So should we start stockpiling in preparation for the ban?

[Halcyon2501]

I'm sure this belongs in General or somewhere, but I don't have enough posts to use those forums yet.

I've been following the action plans, writing my congressmen, etc., but I haven't the slightest doubt that the FDA will enact it's ban at the end of the month. They have to make sure Big Tobacco doesn't go under so the government can keep getting that tobacco tax money at the cost of a lot of dead people. The amount of fear mongering, misinformation, and outright lies that they've thrown at this to make sure people stay on tobacco and not vaporizers blows my mind. There just doesn't seem to be any way of getting through to the government or the public at large.

So, knowing that the only solution that's managed to break my 20-year tobacco habit will soon be illegal or corrupted to the point of uselessness by a government that cares more about money than people's lives, should I be stockpiling batteries, tanks, and atomizers? I understand it's possible to mix your own juice, how difficult is that?

 

[stream-0-steam]

Cookin up some juice can be as easy or as hard as you want it to be. I finally perfected my process of creating custom juice. Once you learn some basic knowledge about propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, the two main bases used in eliquids you can make any juice you want. Never use oil based liquid flavoring; always use glycerites or alcohol based. Hope this helped

 

[dartmania2002]

Being a new vapor myself, I too am wondering about this stock up theory of yours. I can't imagine with the amount of these devices out there that there wouldn't still be a way albeit probably illegal to obtain these devices, or even make our own. I on the other hand am worried about finding juice as the only thing I can mix is a rum and coke..

 

[SanFranAndy]

Can you provide a source for the ban your referring to? I have only heard positive things about Ecigs, they are even a Dr recommended solution to quit smoking so I can't understand why anyone would want to ban them.

 

[danca90]

Nope. Juice is already categorized as a tobacco product. The worst that can happen is more taxes. As long as tobacco can be purchased, we can buy juice.

 

[spaceballsrules]

I would not worry about it to the extent of stockpiling. The FDA only plans to PROPOSE regulation. It's not like once they propose it that action will be taken right then and there and all vendors will suddenly go offline. Also, what the FDA will be proposing is so ludicrous that most of it will never catch on. The only thing that the FDA will have any power over is regulating the nicotine. Vaporizers have existed long before they were used as ecigs, and apart from the nicotine, all the ingredients in ejuice are readily available to the public. Nor can the FDA allow only tobacco companies to sell ecigs. That would create a monopoly (of sorts), and no legislator or judge would ever let that happen. Also, the idea of shutting down hundreds, if not not a few thousand small businesses, whether online or brick&mortar, would not sit too well with any respectable republican or libertarian. Not that most democrats wouldn't also scoff at the idea as well, but this is one of the tenets the right bases their entire platform on.
Right now, the best action to take would be to contact your local, state, and federal representatives and let them know how you feel. There are a couple of well written form letters in this thread to do just that - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-fda-giving-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html
If you are truly panicked at the moment, grab a bottle of nicotine base and stick it in the back of the fridge or a dark, cool drawer....just in case.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

Can you provide a source for the ban your referring to? I have only heard positive things about Ecigs, they are even a Dr recommended solution to quit smoking so I can't understand why anyone would want to ban them.

Just check the link I provided above for all the info you need.

 

[R. Scott Kennan]

First post here. Hi.

I'm new to vaping, and haven't fully transitioned from analogs yet. Still, I plan to switch over when I run out of cigarettes and I'm glad to hear that it's unlikely to be banned. I'm not really read up on the issue (I'm too busy researching my upgrade kit), though, so I can't say what will really happen.

At the very least, there are some companies like Blu that are big enough for TV ads, so I hope they will have some sway and that politicians will recognize a growth market when they see one.

Anyway, glad to be here.

 

[crxess]

To late, already did.
Enough to get me through the next 10yrs. assuming no loss of power sources.
That should be all I need. by then I'll be lucky to be breathing much less vaping

 

[spaceballsrules]

First post here. Hi.

I'm new to vaping, and haven't fully transitioned from analogs yet. Still, I plan to switch over when I run out of cigarettes and I'm glad to hear that it's unlikely to be banned. I'm not really read up on the issue (I'm too busy researching my upgrade kit), though, so I can't say what will really happen.

At the very least, there are some companies like Blu that are big enough for TV ads, so I hope they will have some sway and that politicians will recognize a growth market when they see one.

Anyway, glad to be here.

Glad you found your way to ECF. I am sure your eyes are already bleeding from all the reading you are doing.

As far as Blu is concerned, they will be the least affected by the FDA regulations, although that is not to say that some of the proposals won't hurt them either. Blu is actually owned by Lorillard, one of the big 3 tobacco companies, and according to the FDA proposal, would be given a greater share of the ecig market. On the flip side, the FDA wants to stop all ecig advertising (print, radio, and TV) so Blu will be adversely affected by that. No one is safe from the madness that is the FDA.

 

[thatwierdguy]

Glad to hear those reassuring words spaceballsrules! If anyone wants to hear about something crazy, check out what happened to us USA located nasal snuff users in 2010(I think). I can maybe find a link to accurate and detailed info. Now in order to get 95-99% of the available products, we almost always have to order them from businesses in the UK. At least doing so seems to be legal, but the shipping cost can be crippling. It's a similar deal with Swedish snus. I only mention this to say that even if some of the possible "stuff" does hit the proverbial "fan", we may still have options- but of course it would be a far from ideal scenario. I'm crossing my fingers after contacting my State's reps.

 

[Halcyon2501]

Can you provide a source for the ban your referring to? I have only heard positive things about Ecigs, they are even a Dr recommended solution to quit smoking so I can't understand why anyone would want to ban them.

Action Alert: Urge Congress to prevent FDA from banning e-cigarettes again and to stop FDA from giving the e-cig industry to Big Tobacco

Basically ever since PVs hit the market, the FDA, CDC, and other elements of the US government (and other governments) have been trying to outlaw their use. They give lots of falsified reasons. For example:

-They've claimed that PVs are more dangerous than regular cigs, or at least contain harmful toxins, which is untrue. Every ingredient in e-liquid (propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, baking flavoring, and nicotine) are all FDA approved for consumption. They base this on improperly executed studies with biased and skewed results, most of which have been proven incorrect, but they continue to cite them and don't tell the public.

-They've claimed that flavorings are there to entice children to try tobacco products, trying to get flavorings removed and thereby nullify the usefulness of PVS. They've also claimed that PVs are a gateway to smoking, which is the opposite of the truth. 99% of PV users are ex-smokers trying to quit, or at least find a better alternative.

The reason they're doing this is because the government makes a lot of money from taxing tobacco, so they want to keep Big Tobacco operating. This is the whole reason there are still cigarette companies around after it was exposed how toxic their products are. PVs, if allowed to thrive, will destroy the tobacco industry. The pharmaceutical cartels are threatened by them too, because PVs compete with FDA approved smoking cessation methods, like the patch and nicotine gum. Plus, cancer patients generate tons of business for the medical industry, and die before they can collect social security. Tobacco is money for the government.

To this end, the government has been spreading disinformation through official statements and tons of media channels. The only people who really care enough to find the truth are people who already use PVs and rely on them to keep their tobacco addiction at bay (like myself), and I don't think we're going to be enough. In the end, the government will ban them entirely, or at least give control of the PV industry to Big Tobacco by classifying them as tobacco products (which they are NOT), and BT will destroy the industry by putting out low quality cig-a-likes that can't provide as much satisfaction as a cigarette, forcing everyone to go back to cancer sticks.

 

[Uma]

Not good at explaining atm.

 

[Halcyon2501]

Guess my above reply was a little late. Thanks for chiming in Spaceballsrules, I sure hope you're right.

...and may the Schwartz be with you.

 

[R. Scott Kennan]

Glad you found your way to ECF. I am sure your eyes are already bleeding from all the reading you are doing.

As far as Blu is concerned, they will be the least affected by the FDA regulations, although that is not to say that some of the proposals won't hurt them either. Blu is actually owned by Lorillard, one of the big 3 tobacco companies, and according to the FDA proposal, would be given a greater share of the ecig market. On the flip side, the FDA wants to stop all ecig advertising (print, radio, and TV) so Blu will be adversely affected by that. No one is safe from the madness that is the FDA.

Thanks for the reply and the information. I can't wait until I move over to e-cigarettes exclusively and am able to get a ticker like yours.

 

[CMJ69]

I will definitely be contacting my state representatives to give my input on this issue. Has anyone found a change.org petition for this?

 

[Blkwdw86]

When (not if) the feral government steps in to ruin everyone's good time for no good reason, as they do, they'll focus on one thing, the only thing they have any authority over and reasonable ability to enforce: nicotine.

As a Second Amendment advocate, I can personally attest that the mere mention of regulation drives panic buying. If you don't already have your stock of nicotine laid out, good luck to you trying in the fourth quarter. Nicotine suppliers won't be able to make it fast enough to keep up with everyone having the same idea to lay out a few years' worth at the same time.

We know they're going to, it's an inevitability, might as well beat the rush, I say.

They won't bother with the devices. Really, how can they? Anyone can make an e-cig out of a flashlight. The design of your average e-cig is so simple, anyone with even the most rudimentary knowledge, minimal tooling, and basic materials can make an acceptable personal vaporizer to turn e-liquid into vapor. Realistically, they couldn't enforce it, and certainly wouldn't be able to regulate or tax it.

They won't mess with the e-liquid components either. PG is used as a livestock treatment, an antifreeze, a medical nebulizer, on and on. VG has a million uses as well. The ripple effect of laying down regulations on these materials just to keep vapers down would resonate through the economy in unimaginable ways, they wouldn't dare. The same with flavorings, besides once again, being impossible to enforce.

The key is nicotine. The production of nicotine is conducted by a small concentration of producers, easy to corral and keep tabs on. Nicotine is classified as a drug, so they have the authority. And what better way to replenish the tax revenues lost from tobacco as the exodus from smoking continues and gains steam?

There are only two things the government is interested in, these two things MUST be present in any legislation or regulation or they're not interested: more money, more power, or both, for government. That's their only concern, and if they see an ability to gain more of either, there's no force in this universe that can dissuade them.

 

[madqatter]

should I be stockpiling batteries, tanks, and atomizers?

Think about this reasonably. It would be nearly impossible to successfully ban any of these things. The batteries exist and are sold for other purposes. To put it in pharmaceutical terms, vaping is an "off label" use of batteries. Mods can be and often are made by individuals-- that's where the term "mod" came from. Many tanks & attys, similarly, are made of things that can be gotten for other purposes, such as o-rings and wire. I could easily rebuild my own atty heads for quite some time using equipment I've already got and materials available for other purposes. It'd really be useless to ban them. But there's not even much reason to, because people can and do vape 0 nic.

Honestly, the only thing I can imagine being more strictly regulated is nicotine, and it cannot be banned outright because it appears naturally in popular foods such as tomatoes and potatoes....

 

[madqatter]

They won't bother with the devices. Really, how can they? Anyone can make an e-cig out of a flashlight. The design of your average e-cig is so simple, anyone with even the most rudimentary knowledge, minimal tooling, and basic materials can make an acceptable personal vaporizer to turn e-liquid into vapor. Realistically, they couldn't enforce it, and certainly wouldn't be able to regulate or tax it.

They won't mess with the e-liquid components either. PG is used as a livestock treatment, an antifreeze, a medical nebulizer, on and on. VG has a million uses as well. The ripple effect of laying down regulations on these materials just to keep vapers down would resonate through the economy in unimaginable ways, they wouldn't dare. The same with flavorings, besides once again, being impossible to enforce.

This is what I'm talking about. I'm really not freaking out. Am I advocating? Yes. Am I contacting representatives? Sure. But am I panicking? Nope.

 

[Halcyon2501]

the feral government

Freudian slip?

I hope you guys are right that they won't ban hardware, because that seems to be exactly what this legislation is trying to do. Guess I'll just stock up on juice.

 

[danca90]

It also seems that no one can ban 0 nic, or nic concentrate.