So I could turn out to be full of it here.

[dc99]

But Coke is better.

They both s..., MtDew rules

 

[Skunk!]

They both s..., MtDew rules

I learned not to argue that one from my wife lol

 

[Skeebo]

HAHA. There sure has been very strong disagreement and that is all good until someone implies someone else is stupid or wrong because they would have done it differently. I applaud the OP for going out of his comfort zone, taking us all with him, and lastly putting up with abuse from others pretty well. I probably would not have been as nice.

Yeah I got to hand it to bombastinator, he's a better man than me. I would have never admitted to not realizing the "tech" video was a spoof. Even though I realized it was a fake rather quickly, I still didn't want to rub it in his face. I have to admit though, the Ni-chrome flib was kind of funny.

 

[bombastinator]

How, exactly, were you showing us the danger?

Your original post begins by stating that you wanted to find out if tenth-ohm coils at 90+ watts and massive coils are the best flavor experience. It did not say anywhere that your interest or intent was in showing how dangerous it is -- and your "results" in that post do not mention danger either, just some improvement in flavor at the cost of battery and juice consumption.

I guess I'm just confused.

That’s why the thread title is what it is.
The general opinion on super sub oh on mechs is
A: it’s dangerous as hell
B: there’s no point at all in doing it in the first place.

A: still true.
The coils were marked and read 0.10 ohm initially. In practice they varied between .06 and .14 semi randomly. On a device that starts at O.2-0.3 that’s annoying but not a gigantic deal. With 0.1 though it’s enough to blow a battery on a mech. The only reason my VV mod even fired them was apparently it happened to be one of only a couple VV mods made that was even capable of doing it. That was dumb luck. I don’t trust dumb luck and was so put off I actually quit the thing early out of fear.

B: Not quite true.
I was quite surprised by this. I expected no real flavor improvement at all. The flavor improvement wasn’t near what some folks were claiming, but it was there.
This apparently also wasn’t even news. A few highly knowledgeable folks mentioned that an attempt had been made to solve this issue called a “radiator” coil, which is basically a giganticly long outsized MTL coil well over an ohm. I’ve got one in the device now and they’re right. The big boy coils were pulling a bit over 10v, but the radiator is pulling ~6.5v @2 ohms and 23w. Still needs a 2 battery mod, but the battery life should double. The clouds are every iota as huge, and the flavor is competitive with the big boy. The difference is the vape is a lot coole and I can actually take a full drag.
The problem is that the things are apparently nearly impossible to rewick. Gonna find that out one way or another fairly soon. It was a PITA to even install though, so I believe it.

 

[Eskie]

But Coke is better.

I totally agree!

But I found if I set my refrigerator right between 6 and 7 instead of 5, Pepsi does seem to peek up with a light nutty flavor I missed before.

 

[bombastinator]

The goal of using multiple coils in an RBA isn't necessarily always about that. I find that a dual coil configuration usually can help to make it easier to achieve a cooler vape, without having to sacrifice on vapor production that is, whether you prefer this or not.

I find I do. The radiator coil is great. Cooler than the big boy which wasn’t very. Thing had an enormously long cool down too. When I dry burned and then washed it the thing would still crackle for a good ten seconds or more.

 

[bombastinator]

They both s..., MtDew rules

I read something about Mountain Dew being the only soda to still contain some nasty ingredient or other because it improves the “pearl” which is something to do with the bubbles. It’s why people who drink huge amounts of it damage their stomachs.

 

[TrollDragon]

I decided to build a few to try em. Screw rewicking the things are like finger slinkys. they’re nearly impossible to get into the posts. They do work though the vape seems to be too cool.

I twist one end of the wires together then wrap, pull each wire tight and then twist up the other end. Easier to feed them into the posts that way.

Boden used ceramic rods to work out the hot spots, easy to keep the loops in line when you can glow them held in place.

 

[bombastinator]

The only dumb behavior here is hidden in the fact you are once again making all sorts of ridiculous conclusions about all the things you know squat about because you simply never tried them. All dumb talk and no hands-on experience even in the slightest, in cohort with calling other people dumb, typically in addition to that, as was to be expected of course.

...vapentime?? Is that you?...
Actually I agree to some extent, which is why I did this. Knowing something academically and by direct experience are different. I saw a way to get direct experience without the danger so I took it.
Some things are just too stupid to even try and vaping a super subohm mech is one of them though.

This is why the assumption that nicotine damages developing brains is still valid enough to be followed even though the testing on it is minimal and the evidence is a bit weak.
To find out you’d have to do human trials on children, and doing that even close to ethically is nearly impossible in this case. It may eventually happen though a perfect storm of test subjects but until then we pretend it’s true anyway because the alternative is unacceptable. I’m totally willing to do that. You don’t give possibly dangerous drugs to kids so you can find out how dangerous they are unless you’re a Nazi or something. The US Nazi count has been going up lately though I understand.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

That’s why the thread title is what it is.
The general opinion on super sub oh on mechs is
A: it’s dangerous as hell
B: there’s no point at all in doing it in the first place.

A: still true.
The coils were marked and read 0.10 ohm initially. In practice they varied between .06 and .14 semi randomly. On a device that starts at O.2-0.3 that’s annoying but not a gigantic deal. With 0.1 though it’s enough to blow a battery on a mech. The only reason my VV mod even fired them was apparently it happened to be one of only a couple VV mods made that was even capable of doing it. That was dumb luck. I don’t trust dumb luck and was so put off I actually quit the thing early out of fear.

B: Not quite true.
I was quite surprised by this. I expected no real flavor improvement at all. The flavor improvement wasn’t near what some folks were claiming, but it was there.
This apparently also wasn’t even news. A few highly knowledgeable folks mentioned that an attempt had been made to solve this issue called a “radiator” coil, which is basically a giganticly long outsized MTL coil well over an ohm. I’ve got one in the device now and they’re right. The big boy coils were pulling a bit over 10v, but the radiator is pulling ~6.5v @2 ohms and 23w. Still needs a 2 battery mod, but the battery life should double. The clouds are every iota as huge, and the flavor is competitive with the big boy. The difference is the vape is a lot coole and I can actually take a full drag.
The problem is that the things are apparently nearly impossible to rewick. Gonna find that out one way or another fairly soon. It was a PITA to even install though, so I believe it.

You lost me here. Outside a certain individuals comments, how did mech’s come into the equation? I thought your initial test was conducted on a variable wattage device, in which resistance is somewhat irrelevant as long as you are within the device’s limitations.

Never seen a “radiator” coil – do you have a link?

 

[bombastinator]

I twist one end of the wires together then wrap, pull each wire tight and then twist up the other end. Easier to feed them into the posts that way.

Boden used ceramic rods to work out the hot spots, easy to keep the loops in line when you can glow them held in place.

I didn’t go full on boden. I did it spaced coil single wire single coil with slightly thicker wire. Still a good vape imho though.

The issue was with the SS. Basically I made a long spring. The ends didn’t want to point where I needed them to. I had to wrestle them into place with tweezers and I didn’t really have enough hands for the job.

 

[bombastinator]

You lost me here. Outside a certain individuals comments, how did mech’s come into the equation?

That was it. He wasn’t the only individual though. I’d fielded 3 or 4 in the last few days.

I thought your initial test was conducted on a variable wattage device, in which resistance is somewhat irrelevant as long as you are within the device’s limitations.

. Exactly! The point was to simulate a mech without actually using one. I’m not going to put a super subohm mech in my face thankyouverymuch

Never seen a “radiator” coil – do you have a link?

There’s a pic in the thread. It’s much nicer than mine, which is decidedly ugly and half assed looking.
The pic looks like a standard double coil until you count the wraps.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

That was it. He wasn’t the only individual though. I’d fielded 3 or 4 in the last few days.
. Exactly! The point was to simulate a mech without actually using one. I’m not going to put a super subohm mech in my face thankyouverymuch

There’s a pic in the thread. It’s much nicer than mine, which is decidedly ugly and half assed looking.
The pic looks like a standard double coil until you count the wraps.

You referring to this? If so I was expecting something else. No discredit to the user who made this, takes a certain skillset to get all those wraps in line as such, but this is nothing more than 3x 30 awg in parallel. Given that 3x 30 awg is effectively the same as 2x 28 awg or even 1x 25 awg, I am willing to bet the performance of the 2 later gauges would be the same if the same number of wraps were used. Surface area, mass and resistance would all be within a very small variance. Don’t understand how this solves any issues associated with a typical coil.

 

[bombastinator]

You referring to this? If so I was expecting something else. No discredit to the user who made this, takes a certain skillset to get all those wraps in line as such, but this is nothing more than 3x 30 awg in parallel. Given that 3x 30 awg is effectively the same as 2x 28 awg or even 1x 25 awg, I am willing to bet the performance of the 2 later gauges would be the same if the same number of wraps were used. Surface area, mass and resistance would all be within a very small variance. Don’t understand how this solves any issues associated with a typical coil.

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Yup. The idea I think is while the metal weight and ohms are the the same the surface area is larger. Someone later in the thread described the method necessary to make them. It involves doing the hot spot checking using a ceremic rod to support the coils. This is why I went spaced on mine. I couldn’t figure out a way to do it without one.

 

[ImThatGuy]

I too was once young...


I'll just stop there...

 

[bombastinator]

I too was once young...


I'll just stop there...

That kitten avatar still kills me. It looks so... happy.

 

[bombastinator]

I think this is the third Mexican standoff in this thread.

Thank you. Now I’m never going to be able to watch one of the greatest scenes in movie history without seein that damn cat. I’m ruined.

 

[bombastinator]

First and foremost, “better” has to be defined. Once that definition is established we can then look whether “better” is subjective or has objective data to back the claim.

I prefer Coke over Pepsi – Subjectively, to me, Coke is better.

With computing a goal could be faster processing, therefore a computer with higher clock rate/more cores is objectively better than one with a lower clock rate and less cores.

. The BSD people proved that one to be not always true by bringing an ancient 33mhz box to a cracking contest. They PWNed it. The thing was so slow no one could run their highly intensive algorithms on it fast enough to get anywhere. One contestant actually got up in anger at the end and inserted a floppy (thus disqualifying himself) he still failed.

With vaping, there is much that cannot be objectively measured therefore we run with subjective thought. And as much as I agree that subjective thought is nothing more than “something different”, as in Coke is different than Pepsi, that difference can sway towards and individuals preference – therefore “better!”

This is true IMHO. It’s a rare opportunity for me to haul out that BSD story though so I took it.

 

[bombastinator]

Find & use the build gives you the flavor that YOU want, and don't worry about all the nonsense.
Who cares if an "8 coil build" gives more flavor than a clapton!
You can search for "something better" until hell freezes over .... but why?!?


example:
An A1 30ga 1.8 ohm single coil produces the flavor that "I" want from the atomizer of "MY" choice (A7 mini) at 8 watts, and I don't care what satisfies someone else.

add:
OH-and that's a 2.2 amp draw on the 20 amp battery in my mechanical mod.

I don’t disagree with that. The issue is people doing it are going to die. That in itself makes it worthwhile, but aside from that, then dying also makes great negative press for BT to use. I didn’t have proof that both things were true though I was saying them anyway like a bunch of other people and even if they had proof I didn’t so I went to go get some. By not proving both points completely I sorta burned myself. Hence the thread title.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

. The BSD people proved that one to be not always true by bringing an ancient 33mhz box to a cracking contest. They PWNed it. The thing was so slow no one could run their highly intensive algorithms on it fast enough to get anywhere. One contestant actually got up in anger at the end and inserted a floppy (thus disqualifying himself) he still failed.

This is true IMHO. It’s a rare opportunity for me to haul out that BSD story though so I took it.

Never heard that story and if there is any fact to it then the contestants just didn’t bring the right tools for the job. Nothing is crack proof regardless of the speed. However, that does not apply to my analogy above where processing speed is a goal therefore a faster processor is objectively “better”.