So I work at a gas stationa and our R.J. Reynolds vendor came in and saw me vaping and he told me that they are doing a ton of research about it and plan to come out with an e cig soon with e liquid. He said they don't plan to name it Camel or anything so I'm curious about what are your thoughts about it. Personally I don't like supporting this big tobacco comany and would much rather support these small vapor companies.
So this is interesting
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OP there are quite a few threads in the forum on this subject. It has been an interesting topic to say the least. Search ECF (RJ Reynolds) and there you will find quite a bit of information from some of the members "in the know".
Just for the record, I feel I have given enough $ money to the man and now they want to compete because of the $ they are losing because of members like us. They havent done ..... for healthcare, education, awareness etc.
They see it as a compition. Please support your local vendors, "vaping family" and support the vaping economy as there are quite a few small companies that do care and have put their heart and soul into surviving and producing quality products.
GL OP!
Just for the record, I feel I have given enough $ money to the man and now they want to compete because of the $ they are losing because of members like us. They havent done ..... for healthcare, education, awareness etc.
They see it as a compition. Please support your local vendors, "vaping family" and support the vaping economy as there are quite a few small companies that do care and have put their heart and soul into surviving and producing quality products.
GL OP!
1. It will probably look like a cigarette because their marketing team will tell them that is what people want. Actually, if you ask smokers they will say they want something like a cigarette because they simply don't know any better. Vapers learn quickly that size/shape is irreverent and that it is the vapor, nic level, and taste that counts.
2. Because it is so small it most likely will end up being a 510 knock-off.
3. Because they think making money is everything it will have cartridges you can only buy from them.
In other words, it will look and act like every crappy e-cig you find at mall kiosks. You can count me out.
2. Because it is so small it most likely will end up being a 510 knock-off.
3. Because they think making money is everything it will have cartridges you can only buy from them.
In other words, it will look and act like every crappy e-cig you find at mall kiosks. You can count me out.
Big tobacco companies know that vaping is another way of making them money...I don't trust them at all
Have a friend who grew up in Kuwait. Philip Morris used to hand out free cartons of Marlboro's until they got the Middle-East addicted to their s__t.
They'd probably give free e-cigs in exchange for a yearly juice subscription.
I despise corporatism. It ruins everything it touches. It creates unemployment, breeds corruption, and then over-produces truck-loads of CRAP.
They'd probably give free e-cigs in exchange for a yearly juice subscription.
I despise corporatism. It ruins everything it touches. It creates unemployment, breeds corruption, and then over-produces truck-loads of CRAP.
I think everyone needs to decide for themselves if they will support BT when they get into the ecig game. I personally think its a natural progression for their business. That being said, I wont buy any products from them, as others have said they have gotten enough of my money.
They would have to start producing e cigs soon to stay in business. This is getting huge. If you can't beat em join em. I personally would not buy something if a tobacco company is behind it though.
It's good if they're doing research, they have the money to spend on it. I see it as a good thing, and no, I won't buy an inferior product.
I think you are correct in your assumptions. I'll bet my bottom dollar it will be some proprietary cartridge.
The problem is they won't just start making and selling e cigs. They will start lobbying congress, funding awareness campaigns, etc, to stamp out the small businesses. Give them a few years and you will need a million dollar laboratory to make e juice.
Current smokers are already supporting BT, let them do it with ecigs instead of combustibles. We who know how to get a GOOD vape will stick with our vendors anyway.
I'm scared of their effect on regulation, but I'm scared of what regulation would do without them too.
I suppose having vaping grow and grow w/o BT might have created a groundswell against over-regulation eventually, so yes it is scary if they lobby for their stuff to be all that is allowed. I have a (small) hope that they will recognize that current vapers are their friends, and not try to stamp out what is probably too little competition to hurt them anyway. IMO we are like pipe smokers compared to cigarette smokers -- connoisseurs who don't hurt the big market.
I'm scared of their effect on regulation, but I'm scared of what regulation would do without them too.
I suppose having vaping grow and grow w/o BT might have created a groundswell against over-regulation eventually, so yes it is scary if they lobby for their stuff to be all that is allowed. I have a (small) hope that they will recognize that current vapers are their friends, and not try to stamp out what is probably too little competition to hurt them anyway. IMO we are like pipe smokers compared to cigarette smokers -- connoisseurs who don't hurt the big market.
Yes, there is, it's called "We Are Vapers" search for it on ecf, and probably CASAA.org also. CASAA is consulting on the project (not running it.) I think one can also donate to the project, but no idea how or where.
"Closed system" type devices.
Flavor mimicking cigarettes.
Some secret ingredient that will make it taste good and get you addicted.
Forcing others out of business.
Epic $$$ battle between them and big pharma on FDA "decision".
... or maybe not.
Flavor mimicking cigarettes.
Some secret ingredient that will make it taste good and get you addicted.
Forcing others out of business.
Epic $$$ battle between them and big pharma on FDA "decision".
... or maybe not.
Can we say "printer ink cartridge" ? A lot of companies give away printers for free for that very reason.
Forgive my ignorance but... I just can't picture how Big Tobacco is going to be able to stomp the little guys. You can make your own ecigs(mods) same goes for juice. They can probably flood the market and have huge marketing campaigns to get the everyday joe smoker, but I believe there will still be a market for those that want to delve deeper into vaping.
I hope you're right - but I can't help but feel like they will say to themselves . .hey, these folks are addicted to nicotine and if our products are the only ones on the market they will buy them.
First they will start a campaign about how dangerous "unregulated" e juice factories are and how there could be anything in your juice. Then they will start adding dangerous chemicals to thier own juice to make them more addictive/appealing - of course getting (paying for) approval based on studies (that they pay for) that say these "enhancements" are safe.
I can't help it - I just consider BT an "evil" entity. Maybe they're not and I'll be surprised . .but any industry that would intentionally harm thier customers for years and years has got to be evil . .and can not be trusted.
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