So vaping may hurt you...

[Stephuhnator]

In my personal experience, I can breathe better now. I had chest congestion from November 2012 till March 2013, 5 frickin' months of misery not to mention all the times I've had bronchitis over my 28 years of analog smoking, even had pneumonia a couple of times!! I had to use my ventolin inhaler every day, sometimes 4 times a day. I started vaping and reducing number of analogs on March the 10th. I haven't had to use my inhaler since around the end of March. Coincidence? I think not, but time will tell.

I woke up on Monday, April the 15th 2013 and didn't even think about a cig for over an hour, a major miracle in my life, yay!! So my last cigarette was last Sunday night before bed and I owe it all to vaping and the support I get here.

I can feel my lungs healing, I had to cough up a bunch of nasty stuff, but that was a good sign. My doctor noticed improvement in my lung function on April the 10th '13, and I was vaping and down to 5 analogs per day. My doctor hugged me for what I had done and approved my Personal Nicotine Vaporizer/e-cig usage.

So yah, I know my story is not a scientific study, but I've read so many similar ecig success stories. So I'm hoping the TRUTHFUL and thorough scientific research will back up what we are seeing and experiencing in our lives so we can be free to Vape On! We need this vaping freedom to keep saving our lives and the lives of those that are still suffering I am feeling. Yeah, I'm a n00b, but I"m a very hopeful n00b lol

I've had more energy to do the things I've had to put off already, but I know I'm preaching to the choir right now, no??

 

[440BB]

My vaping journey has included a dramatic improvement in my blood oxygen levels within three months, reduced illness and much more physical stamina. The majority of former smokers I know who vape have had similar results. Although I'm sure vaping is not as healthy as breathing fresh air, there is no doubt in my mind that it is much closer to fresh air than smoke.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Lie:

“We do not yet know whether unapproved nicotine delivery products, such as e-cigarettes, are safer than normal cigarettes, despite marketing claims that they are less harmful.”

They are not marketed this way. It is illegal for them to do so in the US. Why would they lie about it?

And now the punch line:
The study included 8 people who had never smoked and 24 smokers, 11 with normal lung function and 13 people with either chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma.

C’mon man, a study where there are 32 subjects? You really expect me to take that seriously? There is no control group, no blind group, this is something a group of middle school students might come up with. No link in the article to the study, nor data.

This is not even journalism. Actually, its disgusting and disgraceful what this "writer" did here. No wonder i have never heard of his publication.

 

[440BB]

Or when you're power-squeezing on the toilet.

We need a study on power-squeezing! I'm concerned about the effects of vaping during mid-squeeze.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Second hit on Google reveals this....

Where did the story come from?

The study was carried out by researchers from the University of Athens in Greece. Sources of funding were not reported.

This story is based on a press release and conference abstract (a short summary of the findings) from the European Respiratory Society’s Annual Congress in Vienna in September 2012 presenting the initial findings of a study on e-cigarettes.

The study has not yet been published in a journal, and therefore has not been subjected to the peer-review process so findings reported should be treated with some caution.

They are kinder than I have been with this 'work'.

 

[look30]

Second hit on Google reveals this....

Sources of funding were not reported.

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In my opinion :

The vaping to day is completely uncontrolled , you will never know what exactly is in the juice you vape and put trust on the sellers that they actually mix the stuff correctly and don't add any hazardous materials , not saying here that they do.

The hardware is still very rudimentary and awkward so imagine if the government would consider looking into this activity and instead of bashing it and just dismiss it would regulate it and do some real study we would have a safe environment , better and cheaper hardware
and the vaping will become more mainstream eating into big tobacco revenue BIG TIME.

So until this would happen interested parties will push their agenda , Big Tobacco sees this as a HUMONGOUS threat , honestly 4 days into vaping I quit analogs all together , I feel better and happier . I do have some issues , vapers tongue and sometimes headaches but this could be the effect of quitting analogues and or over-vaping because I do not feel guilt when I do it .... or simply the juice has more nic that what it says on the bottle.

All in all I started vaping with 12mg now I do between 9-6 depending on my mixes , I like to mix menthol 0 mg in some juices , and headaches are no longer present . I think I did pretty good coming from 20 analogues a day.

 

[dherrington]

I used my university library to research the effects of vaping and for the most part found one of two kinds of articles. The first kind were positive. One physicians article predicted that vaping may save as many as 8 million lives worldwide by 2020. The other kind was honest: they are so new we just don't know yet. That makes sense to me. In any case, the negative articles have been based almost exclusively on one 5 minute study in Italy with only 30 test subjects. Vaping may not be the miracle I think it is sometimes but given a choice between pumping 4000 chemicals into my system v. 1, I will take the latter every time.

 

[CES]

there's a fairly long discussion on this question here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...inds-e-cigarettes-affect-airways-quickly.html

But, my understanding is that the study found a transient increase in airway resistance, an effect that is not directly indicative of harm.


There is a fair amount of research, and new studies coming out regularly. Check the ECF library, or the CASAA webpage. What we do know supports the conclusions that e-cigs are at least an order of magnitude safer than combustible cigs.

 

[Robino1]

Hmm panic attacks can restrict airways too.

Seriously the person writing the article has their own agenda. They want to sell their "news". Who are the biggest payers for negative news on ecigs? ANTZ. If it was a serious reporter, are there really any of those anymore?, they would dig to find both sides AND reputable sources to back up those claims. Serious studies need to have more than 32 people. Hell, even 100 would be better than that measly amount.

 

[John Alexander]

I was having pains in my chest when I smoked. It was always sore. Now it's not. Ever. Even if there are some downsides to e-cigs, I feel so much better now.

 

[Ryedan]

Hey guys,

As I recently had many discussions whether or not vaping is harmful for you I decided to check it on my own and suprisingly this is what I found:
E-cigarettes can damage your lungs: study - The Hindu - The Hindu: Mobile Edition

Let me know your opinions on this please

Peace!

This article is from September last year. I believe it is reporting on a bit of research that was done some time ago and thoroughly debunked as junk science by most knowledgeable people. If I find a link to more info on it I'll post it.

Edit: And CES found reference to it. Have a look at posts #59 & #64.

 

[kristin]

This page talks about the study in the article: E-cigarettes 'may damage lungs' - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health

Points to note:

1) Each participant smoked a single e-cigarette for 10 minutes and had their airway resistance measured using a number of different respiratory tests before and immediately afterward.

But not 15 minutes afterward or 20 minutes afterward. This is akin to claiming Coco Puffs cause diabetes because for 10 minutes after eating it the subjects' had elevated blood sugar levels.

2) "participants who were smokers with existing lung conditions (COPD or asthma), appeared to have no immediate effects on their airway resistance"

So, if you were healthy, there was increased airway resistance, but if you had COPD or asthma, there was no change. Hmmm...

Also, the subjects hadn't used e-cigarettes before, so their lungs were unaccustomed to vapor. Remember what happened the first time you use an e-cig or for that matter, smoked a cigarette?

3) "Professor Gratziou who is also Chairman of the European Respiratory Society (ERS) Tobacco Control Committee"

Translation: The main researcher of this study is an ANTZ.

Read this about Ms. Gratziou from Dr. Carl Phillips, an actual epidemiologist: Christina Gratziou is a liar | Anti-THR Lies and related topics


4) "the fact that the study included only 32 participants, all of whom were given a single e-cigarette in order to examine the effects upon lung function, suggests that this was the earliest stage of clinical research – a phase 1 trial. To draw further conclusions, larger studies will be required that include a large number of healthy participants as well as those with a range of lung conditions other than COPD and asthma. Also, according to the press release, each person’s respiratory function was only measured at two time intervals - before and immediately after the e-cigarette was used. Further studies would need to include longer follow-up and examine the effects of more than one e-cigarette in order to make any firm conclusions."

Pretty much speaks for itself, but follow up by reading Dr. Phillips' commentary on the "science" of this study: Gratziou ERS press release – where is the science? | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

Some good points from his analysis:

Moreover, the subjects were exclusively people who were not used to vaping, and were given the exposure under contrived and medicalized (and thus disconcerting) circumstances. Would an experienced vaper get the same effect? There is reason to believe not, since vapers quite often report that they had some airway irritation (which would cause the observed effect) when they first started vaping, but it seemed to disappear. This would have been useful to report, though it is not clear whether Gratziou failed to report it because she was hiding it or because her knowledge is so limited that she does not even know it.

In this case, it sounds like multiple lab tests were run, but only one of them was reported. The mathematical analysis of the results of such cheating is complicated and usually oversimplified, but with only intuitive math it should be easy to see that any method that creates a scattering of results and reports only the “best” one will bias the results in the direction of the dishonest author’s political preferences.

As far as I know, the actual study still hasn't been published, so this is all conjecture. The researcher, as Dr. Phillips explains, could be completely misrepresenting the results of a very small study with inexperienced subjects

 

[Mac]

Thank you, Kristin.

/thread

 

[BostLabs]

Of those links the OP provided this was the only 'study' I could find in them. (Note I did not follow all links).

https://www.ersnetsecure.org/public/prg_congres.abstract?ww_i_presentation=59718

It is very short. In fact: This is the whole thing.

P1053
LATE-BREAKING ABSTRACT: Acute effect of e-cigarette on pulmonary function in healthy subjects and smokers
S. A. Gennimata, A. Palamidas, G. Kaltsakas, S. Tsikrika, S. Vakali, C. Gratziou, N. Koulouris (Athens, Greece)


Electronic-cigarette is marketed as potentially safer tobacco exposure product, but there are not enough data concerning its impact on the respiratory system. Therefore, we set out to investigate the acute effects of an e-cigarette on respiratory functions in healthy subjects and in smokers with and without chronic airway obstruction (COPD and asthma).
We studied 32 consecutive subjects (16 men), 8 were never smokers and 24 were smokers (11 with normal spirometry, and 13 patients with COPD and asthma). Spirometry, static lung volumes, airway resistance (Raw), airway conductance (sGaw) and a single breath nitrogen test (the slope of phase III; ΔN2/L), were measured before and after the use of an e-cigarette smoked for 10 minutes.
Immediately after smoking an e-cigarette for 10 minutes there was: a) a statistically significant increase in Raw %pred (from 223±80 to 246±86, p=0.008), b) a statistically significant decrease in sGaw %pred (from 46±20 to 41±17, p=0.005), and c) a statistically significant increase in ΔΝ2/L %pred (from 146±100 to 164±121, p=0.002).
Ten minutes smoking of e-cigarette causes a significant increase in airway resistance and in the slope of phase III, and a decrease in airway conductance in our group. These data show that there is an immediate effect of a single e-cigarette smoking. Further studies are needed to establish the immediate and long-term effects of an e-cigarette smoking.

ummmm.... yeah.... cough-HOGWASH-cough.

 

[llamainmypocket]

Illogical. There is no connection between an increase in airway resistance and damage to the lungs. It is the same kind of logic that leads to knee high socks with shorts causing chaffed thighs... Exactly how would that occur?

What they are saying is that the exact same thing that causes a non smoker to cough when inhaling vapor is a source of damage to the lungs. Nobody here had that conclusion when seeing a non smoker cough because it's not logical... Knee high socks with shorts, does it caused chaffed thighs?

 

[Alexi5]

This page talks about the study in the article: E-cigarettes 'may damage lungs' - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health

Points to note:

1) Each participant smoked a single e-cigarette for 10 minutes and had their airway resistance measured using a number of different respiratory tests before and immediately afterward.

But not 15 minutes afterward or 20 minutes afterward. This is akin to claiming Coco Puffs cause diabetes because for 10 minutes after eating it the subjects' had elevated blood sugar levels.

2) "participants who were smokers with existing lung conditions (COPD or asthma), appeared to have no immediate effects on their airway resistance"

So, if you were healthy, there was increased airway resistance, but if you had COPD or asthma, there was no change. Hmmm...

Also, the subjects hadn't used e-cigarettes before, so their lungs were unaccustomed to vapor. Remember what happened the first time you use an e-cig or for that matter, smoked a cigarette?

3) "Professor Gratziou who is also Chairman of the European Respiratory Society (ERS) Tobacco Control Committee"

Translation: The main researcher of this study is an ANTZ.

Read this about Ms. Gratziou from Dr. Carl Phillips, an actual epidemiologist: Christina Gratziou is a liar | Anti-THR Lies and related topics


4) "the fact that the study included only 32 participants, all of whom were given a single e-cigarette in order to examine the effects upon lung function, suggests that this was the earliest stage of clinical research – a phase 1 trial. To draw further conclusions, larger studies will be required that include a large number of healthy participants as well as those with a range of lung conditions other than COPD and asthma. Also, according to the press release, each person’s respiratory function was only measured at two time intervals - before and immediately after the e-cigarette was used. Further studies would need to include longer follow-up and examine the effects of more than one e-cigarette in order to make any firm conclusions."

Pretty much speaks for itself, but follow up by reading Dr. Phillips' commentary on the "science" of this study: Gratziou ERS press release – where is the science? | Anti-THR Lies and related topics

Some good points from his analysis:





As far as I know, the actual study still hasn't been published, so this is all conjecture. The researcher, as Dr. Phillips explains, could be completely misrepresenting the results of a very small study with inexperienced subjects

Thanks a lot Kristin and all of you guys that took the time to give us some more info on the subject.
As I told you this was just something I just found on the internet and as there are many people here in Cyprus thinking that this is true I thought it would be a good idea to ask your opinions here.

Thanks a lot

 

[SirSteve]

Any article that has a graphic showing a cartomizer that is equal to a pack of cigarettes is suspect from the start. Then only having 2 dozen people involved with just very short term results being measured is another red flag. The study shows exactly what the people conducting it want it to show, they probably spent a lot of time manipulating the study and results to get it to conform to what they set out to show. When you have decided on the end results, you can control the study and data to point of getting the end results.

 

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[obsidianchao]

Vaping has harmed me.

My wallet is empty.

But in all seriousness, pure PG juice messes my lungs up a little. I know I'm just hacking up mucus and stuff, so it isn't HARMFUL, per se, but it's not pleasant. Luckily it only occurs once in a while.

 

[six]

The "study" was performed by Christina Gratziou - and was funded by Phizer.

Christina Gratziou has been challenged on more than one occasion for producing skewed results - in favor of those funding her "research". Phizer is a big pharma company with several smoking cessation products on the market and a couple of new ones pending FDA approval.

So, I think that's about as much knowledge about her "32 volunteer study including non-smokers, smokers, and asthma or COPD patients" as I need to have. She has repeatedly been outed as a shill for Phizer and her "study" is useless as it is described.