I'm not really new to vaping, just new to ECF. I started off about 6 months ago because I wanted to get off of analogs. The transition was somewhat gradual, but I have officially ended my long relationship with analogs....going on 3 months now thanks to vaping!!! I started off with a standard 510 from Volcano and as of now, my primary PV is the Inferno. I'm not a fan of dripping, and the standard carts weren't lasting long enough so I'm now using cartos. Although I've been vaping for 6 months, I'm still a noob when it comes to all of the other types of PVs out there. I still get confused with all the other numbers (like 801, 306, etc.). Can someone please quickly explain to me the differences between all these models? I'd like to buy myself another new toy, and I'm wondering if I need to venture into the other models of PVs.
So many e-cigs to choose from...
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The different numbers usually, but not always, mean different threading on the batteries and atomizers. Since you're using a standard 510 threading you can also use the 306. The atomizer is a different design but the threads are the same. You'd have to buy either 306 cartridges or drip tip to go on it because the top end is a different design. The next logical step in PV's is an eGo or Riva style. They use the same 510 parts as your 510 so you won't have to buy different carto's or atty's. A lot of mods use 510 threading too so that might be a consideration also. When you go to a larger batt you'll get longer run time and better vapor production. That's because they stay at a higher voltage longer. There's a noticeable difference between the 510 and an eGo, there's a drastic difference between a 510 and a big batt mod running LR atty's. You simply get a lot more vapor and throat hit.
Each model has it's proponents. The KR808 is strictly a carto machine, but it does have a bigger batt than the standard 510. Some feel it gives better vapor because it runs at 3.7v vs 3.2 for a 510. From what I've read the 901 gives good flavor. 801's I'm not very familiar with, but there is an HV version out there that runs at 7.4v. The 306 is a mini that doesn't perform well by today's standards, but the atty is good on the larger 510 batt's like the eGo if you like lots of warm vapor. The M40x series are mini's and are falling out of favor due to the short battery life and low vapor production.
That's a kind of basic list but I haven't used most of them so I'm just going by what I've read here on ECF over the last 6 months. I'm sure others will have more to say about the subject.
The different numbers usually, but not always, mean different threading on the batteries and atomizers. Since you're using a standard 510 threading you can also use the 306. The atomizer is a different design but the threads are the same. You'd have to buy either 306 cartridges or drip tip to go on it because the top end is a different design. The next logical step in PV's is an eGo or Riva style. They use the same 510 parts as your 510 so you won't have to buy different carto's or atty's. A lot of mods use 510 threading too so that might be a consideration also. When you go to a larger batt you'll get longer run time and better vapor production. That's because they stay at a higher voltage longer. There's a noticeable difference between the 510 and an eGo, there's a drastic difference between a 510 and a big batt mod running LR atty's. You simply get a lot more vapor and throat hit.
Each model has it's proponents. The KR808 is strictly a carto machine, but it does have a bigger batt than the standard 510. Some feel it gives better vapor because it runs at 3.7v vs 3.2 for a 510. From what I've read the 901 gives good flavor. 801's I'm not very familiar with, but there is an HV version out there that runs at 7.4v. The 306 is a mini that doesn't perform well by today's standards, but the atty is good on the larger 510 batt's like the eGo if you like lots of warm vapor. The M40x series are mini's and are falling out of favor due to the short battery life and low vapor production.
That's a kind of basic list but I haven't used most of them so I'm just going by what I've read here on ECF over the last 6 months. I'm sure others will have more to say about the subject.
Thanks for that cskent. My primary PV (the inferno) is essentially the same as an ego/vgo/titan/riva. I run both the 650mah and 1000mah batteries, and my older 510 batteries are used as backups. Like I mentioned in my original post, I've been using cartos (I believe they're E4 cartos, but I also use the larger mega-cartos that hold about 2cc) with the PTB mod. They've been great with respects to throat hit and vapor production, and it definitely outperforms the standard 510 atty. I guess my goal here is to find out if there is another model out there that can top the TH and vapor that I get from my current setup. I know that the e-juice and base mix have a lot to do with that, but keeping that as a constant (I rarely stray away from my "go-to" 80/20 pg/vg mint mix), is there a better setup that anyone can recommend?
I have a hard time keeping track of all those numbers, and then I get even more thrown off when I read things like "do not use the 306 cisco atty on a 510 but it's ok to use it on the inferno/ego." If I remember correctly, it has something to do with the voltage output. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the tech aspects of this, but until then, I'm happy to take anyone's and everyone's advice/tips/knowledge.
I have a hard time keeping track of all those numbers, and then I get even more thrown off when I read things like "do not use the 306 cisco atty on a 510 but it's ok to use it on the inferno/ego." If I remember correctly, it has something to do with the voltage output. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the tech aspects of this, but until then, I'm happy to take anyone's and everyone's advice/tips/knowledge.
KR808 by far has given the best experience. It's difficult finding one which can properly imitate the true smoking experience.
Thanks for the input. Out of curiosity, how does the KR808 differ from a 510, and what makes you say that it has given you the best experience? If I'm not mistaken, the 510 output is 3.4v; is the KR808 voltage output higher or lower (the funny thing about that question is that I don't even know what a higher/lower voltage output would entail with respect to the vaping experience). Also, from what I just looked up, the KR808s use cartomizers (which I prefer).
To add to the confusion, remember when someone write, don't use this with that, its not necesarily( oh spelling) because the two things don't go together, but just that they specifically don't like the combo..
Like the cartos: Many will say that Boge is better than Kanger, but they havent tried the new, updated Kangers. I have tried both Boge and old and new Kangers, and can say that the new Kangers kick Boges .... bigtime.. But again.. that MY opinion. Haven't tried e2's cus of all the bad rewievs.
To not go insane with all the choices I decided to make a list of what I find important in a PV.
I decided that I was strictly a carto person.. Attys are long gone for me, dripping sucks IMO, so I trolled the forums and web for anything that had cartos. Here there are things that don't go together, like the smoore cartos wont work on a manual Kanger, but is fine on an auto...Tried some 510 cartos but feel they are way behind 808, so again, I made a choice. Cartos, 808's. Then I researched batts, tried a couple. Found out there IS autos that perform, so ok. Cartos, 808's, autos. Then pcc's and so on. I've come up to speed on 808's but have to follow closely as the market changes all the time. Have to say though, I want a cigfeel experience, so that steared me towards kr8 too... I have egos and a riva, so I know what i'm "missing" out on..
If youre looking for something with with a little more kick to it, the kr8 will give you that, cus of the higher voltage, BUT since your allready on 1000 mAh batts, its prob not for you, cus the biggest kr8 batt is only 380mAh.. Low mAh bites... but htey are finding ways to get more into small batts, so thats great.
So maybe you should look in to the mod world?
Like the cartos: Many will say that Boge is better than Kanger, but they havent tried the new, updated Kangers. I have tried both Boge and old and new Kangers, and can say that the new Kangers kick Boges .... bigtime.. But again.. that MY opinion. Haven't tried e2's cus of all the bad rewievs.
To not go insane with all the choices I decided to make a list of what I find important in a PV.
I decided that I was strictly a carto person.. Attys are long gone for me, dripping sucks IMO, so I trolled the forums and web for anything that had cartos. Here there are things that don't go together, like the smoore cartos wont work on a manual Kanger, but is fine on an auto...Tried some 510 cartos but feel they are way behind 808, so again, I made a choice. Cartos, 808's. Then I researched batts, tried a couple. Found out there IS autos that perform, so ok. Cartos, 808's, autos. Then pcc's and so on. I've come up to speed on 808's but have to follow closely as the market changes all the time. Have to say though, I want a cigfeel experience, so that steared me towards kr8 too... I have egos and a riva, so I know what i'm "missing" out on..
If youre looking for something with with a little more kick to it, the kr8 will give you that, cus of the higher voltage, BUT since your allready on 1000 mAh batts, its prob not for you, cus the biggest kr8 batt is only 380mAh.. Low mAh bites... but htey are finding ways to get more into small batts, so thats great.
So maybe you should look in to the mod world?
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The 510 goes at about 3,2 under a load and the kr8 is a true 3,7 volt device. It gives a better TH. One who is used to 3,7, find the 3,2 a bit bland... Also the 808 cartos give a warmer vape, compared to 510 attys... So that ads to the experience aswell..
The reason I mentioned this before was because I remember reading on the Volcano forum that their 306 cisco atty (I don't know what they call it for other manufacturers) cannot be used on their 510 model (the magma) but it can be used on the inferno (their version of the ego). Apparently if you use the cisco (an LR atty), you run the risk of it blowing up in your face. Why? I have no clue. They just say not to.
I can't remember if the cartos I use are E2s or E4s or some other E. Most of the bad reviews I've read are about the burnt taste that you can get from them. I did experience that when I first started using them, but I've worked my way around that by powerflushing the cartos before I use them in order to get all the primer out of the way. Some people have problems with leaks. I do too every now and then, but that's only because I PTB mod all the cartos after powerflushing. If and when I do get a leak, I just refit the cupseal.
I do like the convenience of the higher capacity batts, but if the kr8 will deliver a more powerful vape then maybe it'll be worth a try. I wonder if they have a multiple battery charger for the kr8 batts like what they have for the 510s (I saw a charger that can charge 10 510 batts at a time!)
If you want more kick you may want to consider getting a battery mod capable of higher voltage. I'm a big fan of variable voltage mods but there are lots of other options. Here are a few links that might help.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5-wonderful-world-mods-illustrated-guide.html
Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
Electronic Cigarette Mods | e-Cig Mod Reviews and Comparison
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5-wonderful-world-mods-illustrated-guide.html
Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
Electronic Cigarette Mods | e-Cig Mod Reviews and Comparison
They are all e2's... Revision 1, 2, 3 and 4. So yours should be ce2, rev 4. And all you just wrote is why I don't buy'em.. I will not continuesly support a product that needs modding before you use it. If they're gear doesn't work out of the box, its not good enough. They need a rev5... IMOThere are mods that give higher voltage, like Icoth says, so tjeck out the links..
There are, to my knogledge, no multibatt chargers. We do the pcc thing. Bloog has just come up with one so cool, it look like a freakin Iphone or something...
If your certain your a cartoman, all thats left is to figure out if your a big batt type or a must have ciggie feel type, and go explore either one..
they don't blow up but they do kill the battery quicker both in time between recharges and overall life *the'll do it to an eGo type battery too*
it has to do with the electronics in the stock batteries not really being able to handle the increased amperage the atty wants..
the proponents of the KR8 say it does but I disagree..the eGos and 510s use something called PMW which causes the battery to output 3.2V..but it's purpose is to extend the runtime of the battery... the KR8 doesn't but still experiences voltage sag (this is when the max drain rate of the battery cant keep up with the amp draw of the atty or carto so the battery compensates by dropping in voltage (in other words the KR8 isn't 3.7V under load either)...
honestly your best bet for a more powerful vape... I say a cisco LR 306 (debridged) an a mod running a high drain IMR 14500 (that's the smallest but a mod running a high drain 16340 or any 18650 would work too).... the debridged atty with a drip tip on one of those batteries puts the coil closer to your mouth and delivers way more wattage so it'll be a huge jump in vapor production, warmth, and throat hit (and I mean huge jump)
depending on the resistance of the cartos you're using you're vaping somewhere in the range of 4.5W... where that LR atty on that high drain battery puts out 9.13W
oh as for the multi battery thing... use the 510 multi charger and a KR8 battery to 510 adapters and you can use it as a multi charger for KR8s
eGo's, Riva's and the like run at 3.2v. KR8's go to 3.7v but have small batteries compared to what you've got. I think you'd get tired of constantly charging batteries with one. If you're looking for more vapor and better TH a mod will give you both battery life and higher voltage. The Madvapes Maxi Roughstack runs at 3.7v with huge 3000mah batt's, 6v with a pair of 880mah batts, or even 7.4v if you really want to go that high. Those 3000mah 18650's will last around 2 days on a charge and the Roughstack is a rock solid mechanical mod. It also uses your current 510 carto's or attys. For $50 you can't beat it.
Yes they are exactly that... when NOT under load they measure out to about 4,2 volt . Thats the reason 808 is called a true 3,7 volt device. Because they drop to about 3,7 ..Measured all mine. About 4,2 volt.
. The mixup is because vendors techspecs state the voltage on 808 when it IS under a load and 510 when NOT under a load.... wich is nice of them.. ad to the confusion..
and I'll STILL disagree...
lets take the basic KR8 battery... 280mAh right?.... that'll give us about a .28A max drain rate.... (that's mAh rating in A times the C rating for those following at home)
a 3Ω carto at 3.7V has an amp draw of 1.23A... (voltage divided by resistance)
so if a carto is calling for 1.23A and at maximum the battery can only deliver .28A the only thing that can happen (since the resistance is fixed) is sag in voltage so the max drain rate and amp draw fall in line with each other...
or they have to use some sort of PMW in them as well..
So I was about to place an order for a kr808, but I wanted to clarify a couple of things beforehand. Can I charge the kr808 batteries using my 510 charger? If so, then all I would need to get is the battery and cartos rather than a starter kit. I only ask this because I'm a bit weary of interchanging parts since with my inferno (ego) batts, the 650mah and 1000mah batts require different chargers.
I also found a few carto options for the kr808 that were labeled as follows:
- kr808d-1 blank carto
- kr808d-1 premium blank soft cap carto
- kr808d-1 premium LR blank soft cap carto
What exactly does the "soft cap" mean? The description of the LR carto states that it should be run on a batt that is at least 450mah, but the largest kr808 batt I could find was 380mah. Can the LR carto be run on the XL kr808 batt, and if not which batt should it be run on?
I also found a few carto options for the kr808 that were labeled as follows:
- kr808d-1 blank carto
- kr808d-1 premium blank soft cap carto
- kr808d-1 premium LR blank soft cap carto
What exactly does the "soft cap" mean? The description of the LR carto states that it should be run on a batt that is at least 450mah, but the largest kr808 batt I could find was 380mah. Can the LR carto be run on the XL kr808 batt, and if not which batt should it be run on?
There is a fat battery kr808 from lecig called the pigcig
PigCig D1 Starter Kit
though you should try the cisco 306 atty on your 510 before jumping over to kr808's...its probably cheaper..
PigCig D1 Starter Kit
though you should try the cisco 306 atty on your 510 before jumping over to kr808's...its probably cheaper..
If you're getting the standard KR808 batteries, I do not think I would put a LR atomizer on that; I believe it's more meant for something with a bigger battery. The soft top cartos are the ones you want if you are going to refill with your own juice. I don't know where you're getting them, but at V4L I like their Premium cartos; I assumed that was their own designation rather than an official term. And you will need to get an adapter that runs from the KR808 to the 510 (going from battery to attie/cart or vice versa).
I suspected that the LR carto wouldn't be ideal for the standard kr808 batts. After all the good info that everyone has given I thought I had things pretty much straightened out....until I saw a kit labeled kr808-d2. I guess it's an updated version of the d1, but I guess I found it odd that you needed specific d2 cartos to go along with them.
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