SO - What is going to happen ?

[Uncle]

Given some of the discussions in other threads that have taken over the original posters reason for the discussion and purpose of that thread . . . AND - Although there are other threads already having this type of discussion/discourse that people ignore or pass on (Don't really know their reasons why they refuse to post there where the same discussion is happening) . . . SO - This thread is only being created to hopefully move the ongoing disruptive conversation in other threads and have a specific thread opened for that discussion - instead of having it spread through-out so many other threads - in effect changing the main topic of discussion and why People are there in the first place . . .

This threads main purpose is to discuss and/or further debate - of course following ECF (This is NOT "OUTSIDE") - these personal opinions and commentaries . . .

SO - What is it that you perceive is going to happen - once Deeming Regulations, Federal, State, an even Local laws/restrictions are passed (or already have been passed) . . . AND - Are actually finally enacted . . .

The Government Does Nothing - Only the present Rules & Regulations go into effect, People over 21 will still be able to continue to purchase vape products (maybe with some limitations), Vape in their home/cars/designate areas out in public . . . Will there be current or even more - Grey Market - Black Market . . . Will there be Police Raids (both on commercial venues/private homes) - Products Seized by Customs - Arrest made for "Vaping" in public and or for distribution when sharing with others/passing along equipment/e-liquids, etc. to Family & Friends - Or for "Vaping" while driving . . .​

OKAY - If Ya' got something to say or an opinion or better yet actual FACTS to share - here is the thread to do it . . .

JUST REMEMBER - This thread is NOT "OUTSIDE" and Civility is a MUST for everyone - NO, Matter what your personal views are . . .



Have Fun. . . .

EDIT: BTW - I have absolutely no intentions on participating in this discussion/discourse - nor provide any personal insights/opinions/feelings about this subject - this thread is here to allow everyone else a place to do so and keep it out of other on going threads that have nothing to do with future conjecture/s of their personal perceived opinions of "What Is Going to Happen" . . . Just Sayin' . . .


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[r77r7r]

Who really knows? Nobody expected what happened 8-16, or last Fall. What individual states do and what vape shops do is possibly more important than at the fed level. And since lawmakers and policy makers make absolutely sense-less decisions, how can a person predict anything?
I'm not stocked up and I really don't care about myself, it's future smokers that need to kick their habit that has always been more important to me.

 

[Don29palms]

IN MY OPINION Vaping will be looked at the same as cigarettes. It will still be legal and law enforcement will be limited and a low priority just as it is with cigarettes. It's ridiculous to think that SWAT will be breaking down anyone's door because they have a few litres of 100mg/ml nicotine in their freezer. More than likely deeming regulations will put most vaping companies and businesses out of business. Of course loopholes will be exploited as they always are. At this point nobody can see into the future.

 

[markfm]

All conjecture on my part.

I don't see an instant slamming of the door, though choices, availability, may take a quick hit. Short of having a do-over, effectively deleting PMTA requirements for vaping, this is what I expect:

I expect vaping to remain legal, but likely a significant decrease in available hardware/eliquids.

Vaping to be in designated smoking areas, pretty much like today.

Vaping itself will be legal, no risk to vapers. What changes is the availability of the products.

US- manufactured hw/liquids may pretty much disappear, beyond the few items that get PMTA. OEMs (manufacturers) are low-hanging fruit, and know it (simpler than chasing down vape shops), may close up fast.

Many/most vape shops may go away fairly quickly, "voluntarily". The threat of civil (monetary) penalties is something that small businesses can't afford to have hanging over them.

Overseas purchases may make it through for at least the near term (consistent with limited enforcement staff and priorities), but the AliExpress experience (no longer selling vape products to the US, though other products are okay) may recur for shops like FastTech.

DIY eliquids may be readily doable long-term, due to the majority of flavorings and VG/PG having other, non-vaping consumer, applications. On the other hand, nicotine base could have a huge increase in price, based on bills going through Congress.

Net, the FDA doesn't have to do much, other than allow press that things are going into effect, to have a severe negative impact. Businesses require stability.

 

[bnrkwest]

It will be interesting to see what happens because no one really knows. Because we don't know we just have to do what we feel is best for us to survive thru whatever. I am curious about the CBD vape shops and if it will be business as usual and vape supplies still available. They could even offer zero nic base and flavor shots to add along with CBD. Hard to know what route they will take, but it is a smart business plan to start carrying CBD for current vape shops.

As for personal use vape supplies, I don't see a problem with that since everything was purchased before May 2020.

 

[Rossum]

Enforcement will be aimed at businesses. The FDA's regulations (and the Tobacco Control Act) only apply to tobacco products being marketed, i.e. offered in commerce. It remains perfectly legal to grow, cure, store, and consume all the tobacco you want, provided you don't sell it. I think the same applies to nicotine vaping products.

The real question is: How vigorous will the enforcement at the business level be? Let's face it, MJ is totally illegal (in a criminal, not civil way!) at the federal level, yet the FedGov has decide to ignore the MJ dispensaries that are cropping up like weeds (pun intended) everywhere it's been legalized on the state level. So it's certainly possible that they will not do much about and vape shops that decide to ignore the civil regulations.

PS: I am not the least bit concerned about JBTs breaking down my door to confiscate what's in my freezer.

 

[Don29palms]

It will be interesting to see what happens because no one really knows. Because we don't know we just have to do what we feel is best for us to survive thru whatever. I am curious about the CBD vape shops and if it will be business as usual and vape supplies still available. They could even offer zero nic base and flavor shots to add along with CBD. Hard to know what route they will take, but it is a smart business plan to start carrying CBD for current vape shops.

As for personal use vape supplies, I don't see a problem with that since everything was purchased before May 2020.

When you mention using vape products for CBD could be one of the loopholes that might possibly be exploited.

 

[bnrkwest]

I predict you can still buy Vuse Solo unless FDA rejects it before May 12.
Reynolds American, Inc. Files PMTA for E-Cigarette VUSE

 

[bnrkwest]

It is also possible that reservation vape shops will still carry vape supplies although some reservations have banned vaping.

 

[markfm]

I'd love seeing all HW suddenly called as being for CBD use, business as usual, though the hit on eliquids would probably hose the majority of vapers. I DIY, have for many years, but expect most people to have a significant FUD factor (as they seem to have today).

Also, this scenario I consider the "wink, wink" case, government choosing to ignore what they've declared as the play space. Any change in administration could have the rules instantly enforced, the businesses-require-stability problem.

I'm talking relative to normal commerce, brick and mortar shops, suppliers with Web sites. Too much risk for normal, above-board, shops.

 

[AttyPops]

Everything (sales) ends up turned over to Big-Tobacco and Big-Pharma, since that's where all the lobbying money and regulatory compliance can be had. Rationalized by all the politicians "For our own good".

What else?

The rest of us with be using DIY and stocked-up materials/devices. Doesn't matter who/what/where is running politically long term. Over time, it all ends up there anyway.

 

[Electrodave]

I'm no psychic, so I don't know what will happen. I do know what has happened. Vape shops coast to coast have sold their inventory and thrown in the towel. US manufacturers have almost all shut down their operations as well.

 

[bnrkwest]

I'd love seeing all HW suddenly called as being for CBD use, business as usual, though the hit on eliquids would probably hose the majority of vapers. I DIY, have for many years, but expect most people to have a significant FUD factor (as they seem to have today).

Also, this scenario I consider the "wink, wink" case, government choosing to ignore what they've declared as the play space. Any change in administration could have the rules instantly enforced, the businesses-require-stability problem.

I'm talking relative to normal commerce, brick and mortar shops, suppliers with Web sites. Too much risk for normal, above-board, shops.

I agree vape juice will be hard hit, I wonder if zero nic juice will stay available if marketed for CBD use. Just add CBD to selected flavored base. That could be a work around. Think Jam Monster zero nic and advertising it as add your own CBD mg's. Not sure just thinking out loud LOL.

 

[Rossum]

I predict you can still buy Vuse Solo unless FDA rejects it before May 12.
Reynolds American, Inc. Files PMTA for E-Cigarette VUSE

Yeah, and I'm sure some other BT/BV offerings (including Juul) will file PMTAs prior to the deadline as well.

But somehow I doubt those products are will be an acceptable alternative for most of us. I have no desire to vape their tobacco or menthol flavors, and they're in the process of pulling all the others, not to mention the ongoing costs.

That said, it's good to know that they will be in stores. If I was somehow caught many hours from home with a dead vape and no backup (highly unlikely!), I'd probably buy one of those in a c-store (rather than a pack of cigs) and use it to tide me over until I got home (where I have plenty of backups!).

 

[stols001]

O I think there will be vape shops on reservations. Some of them. I mean, you have NO IDEA how many native tribes hate the government THAT much. TBH though, I could see checkpoints with cops at major exits because that is how much the government hates that there are enough Native Peoples like, able to flaunt their noses at the government and own casinos etc.

It won't be so much about the vaping, it will more be about not wanting native reservations to like, DO that.

So, that is my thought on that one.

Vaping will be around and owned by the big Tobacco companies, They will be allowed to make nicotine from plants and whatever. The vapes won't taste good, at least for a few months until the hubbub dies down and then you may be able to get your beloved Mango Juul pods again.

Free standing actual vape shops gonna have a HELL of a time, in what ever fashion, I do know that.

I personally would not want to sell "vape equipment" for CBD and have it not be that, although to be fair, I'm not sure anyone in the government actually knows the difference at this point, so it may be safe for a while.

If nic is allowed to be sold it will be like, chemical nic only. You KNOW how the FDA likes to take natural plants and turn them into medicines. We will probably find out 20 years from now, it kills you. I am sticking to plant based nic. Until I die, seemingly says my freezer.

I would imagine more packages are going to be opened, and enforcement penalties are going to be harsher. Think fine, huge fine, jail type o thing. They will need to pay for the inspectors. I refuse to get into that unless I know more about it, a lot more but yeah, buying online will be a lot harder.

Those are SOME of my (somewhat) tongue in cheek ideas about what my happen but GOD ONLY KNOWS. This is the government. They do the weirdest stuff.

Anna

 

[bnrkwest]

I predict VaporDNA will be available and offer all vape related hardware for CBD. And because they offer this add your own CBD to to any vape liguid they "could" offer zero nic flavored liquid for adding this White Koi CBD | CBD Vape Juice – VaporDNA
So just maybe zero nic juice will still be around in all the popular flavors??

 

[zoiDman]

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The real question is: How vigorous will the enforcement at the business level be? Let's face it, MJ is totally illegal (in a criminal, not civil way!) at the federal level, yet the FedGov has decide to ignore the MJ dispensaries that are cropping up like weeds (pun intended) everywhere it's been legalized on the state level. So it's certainly possible that they will not do much about and vape shops that decide to ignore the civil regulations.

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Perhaps some Examples of Non-Enforcement would be good.

I mean... Is the FDA going to turn a Blind Eye to someone like MyVapeStore or MyFreedomSmokes and their Network of Distributors? I really Don't see that happening.

What about the Major e-Liquid Manufactures? Are they going to somehow slip thru a Crack. That just doesn't seem Possible.

Or on the other scale, I Don't see the FDA going after that 2,000 square foot B&M in the Strip Mall. But I could see Local Referrals to the FDA and or threats of Yanking Business Incenses.

So my view is that Retail Sales will about grind to a Halt.

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As to Any FUD about people being Busted for having Nicotine in their Freezers for Personal Use? Well, IMO, that is just FUD. And the Normal Pot Stirring seen on Internet Forums.

Forget who "they" are for a second. Under what Authority would "they" have to enter My house? And under what Law would I be Charged with committing a crime?

Sure, if someone is Selling or Providing e-Liquids that contain Nicotine derived from Tobacco to another person outside of their house, they could be Charged with a Crime. Just like they could if they were making Bathtub Gin and selling/providing it. But if all they are doing is using it, a DA/DOJ would have about Ziltch to charge someone with.

 

[Don29palms]

I predict VaporDNA will be available and offer all vape related hardware for CBD. And because they offer this add your own CBD to to any vape liguid they "could" offer zero nic flavored liquid for adding this White Koi CBD | CBD Vape Juice – VaporDNA
So just maybe zero nic juice will still be around in all the popular flavors??

I agree. I'm seeing what happens with nicotine to be the big unanswered question. I really don't care either way at this point. I, like many others, am prepared.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I think the government will turn enforcement over to Child Protective Services. This is about saving children from an epidemic. That agency seems free to act with impunity in conjunction with and the approval of law enforcement as well as the judicial system.

Yours in Nostradamus,
CMD

 

[Rossum]

I think the government will turn enforcement over to Child Protective Services. This is about saving children from an epidemic. That agency seems free to act with impunity in conjunction with and the approval of law enforcement as well as the judicial system.

If that happens, well, I'll thank my lucky stars that my children are full-grown adults, the youngest now being 22 years old.