite: .61/mL (They do offer juice as high as .72/mL in the Organic line)
Want2Vape: .57/mL
Halo: .67/mL

Basically, you pay 20.9% more for a 30mL bottle of Halo than you do for BWB, or .12/mL or $3.45. You do get a spiffy cobalt blue bottle with dripper... :laugh:

Well, my math isn't off, you just chose the largest size instead of the smallest.
 

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Backwoods Brew--Real tobacco extraction--approximately 65 cents/ml
Vaperite--Organic flavors and in-house tobacco extraction--same
Want2Vape--Real tobacco extraction--same

Other vendors than Halo are bringing artisan quality juices to the marketplace for far less. It's not just a comparison against China juices and FSUSA.

Halo is a step above artisan quality, IMO, without regard to flavor, and only with regard to development. Other artisans don't develop their own flavors with the help of a professional chemist on staff (remembering what Johnny Blaze once told me, whether it was in an ECF thread, on his site, or in an email - I can't remember which). Their cost is only slightly higher than the 'artisan quality' juices.

I'm not sure that in-house tobacco extraction, flavor extraction from tobacco, not nicotine extraction, is anything to brag about. IMO, that can only lead to a juice with a higher concentration of impurities that will at the very least bung up people's atomizers.

In house pure nicotine extraction would be a good thing, but I don't believe that any U.S. vendor is doing that.

The last thing I want to vape is some brown goo that was made from tobacco and tastes like tobacco. Even though most Halo liquids are "tobacco" flavors, they don't taste like tobacco (except bella) to me, if they did, I wouldn't vape them.

In the end the only thing that matters is that the vaper likes the flavor of what he/she is vaping, so for those that want something that tastes like tobacco then those other juice makers might be a good fit.

None of the vendors you mention are bringing juices to the marketplace for "far less" than Halo, like Gardner808 pointed out, it is a 21% difference in price, and it comes in a glass bottle. None of the vendors you mentioned can re-create the complex and unique flavors of Halo, though I'm sure to those that enjoy their flavors, those flavors are complex and unique, and not like the candystore flavors from China and FSUSA.

There's also nothing wrong with candystore flavors, when you feel like vaping a simple candylike flavor.

There's nothing wrong with artisan flavors, if you like the flavor the artisan is producing.

Sometimes I like to eat steak, sometimes I like to eat a microwave burrito - and everything in between.
 
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